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[garf]

Xydorn wrote...

cogsandcurls wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

What if Synthesis affected the pipe, too? If it can affect synthetics that don't have a dna to begin with, why not? Speculations.

This is getting into Peter Molydeux territory now.

"What if a child told you to shoot a pipe to save the world? What if instead, you could jump into a beam of light and make the pipe have feelings???"

Bravo. I award you an internetz. Whats even funnier is I read this in Molyneux's voice

Who is Peter Molyneux?

[Delta_V2]

MisterJB wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
I'll take shooting a pipe over getting disintegrated to support a philosophy so abhorently racist that it'd make all of Earth's worst bigots combined vomit in terror.

Shooting the pipe is what supports the StarChild's philosophy since it destroys all synthetic life that could present a threat to organic.

Jumping into the green beam of light opens an universe of unlimited possibilities for all life. Organic and Synthetic.
I consider that worhy of being disintegrated for.

No, Destroy is rejecting the Starchild's philosophy.  If you actually believed that synthetics and organics could never get along, like he claims, you wouldn't touch Destroy, since it doesn't actually solve the problem.  It destroys existing synthetics, but doesn't do anything about the supposed underlying problems.  Destroy only makes sense if you reject his ideas of synthetic-organic conflict, in which case killing existing synthetics is unfortunate collateral damage.

Synthesis is accepting the Starchild's philosophy.  He essentially claims conflict between synthetics and organics is inevitable, and by choosing Synthesis, you are agreeing with him.

[sdfgdsfsdfsfs]

MisterJB wrote...

Jumping into the green beam of light opens an universe of unlimited possibilities for all life. Organic and Synthetic.
I consider that worhy of being disintegrated for.

Aside from the fact that you're forcing this choice on every being in the entire galaxy, destroying their genetic and cultural diversity, and conceding to the racist delusions of the Star Child.

The ending, to me, sounds literally like this: "we can't be different, because we'll kill each other... so let's force homogeneity on everyone!"

*cue "Oceania, Tis for Thee"

Modifié par sdfgdsfsdfsfs, 14 avril 2012 - 09:15 .

[arathor_87]

Manton-X2 wrote...

arathor_87 wrote...
No, as I said earlier. I didn't like the ending, but whining about it 24/7 won't make it better. They are working on the extended cut, but still people are whining. The extended cut is not enough for some people, and still they don't even know it's content. All we know is that it will give us clarification and closure. 

And legitimate customer complaints? Tell it to Bioware employees who have been  harassed and threatened by some people, I know not all people are like that. But I see alot of whining about small things that don't even matter. If you analyze all games like some people do about ME3, there wouldn't be any good games at all. I know ME3 have some flaws, but all games  has flaws.

EDIT: And most of us want? Don't you think there are alot of people out there who likes this game but doesn't bother to come to this forum? People who likes to complain about something they don't like wan't to get response from developers and other people, while others who like the game are playing it instead of being here.

You know, just like Glowboy, you are ignoring reality and you continue to state what is, in fact, something different than what we are seeing around us.  

"No, as I said earlier. I didn't like the ending, but whining about it 24/7 won't make it better." 

But in fact, it has made it better (at least many people hope so).  Do you think for a moment that there would even be an Extended Cut DLC without the constant pressure that was put on Bioware by those "whining" customers?   No, if it was up to the people who sat their taking whatever BW shoved in their pieholes, we'd all have had the announcement about the new in-story, for a fee DLC mission with nothing done to address the garbage of an ending they created.

As I said in an earlier post, people are whining about the extended cut, even though they don't know the content in it. WE WANT A NEW ENDING *CRY*.  I'm aware that many people are disappointed, but what do you think will happen if they change the ending and those who actually liked it starts to complain. 

People who are disappointed are here voting in polls and starting threads about it, but people who actually like it are playing the game or do something else. Why would they come to this warzone?

I didn't like the ending, but at least I can see it from a different point of view. And I'm not speaking for all of us as many others do. Look at posts from people who did like the ending, they get trashed and being called trolls. The problem with some people (not all because I know that many people ain't like this) who didn't like the ending are that they can't accept that some people do.

Modifié par arathor_87, 14 avril 2012 - 09:13 .

[bleachorange]

CerealWar wrote...

arathor_87 wrote...

Whine whine whine. You play a sci-fi game and you complain over the pipes, when you have synthetics with with a lamp in their head. Stop overanalyzing every piece of the game, i feel sorry for you. What do you want? Shepard with a thanix cannon shooting at the pipes?

Are you being sarcastic or are you really suggesting that a synthetic with a lamp as a face is as illogical as activating a machine by damaging it? And why does Shepard have to shoot a pipe with anything?

Pixar has a lamp for it's head. It's hardly an original idea.

[The Angry One]

MisterJB wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
I'll take shooting a pipe over getting disintegrated to support a philosophy so abhorently racist that it'd make all of Earth's worst bigots combined vomit in terror.

Shooting the pipe is what supports the StarChild's philosophy since it destroys all synthetic life that could present a threat to organic.

Jumping into the green beam of light opens an universe of unlimited possibilities for all life. Organic and Synthetic.
I consider that worhy of being disintegrated for.

They all support it's philosophy.
But synthesis is what brings that philosophy to it's ultimate conclusion. Organics and synthetics will never get along. So let's make them all the same. Let's make everybody and everything a Reaper.
It's racist and disgusting.

[The Angry One]

garf wrote...

Xydorn wrote...

cogsandcurls wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

What if Synthesis affected the pipe, too? If it can affect synthetics that don't have a dna to begin with, why not? Speculations.

This is getting into Peter Molydeux territory now.

"What if a child told you to shoot a pipe to save the world? What if instead, you could jump into a beam of light and make the pipe have feelings???"

Bravo. I award you an internetz. Whats even funnier is I read this in Molyneux's voice

Who is Peter Molyneux?

Never played any of the Fable games?
Peter Molyneux became infamous for grossly exagerrating the features of his upcoming games, to the point that he's now a laughing stock and nobody believes a thing he says.

Modifié par The Angry One, 14 avril 2012 - 09:15 .

[Keltikone]

I was just hoping for the pipe to say:

"THIS HURTS ME"

[cogsandcurls]

garf wrote...

Xydorn wrote...

cogsandcurls wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

What if Synthesis affected the pipe, too? If it can affect synthetics that don't have a dna to begin with, why not? Speculations.

This is getting into Peter Molydeux territory now.

"What if a child told you to shoot a pipe to save the world? What if instead, you could jump into a beam of light and make the pipe have feelings???"

Bravo. I award you an internetz. Whats even funnier is I read this in Molyneux's voice

Who is Peter Molyneux?

Peter Molyneux is a highly ambitious, highly enthusiastic game developer who is responsible for a load of amazing games including Black & White and Fable.

Peter Molydeux is an anonymous game dev who runs a pastiche twitter that affectionately takes the mickey of Mr Molyneux's penchant for trying to approach game design from new and unusual angles. Highly reccomended, it's a hilarious account (so funny that indie devs have now made some of his offbeat ideas into actual games! )

[Spectre Impersonator]

The Angry One wrote...

garf wrote...

Xydorn wrote...

cogsandcurls wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

What if Synthesis affected the pipe, too? If it can affect synthetics that don't have a dna to begin with, why not? Speculations.

This is getting into Peter Molydeux territory now.

"What if a child told you to shoot a pipe to save the world? What if instead, you could jump into a beam of light and make the pipe have feelings???"

Bravo. I award you an internetz. Whats even funnier is I read this in Molyneux's voice

Who is Peter Molyneux?

Never played any of the Fable games?
Peter Molyneux became infamous for grossly exagerrating the features of his upcoming games, to the point that he's now a laughing stock and nobody believes a thing he says.

Yep... most known for over-promising and under-delivering. Never thought Casey Hudson and Bioware would join him.

[M Hedonist]

@arathor_87: Please, if you want to do something against those hateful people who just want to bash on the endings for no reason, go to their threads. This is a thread entirely about trying to get a laugh out of the ending.

[Delta_V2]

The Angry One wrote...

They all support it's philosophy.
But synthesis is what brings that philosophy to it's ultimate conclusion. Organics and synthetics will never get along. So let's make them all the same. Let's make everybody and everything a Reaper.
It's racist and disgusting.

Well, Destroy generally rejects it, but you still don't really 'win'.  The psychopath is still in control of his own demise, but you're not outright accepting what he says like in Control and Synthesis.  The problem is the absurd collateral damage you inflict.  The Relays, EDI (maybe? maybe not?), the Geth (at least I thought so, but maybe not?).

[palanora]

ah come on it's just a pipe
or i will make a complaint to the "The save my pipe" association

[garf]

JohnShepard12 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

garf wrote...

Xydorn wrote...

cogsandcurls wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

What if Synthesis affected the pipe, too? If it can affect synthetics that don't have a dna to begin with, why not? Speculations.

This is getting into Peter Molydeux territory now.

"What if a child told you to shoot a pipe to save the world? What if instead, you could jump into a beam of light and make the pipe have feelings???"

Bravo. I award you an internetz. Whats even funnier is I read this in Molyneux's voice

Who is Peter Molyneux?

Never played any of the Fable games?
Peter Molyneux became infamous for grossly exagerrating the features of his upcoming games, to the point that he's now a laughing stock and nobody believes a thing he says.

Yep... most known for over-promising and under-delivering. Never thought Casey Hudson and Bioware would join him.

Ah.. see. I don't pay any attention gamer press. bought fable III off of steam because it trailer/opening credits amused me.  ME 3 I bought sight unseen and actually sought out trailers and other video as I got pumped for it's arrival. I don't know who anyone is (or didn't) never posted here despite being a member since ME 2.

I guess that proves the ending has power given my current post count. ;/. yay.. I 'd rather an ending I enjoyed.

[bleachorange]

Quietness wrote...

sdfgdsfsdfsfs wrote...

JohnShepard12 wrote...

I shot the pipe too. I wanted to shoot something and since my bullets kept flying through the kid's head, it had to be that.

Why would whoever invented the Crucible make three choices that were all activated different ways anyway? Could they not make up their mind as they were building it? And how did all the human, asari, salarian, rachni engineers who put it together not understand what they were building when it was something as pathetically simple as "jump in light to win" or "shoot pipe to win".

It also begs the question: does Shepard have to jump into the beam? Couldn't they have thrown in TIM's corpse or something? How about one of the mangled bodies from inside the Citadel? Why did it have to be Shepard?

TIM is dead. Unless you want to become synthetic zombies, I recommend using a living example of organic/synthetic tissue/machinery

Kid did not say anything about indoctrinated bodies being bad, the big thing i got was that the body had to be part synthetic, im so tossing TiM's A** in there.

[Quietness]

bleachorange wrote...

Quietness wrote...

sdfgdsfsdfsfs wrote...

JohnShepard12 wrote...

I shot the pipe too. I wanted to shoot something and since my bullets kept flying through the kid's head, it had to be that.

Why would whoever invented the Crucible make three choices that were all activated different ways anyway? Could they not make up their mind as they were building it? And how did all the human, asari, salarian, rachni engineers who put it together not understand what they were building when it was something as pathetically simple as "jump in light to win" or "shoot pipe to win".

It also begs the question: does Shepard have to jump into the beam? Couldn't they have thrown in TIM's corpse or something? How about one of the mangled bodies from inside the Citadel? Why did it have to be Shepard?

Kid did not say anything about indoctrinated bodies being bad, the big thing i got was that the body had to be part synthetic, im so tossing TiM's A** in there.

TIM is dead. Unless you want to become synthetic zombies, I recommend using a living example of organic/synthetic tissue/machinery 

Kid doesnt say that the person could not be dead, just needed their essence... whatever that is... 

[MisterJB]

sdfgdsfsdfsfs wrote...
Aside from the fact that you're forcing this choice on every being in the entire galaxy, destroying their genetic and cultural diversity, and conceding to the racist delusions of the Star Child.

That is an assumption with nothing to support it. All life on Earth is based on DNA but is all life the same? No.
And sometimes you just need to drag people, kicking and screaming, into a better future.

You are choosing to look only at the negatives without even trying to look at the positives.
Legion forced Reaper code on all geth. The result was true identity for all geth, the birth of a new race.

The Angry One wrote...
They all support it's philosophy.
But synthesis is what brings that philosophy to it's ultimate conclusion. Organics and synthetics will never get along. So let's make them all the same. Let's make everybody and everything a Reaper.
It's racist and disgusting.

Synthetic life is immortal. It requires only an handfull of resources, it does not require sleep or food.
There is nothing innherently wrong with harnessing those qualities for organic life while, at the same time, sharing our best qualities: empathy, creativity, emotions.

This might even enable the aliens stranded on Sol to survive until they reach they home systems.

[M Hedonist]

Synthesis could mean anything. It's for fanfic writers who want to have cyborgs in ME. Also idealists.

[Zhuinden]

Sauruz wrote...

In a way, that pipe is the final boss of the game. Even though Marauder Shields was more difficult. Slight fall in game difficulty there.

It's a cutscene bossfight, obviously it wasn't hard.

[MisterJB]

Sauruz wrote...

Synthesis could mean anything. It's for fanfic writers who want to have cyborgs in ME. Also idealists.

Well, that's what the Extended Cut is for.

[sdfgdsfsdfsfs]

MisterJB wrote...

sdfgdsfsdfsfs wrote...
Aside from the fact that you're forcing this choice on every being in the entire galaxy, destroying their genetic and cultural diversity, and conceding to the racist delusions of the Star Child.

That is an assumption with nothing to support it. All life on Earth is based on DNA but is all life the same? No.
And sometimes you just need to drag people, kicking and screaming, into a better future.

You are choosing to look only at the negatives without even trying to look at the positives.
Legion forced Reaper code on all geth. The result was true identity for all geth, the birth of a new race.

That's also an assumption with nothing to support it. The starbrat doesn't actually explain the outcome, so we're forced to speculate on what he means. I interpreted the ending as "synthetic/organic conflict is inevitable, therefore, we're going to eliminate the distinction." Since there's very little else to justify the premise, or clarify his intentions, it boils down to him saying that diversity leads to unresolvable conflict.

You can say I interpreted it "wrong," but you're just being as speculative as I am.

Modifié par sdfgdsfsdfsfs, 14 avril 2012 - 09:38 .

[LightweightJustice]

S: Hey Jacob. I have a bad feeling about the end of our journey.
J: Why?
S: You know...we might and up dead and there will be no prize for us.
J: No prize, but the piiipe man, the piiipe.

[sth88]

garf wrote...

Xydorn wrote...

cogsandcurls wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

What if Synthesis affected the pipe, too? If it can affect synthetics that don't have a dna to begin with, why not? Speculations.

This is getting into Peter Molydeux territory now.

"What if a child told you to shoot a pipe to save the world? What if instead, you could jump into a beam of light and make the pipe have feelings???"

Bravo. I award you an internetz. Whats even funnier is I read this in Molyneux's voice

Who is Peter Molyneux?

A guy who dramatically overpromises on his games, but still manages to make games that are decent, and doesn't destroy them with nonsensical, incoherent endings.

[mumwaldee369]

Gterror2 wrote...

I would have cained the **** out of that pipe

This summer one man on a mission to clean the sewers of the Citadel.   John Shepard is "The Plumber"

rated R

[Barbie__Boy]

I think walking into the exploding pipe makes perfect sense
the explosion kills him so when the red blast activates he's already dead
this makes the read beam revive him since you can't kill things that are already dead

duh