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[Star fury]

Richard 060 wrote...

Found the squad selection to be pretty limited, frankly - and that's compared to ME1, let alone ME2.

ME1 - six very different personalities, covering each of the classes, and with you for the bulk of the game.

ME2 - between ten and twelve (depending on DLC), covering not only all the classes, but every major race, power combo, weapons set, etc. Radically diverse personalities, and enough variety in play style for gamers to choose a personalised squad that suited their tastes.

ME3 - seven (eighth being the other VS), of which one is taken out of action for a large chunk of the story, another is a DLC character, another doesn't join you for ages, etc. Also, depending on who lived/died in ME1, you can end up with two soldiers, two biotics and two techs. In addition, a lot of squad conversation has been cut to the level of Kasumi and Zaeed in ME2, so instead of a smaller squad allowing for more time with each of them, there's actually less interaction.

But then again, I do feel that the two main criticisms of ME3 are that 1. there's 'less' of everything in this game (other than guns, natch) - hubs, squadmates, interaction, dialogue options, story arcs, etc., and 2. similarly, so much feels like a developmental 'step down' from the improvements in ME2, or the original innovations of ME1. I'd call it the 'Return of the Jedi' of the trilogy, but at least RotJ was a satisfying, fitting conclusion to that particular series...

This posting sums it all.

[tanisha__unknown]

I am not that fond of EDI, I think it is a bit exaggerated to put her into a human body and let Joker have romance with her. Apart from that, I can't complain. Granted, Javik changed the outlook on the protheans quite a lot, but that did not strike me as odd. It'd probably have been boring, if he had been the superwise and powerfull guy I always imagined protheans to be.
Apart from EDI, yes, I like the squad selection. I never used a lot of the dozen squad mates you had in ME2 and writing as much dialogue for everyone of them as for the ones that are present now would have been difficult.
So yeah, I liked the squad in the game (mostly)

Modifié par Jinx1720, 03 mai 2012 - 04:51 .

[tehturian]

EDI should have stayed as the ship's AI, I wanted to throw her out the airlock when she assumed control of that body.

[wright1978]

Too few squaddies in my opinion. Fact that none of ME2 exclusives were recruitable was very disappointing and meant for an unbalanced the squad. Miranda really should have been on squad considering the centralness of Cerberus in this game. Instead they excluded her virtually entirely from Cerberus arc.

Of the new squadmates i liked Javik. Think he gave the prothean race a new dimension and i liked the fact they weren't the idealised people theyounger races had believed them to me.

Vega was rather dull. Really don't know why he was needed. I didn't hate him but he was superfluous.

EDI. Would have preferred her to stay as ship's AI. So many other character's got sidelined so her and Vega could beshoved onto team.

[DownyTif]

Did not really like the cast. It's not a major dissapointement to me cause I played 99.9% of the missions with Garrus and Liara (the 0.1% missing is Tali instead of Liara).

I definitly missed a Krogan crew member. ME2 had a perfect lineup (maybe a little to many members)

[MakeMineMako]

I didn't have any real problem with the ME3 squad, overall. And I did like Javik, EDI, and James Vega.

But I keep thinking that it would have been great to have an all-new squad. It would have been awesome to get a fresh perspective on the Batarians, Vorcha, Volus, and Raloi, to name some examples. I didn't name the Virtual Aliens, Hanar, or Elcor because I don't know how you could fit them in, with the way the game is set up.


To be honest, other than EDI, the only one of the 'old crew' that had any real reason to be on the Normandy was the Virmire Survivor. Liara's presence could be hand waved away as her using the ultra-advanced Normandy as a mobile base of Broker operations. But like Wrex, Tali and Garrus had moved up to positions of responsibility amongst their people. Why the hell is a Quarian admiral, and the Hierarchy's chief advisor on the Reapers, off playing cowboy with an Alliance N7?

The ME2 gang, for the most part, had other things to do for the war effort behind the scenes. And they proved useful in that regard. Far more useful, story-wise, than off gunfighting with Shepard across the galaxy.


As for the Virmire Survivor, after he/she made Spectre status, it would have made more sense to replace them at that point with another character, since they had bigger fish to fry.

But like I said before, I have no real problem with who we got. Just some thoughts regarding the subject. Others will differ.

[friendlybatarian]

As a Vanuard I like using Liara and Garrus/Kaiden to balance out my skills and firepower.  But the choices are a bit overwhelming.  At the same time the choices in ME2 were a bit overwhelming and I hardly ever used some of them.  In ME2 I was a Sentinel and I used Jacob and Thane against Collectors.  I liked that squad.  It was perfectly balanced.

[Vormaerin]

wright1978 wrote...

Vega was rather dull. Really don't know why he was needed. I didn't hate him but he was superfluous.

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What's your definition of superfluous?   Because, frankly, all the actual squadmates are superfluous.  You can go the entire game without using them at all except in the handful of mandatory spots.

I know its unfashionable to actually have normal people in a game, so that's a strike against Vega.  But he and Garrus are about the only people you can interact with who aren't seriously missing their psychotherapy visits.  And he's very effective on missions.

[Druzgot]

squad selection good, development worse

[MindSweeper14]

I liked everyone- not necessarily as part of the mission team but I liked them as characters. Also a fan of the improved interaction between squadmates.

[Artemis_Entrari]

I think what made it disappointing (for me) was that the squadmates were either old ones from previous games, or boring new ones.  And two of them (Ashley and Tali) you only get for half the game.  So basically for the majority of the game you're down to Liara and Garrus from the old crew, and Jersey Shore and EDI as new squadmates (Javik, if you got the DLC).  EDI was more interesting as an AI on the Normandy, and Vega was just ... shallow.

That's what made ME2's squadmates shine.  First off, the majority of them were new.  And second, they had interesting dialogue and backstories.

[aeonlifestream]

It's too small for me, and not enough variation. I basically used Liara and Garrus for the entire game, same as I did in Mass Effect 1.

Would have preferred more race variation, plus a few characters I was hoping for didn't make the squad cut (Kirrahe, Aria though it wouldn't make much sense, Kal Reegar, Kolyat, etc)

[0x30A88]

Well, Liara and Garrus were most often used in ME1 for me, so I don't complain. Samara, Grunt and Thane would have made it awesome though, and you could always have replacements for those who don't import, like Falere, (Krogan who takes Grunt's place) and Kolyat.

I know Falere is a potential danger, but she's 473 and has been there since before age 42, I doubt she'd do any harm unless Shepard tries anything.

Modifié par Gisle Aune, 04 mai 2012 - 12:17 .

[Majin Paul]

My only complaint is the number, I was expecting more, at least a representative of the races we'd already seen in the teams from the first two games. (I think we missed Salarian, Krogan and Geth)
But from what we had, I liked the characters, especially the times you come across other team members interacting like when Garrus and Vega are comparing war stories, that kind of thing made the ship feel more alive.

[floppypig16]

What's with the hating on javik? He was awesome. Probably my favourite squaddie. I didn't agree with his point of view - not entirely anyway - but I could see where he was coming from. His methods of doing **** were extreme but they were effective.

Garrus is my boy and he had waaay more conversation topics than in ME2, like triple the amount....

Was always "meh" about Tali - my opinion has been the same about her through all three games.

Liara grew on me since the first one. She's ok... nowhere near my favourites but I don't hate her or anything.

James I didn't really care for. The little "dance" you have with him is cool, but other than that he's a pretty boring character in my opinion.

Ashley is just a **** who doesn't trust me... and held a gun up to me to protect Udina! Honestly. Udina! I told that **** that if she don't lower her piece I was gonna bust a cap in her ass... regardless of the fact that I'd given her the d. on previous occasions. That calmed her down

EDI was my least favourite. Just felt really.. forced. Like they knew they needed another squadmate so they threw her in. Would much rather have seen this place go to either an ME2 squaddie, or a minor character from the previous games.

Modifié par floppypig16, 11 mai 2012 - 11:05 .

[wright1978]

Squad selection is too small imo. Should have been at least one or two of ME2 squaddies in to provide more variety.

[villevalo]

aeonlifestream wrote...

It's too small for me, and not enough variation. I basically used Liara and Garrus for the entire game, same as I did in Mass Effect 1.

Would have preferred more race variation, plus a few characters I was hoping for didn't make the squad cut (Kirrahe, Aria though it wouldn't make much sense, Kal Reegar, Kolyat, etc)

I felt the same, it needed that extra one or two chracters to give a bit more variation.

[DaJe]

Star fury wrote...

Richard 060 wrote...

Found the squad selection to be pretty limited, frankly - and that's compared to ME1, let alone ME2.

ME1 - six very different personalities, covering each of the classes, and with you for the bulk of the game.

ME2 - between ten and twelve (depending on DLC), covering not only all the classes, but every major race, power combo, weapons set, etc. Radically diverse personalities, and enough variety in play style for gamers to choose a personalised squad that suited their tastes.

ME3 - seven (eighth being the other VS), of which one is taken out of action for a large chunk of the story, another is a DLC character, another doesn't join you for ages, etc. Also, depending on who lived/died in ME1, you can end up with two soldiers, two biotics and two techs. In addition, a lot of squad conversation has been cut to the level of Kasumi and Zaeed in ME2, so instead of a smaller squad allowing for more time with each of them, there's actually less interaction.

But then again, I do feel that the two main criticisms of ME3 are that 1. there's 'less' of everything in this game (other than guns, natch) - hubs, squadmates, interaction, dialogue options, story arcs, etc., and 2. similarly, so much feels like a developmental 'step down' from the improvements in ME2, or the original innovations of ME1. I'd call it the 'Return of the Jedi' of the trilogy, but at least RotJ was a satisfying, fitting conclusion to that particular series...

This posting sums it all.

I concur, except for the Return of the Jedi bit, because it wasn't really a step down from anything, but rather a fitting evolution and conclusion of that series.

[Girsheliz]

for me ME 3 squad > ME 1 squad > ME 2 squad.
I liked how there was more interactions between characters and how they moved inside Normandy, that's what ME 2 lacked! and I am very happy they fixed this, I prefer fewer but livelier squad. In ME 1 they at least talked in elevators! plus I've never been ME 2 squad fan(not included Garrus and Tali), aside from Mordin, Legion. For me, they managed to introduce a new character in ME 3 which I prefer to any of ME 2 squads, I mean that troll one Javik, I liked him a lot. Would have loved to have Wrex back, but his absence was understandable, same goes fore Mordin and Legion. this is just my opinion.

[KingJason13]

The squad selection is CRAP. They should have allowed you to play with ALL of the characters remaining from the Suicide Mission... instead of adding new characters. Did I really need a James Vega instead of my beloved b*tchy duo of Miranda and Jack!?

Modifié par KingJason13, 11 mai 2012 - 05:36 .

[BatmanPWNS]

Disappointed, there is no sentinel, if Kaidan is dead, there is no Vanguard.

[Feanor_II]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Pretty poor. The people in the squad are great (Minus tin ******) but, without Kaidan, you have no Senintel and there is no Vanguard!

This. In ME1 we had a perfectly balanced squad, now the balance is gone. Excess of engineers, absence of vanguards and having or not a sentinel depends on what happened with Kaidan.

Also BW said that they were reducing the line-up in order to make deeper relationships between Sheppard and the team and also between the squadmates. this was ruined y the autodialogue. In many conversations we don't even enter in dialogue mode.