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[Merchant2006]

Hurricane with SMG + Barrel on my squad is... amazing.

[Lars10178]

Hurricane is the best SMG, every other weapon has competition. Eagle vs Paladin, Valiant vs Javelin/Black Widow/Widow, Crusader vs Geth Shotty

[varteral6162]

did anyone else notice Anderson's M-3 Predator appeared to be firing like the N7 Eagle

[JaegerBane]

Delta_V2 wrote...
Huh. 
When I was using it on the firing range, even while ADS, I swear it had trouble keeping all its shots on target at mid-range.  Unless I'm getting the results confused with a different weapon.  I'll have to try it out again when I get a chance.

The only thing I can think of is that you're not compensating for its upwards pull, which I do by default because of the amount of time I've spent using the Hurricane

So long as you're pulling back on the mouse (or whatever the 360 control is) while firing, you *should* be able to keep your shots more or less on target at medium range.

Lars10178 wrote...

Hurricane is the best SMG, every other weapon has competition. Eagle vs Paladin, Valiant vs Javelin/Black Widow/Widow, Crusader vs Geth Shotty

Uh....

Well, much as I like the Hurricane, the jury is still out on whether its better than the Hornet or not. The Hornet has much longer range in its favour.

Besides, I'd argue the Crusader's weight renders it one of the worst shotgun choices.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 15 avril 2012 - 03:51 .

[varteral6162]

The N7 Crusader is a good squad member shotgun because of if's nearly as effective as the high end snider rifles at medium range and squad members don't have to worry about weapon weight

[Athenau]

The Hornet has slightly higher dps than the Hurricane, in addition to having better accuracy, less recoil, a faster reload, and a larger effective magazine size. So I'm not quite sure why anyone would choose the Hurricane over the Hornet, unless they don't like burst fire weapons.

Modifié par Athenau, 15 avril 2012 - 04:19 .

[Aimi]

I wouldn't use the Hurricane in SP, but I have EDI and Liara use it basically every time.

Crusader is fun from time to time, but I mostly just give it to Tali.

Never found a particularly good reason to use the Eagle, though.

[JaegerBane]

Athenau wrote...

The Hornet has slightly higher dps than the Hurricane, in addition to having better accuracy, less recoil, a faster reload, and a larger effective magazine size. So I'm not quite sure why anyone would choose the Hurricane over the Hornet, unless they don't like burst fire weapons.

I'm surprised to find both the DPS and the effective magazine size are apparently better on the hornet. IIRC it only had a ~24 round clip as standard and fires in three round bursts, both of which would ordinarily point to it having a less effective clip capacity.

As for DPS, I've found its performance at short range begins to lag due to a combination of its lesser clip and slight refire delay. I'm intrigued to see how its managed to compensate for that to achieve a better DPS.

[Athenau]

The Hurricane consumes two ammo per shot, so the effective magazine size is 20 to the Hornet's 24. The Hornet has a slight refire delay, but that's compensated for by the extremely high ROF for a burst (1000 RPM to the Hurricane's 600). All said and done the Hornet has an effective ROF (discounting reloads) of ~11.1 rounds per second to the Hurricane's 10.

[Doofe2012]

The only SMG I give to my squadmates is the N7 Hurricane. Sometimes I'll use it playing as a Vanguard since I can Charge to get in point-blank and hip-fire the thing like a minigun.

The Valkyrie is amazing until I pick up the Saber or Falcon. After that, I mostly don't bother with it, though.

[JaegerBane]

Athenau wrote...

The Hurricane consumes two ammo per shot, so the effective magazine size is 20 to the Hornet's 24. The Hornet has a slight refire delay, but that's compensated for by the extremely high ROF for a burst (1000 RPM to the Hurricane's 600). All said and done the Hornet has an effective ROF (discounting reloads) of ~11.1 rounds per second to the Hurricane's 10.

Interesting. I didn't think the RoF per burst really made that much of a difference considering its capped to 3 rounds apiece, not to mention the cumulitive result of refire delays considering its up against 0 refire delay at short range.

600 RPM sounds a little low for the Hurricane, to be brutally honest - IIRC this would give it a slower rate of fire of the ME2 Shuriken and only slightly faster than the Locust, which doesn't really make sense. It makes me wonder if this is one of those things where other stuff is affecting the stats, like when the ME2 Geth Plasma Shotgun supposedly had a 200+ rpm despite the fact that it was patently not the case.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 15 avril 2012 - 05:59 .

[Athenau]

Well if you judge the ROF by looking at ammo counter it'll seem twice as fast as the actual value. But maybe there's something odd going on. I can hack it into SP and see how it performs.

[JaegerBane]

Athenau wrote...

Well if you judge the ROF by looking at ammo counter it'll seem twice as fast as the actual value. But maybe there's something odd going on. I can hack it into SP and see how it performs.

I get that, but I was judging the rate of fire purely by how fast the rounds were impacting targets. It's hardly a truly objective way of measuring it, I admit, but I've easily played enough ME2 to recognise what 700, 900, 850 rpm etc look like, and 600 rpm would make it one of the slowest firing fully-auto weapons in the ME series, with only the Locust and Collector Assault Rifle from ME2 being slower. Lets be honest, does that sound realistic?

I'm wondering whether there's a possibility that the Hurricane is actually firing two shots at the same time, in keeping with burning 2 rounds per shot from the clip? And that the basic fire rate is 600 x2, perhaps? I don't know, I'm speculating... it just doesn't sound right that its merely 600 rpm. Judging from its damage rate and animation I would have assumed that it was, at the very least, 900 rpm (the speed during bursts of the ME2 Vindicator). Its fire rate seems to be similar to the ME2 Tempest (925 rpm).

Modifié par JaegerBane, 15 avril 2012 - 06:44 .

[Rudy Lis]

Eagle.
Use until I got something better, which is Phalanx/Paladin/Carnifex. Tend to like Paladin.

Crusader.
Use it until got GPS, generally.

Hurricane.
Good for team-mates, personally prefer other models.

Valkyrie.
Don't get idea itself. Not because it is heavy (I played as soldier with total -200% of recharge rate), but because burst is a way too innacurate, so it loses whole meaning of it existance for me.

Valiant.
Use most of the time.

JaegerBane wrote...
And that the basic fire rate is 600 x2, perhaps?

You could be right, if it was done for "saving memory", Hurricane RoF looks like it has 1200 RPM - it depletes mag in 3 sec.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 15 avril 2012 - 06:51 .

[JaegerBane]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Eagle.
Use until I got something better, which is Phalanx/Paladin/Carnifex. Tend to like Paladin.

I know what you mean - the Paladin's stopping power has to be seen to be believed...

Rudy Lis wrote...
You could be right, if it was done for "saving memory", Hurricane RoF looks like it has 1200 RPM - it depletes mag in 3 sec.

Yeah... I dunno, 600 rpm just doesn't tally with its performance. Like I said, it reminds me of that whole thing where the GPS somehow had a stat of 200 rpm despite it being clearly incapable of such a fire rate.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 15 avril 2012 - 06:55 .

[Arcadian Legend]

If you can deal with the recoil, the Hurricane is great.

[Ruthac_Arus]

Used the Hurricane for squaddies, as well as Shepard as a (very rarely used) backup for the Widow. Don't really have a problem with its recoil, as I don't go full-auto with any weapon unless something's right up in my face.

Haven't tried the other N7 weapons. *shrug*

[Whitestrake]

I use the Crusade all the darn time. On my Infiltrator especially. I can cloak, & assassinate people with it, & since it fires slugs you can be a total Shotgun Surgeon at long range.
Also yea, like everyone says the Valiant is freaking amazing.

[Delta_V2]

Ruthac_Arus wrote...

Used the Hurricane for squaddies, as well as Shepard as a (very rarely used) backup for the Widow. Don't really have a problem with its recoil, as I don't go full-auto with any weapon unless something's right up in my face.

Same thing for me, except I prefer the Black Widow.  The Hurrican melts faces at close range, and if you're at a range where the muzzle climb is an issue, why aren't you using your sniper?

[SwiftRevenant]

N7 Hurricane on squad mates and as a backup (for my infiltrator for example) is amazing. The recoil is not bad provided you do not zoom in. Also if you fire from cover that also helps greatly. With cryo ammo/marksman it is honestly one of my favorites. I stopped using the N7 Valiant once I got the black widow although that weapon is also very good.

Valkyrie is also superb, top notch assault rifle. The other N7 weapons while neat aren't used at all.

[Rudy Lis]

JaegerBane wrote...

I know what you mean - the Paladin's stopping power has to be seen to be believed...

It behaves like it not anti-materiel rifle, but like anti-tank rifle. You know, Lahti L-39, that sort of thing. I don't remember being able to do one shot-two kills with Widow/Javeling, but I did that regularly with Paladin. Unless someone died of heart attack or friendly (enemyly?) fire, of course - since teammates were "incapacitated".

JaegerBane wrote...

Yeah... I dunno, 600 rpm just doesn't tally with its performance. Like I said, it reminds me of that whole thing where the GPS somehow had a stat of 200 rpm despite it being clearly incapable of such a fire rate.

I trust my count in game - see mag capacity, hold the trigger, use stopwatch. Do it several times, calculate, bingo.


And about Hurricane - It's just me or this thing recoil actually getting worse as you upgrade it? That's bug or feature?

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 15 avril 2012 - 09:20 .

[HBK Dew Man]

 I found the hurricane effective against banshees with disruptor ammo and then incindiaty rouds. Only works with adrenaline rush but it is very effective.

[HBK Dew Man]

also weighs nothing with the upgrades

[jdmteggy4life]

does anyone know how good james does with valkaryie???

[Athenau]

Ok,I just did a quick test. The Hurricane is definitely not doing double damage per shot. There's one impact effect, and the damage is consistent with the listed value. The ROF also appears to be identical to the Phaeston, which fires at the same 600 RPM.

So while the Hurricane does very high dps, I stand by my assessment of it vs the Hornet.