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[shepskisaac]

christrek1982 wrote...

wow a lot of people are going to be disappointed with this DLC I can't see how they can ret-con the whole ending with CGI and dialog

While I'm almost sure the majority will be very pleased.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 15 avril 2012 - 04:18 .

[Sero303]

Unfortunately I have to agree with some of you. Given what happened I'm not sure I can ever put any faith in a BioWare product again. Even IF the DLC, and any future DLC's/Games are everything they claim, everything we all hope for, they still dropped the ball pretty hard on this one.
Now I will be the first to admit I was wrong, and apologize if they end up releasing possibly the greatest DLC add-on addition epilogue that ever existed,...ever,...in the history of the universe. Like God, or even the "god child" with his crazy space magic would have to agree how great it was to get us to apologize and admit we were wrong.

[MyChemicalBromance]

Mass Effect 3 had some rough spots, but over all, Bioware delivered.

Unfortunately, EA did not. I'm not planning on buying many more games for the next decade, but if I do, none will be from them.

[StevenG_CT]

It will be interesting to see just how bad the fallout from this whole debacle is. I suspect that one of the best indicators is going to be how many pre-orders Dragon Age 3 sells. My guess is that the number will be significantly reduced from what was seen for DA2 and ME3. I know I certainly won't pre-order another Bioware game after this and I doubt I am alone in this sentiment.

[StevenG_CT]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Mass Effect 3 had some rough spots, but over all, Bioware delivered.

They delivered but unfortunately one of the things they delivered was something they specifically said they would not deliver. Namely an A,B,C ending scenario that is the same for all players regardless of previous game experience.

[ChildOfEden]

The Protheans wrote...

OP its EA's fault too.
I'm no longer buying any EA games.

Other than BioWare's and DICE's games I never bought any other game from EA. Now, however, I'm inclined to head to other developers. AC3, Halo 4 (etc.), Far Cry 3, GTA5, BioShock Infinite... the list goes on and BioWare, DICE with EA will have to compete with all of these really good looking games, THAT WILL DEFINITELY HAVE BETTER ENDINGS.

[DaosX]

Even if the Extended Cut fixed the problems, I think I'd still be wary of Bioware. If they had gone out and said, "Sorry, our bad" right from the beginning, I would be more forgiving...but the way they handled themselves comes off extremely shady to me. Even with people whom I used to trust so much, my faith in them has truly shaken quite a degree. I know I, for one, will not be buying DA3 until about a year after release (if at all) just so BW will get barely any profits from me.

[Brawne]

I seriously doubt that DLC will change anything since they are not gone kill off Casper.

[Davnort]

i dont follow companies i follow games. so if they make another game series that peaks my interest, i would be inclined to buy

[DaosX]

ChildOfEden wrote...

The Protheans wrote...

OP its EA's fault too.
I'm no longer buying any EA games.

Other than BioWare's and DICE's games I never bought any other game from EA. Now, however, I'm inclined to head to other developers. AC3, Halo 4 (etc.), Far Cry 3, GTA5, BioShock Infinite... the list goes on and BioWare, DICE with EA will have to compete with all of these really good looking games, THAT WILL DEFINITELY HAVE BETTER ENDINGS.

You named some good dev/publishers.

AC3/Farcry are from Ubisoft. If you've followed their stuff as much as I have, you'll be pleasantly surprised. The AC series has always been a really interesting take on history...and I've always been a Prince of Persia fan so I'm a bit biased, however.
GTA5 and Bioshock both from 2K. They have, pound for pound, the best ratio of good dev studios. Rockstar(s), Irrational, 2K Marin, Gearbox, Firaxis, etc. I've bought plenty of their stuff over the years (Borderlands, GTA3, GTA4, Red Dead Redemption, LA Noir, Bioshock) and have never been disappointed with a single game carrying a 2K label before.
Halo 4 is Microsoft/343 Studios. This is the 1st Halo not being developed by Bungie...and because of that, I'm a bit wary of them. You should do the research before jumping in on it because it is not going to be quite the same experience.

[DaosX]

Davnort wrote...

i dont follow companies i follow games. so if they make another game series that peaks my interest, i would be inclined to buy

You really SHOULD follow dev studios (rather than publishers). Great devs will produce great games continuously. Take...

Blizzard: Warcraft, Starcraft, Diablo (everything Blizzard touches turns to gold)
Valve: Half Life, Portal, Team Fortress, Left 4 Dead
Naughty Dog: Crash Bandicoot, Jak & Daxter, Uncharted
Sucker Punch: Sly Cooper, Infamous
Bethesda: Oblivion, Fallout 3, Skyrim

[Ytook]

If it fixes all the problems with the ending (I don't see how extension and 'clarifying' the ending can fix the breakdown in genre, conflict, character focus and narrative coherence that the ending creates but IF) then I'l be more inclined to trust them, but the complete lack of communication and at worst respect that we've received from Bioware/EA and the gaming press over this will mean I won't be buying their games day one and wait to see what the player reaction is.

[Drogonion]

I will feel much better about Bioware if they make the effort to provide alternate endings, or even allow fans to do it. Simply adding more "clarification" to the current endings won't do it for me.

Mere "clarification" to the current endings shows to me that Bioware has sadly lost its narrative talent. That's a game-breaker to me. If you don't have faith that BW can tell a story anymore, you don't pre-order their RPGs.

If they can create alternate endings that actually follows the story arc of the Mass Effect narrative, I will have renewed faith that the folks in charge at BW have learned again how to write satisfying narratives.

[cavs25]

No, and its because they have handled the whole situation like 5 year olds.
Every time there is a press release they have this passive aggressive tone like if its our faults the ending sucked. Almost like saying "you guys are crazy and wrong" so since you have whined so much am willing to make a sacrifice and explain this ending to you.  They get no credit for the DLC being free either.  If someone puts a gun to your head and tells you jump, you are going to jump. They aren't giving us free DLC because they want to, but because it would be suicide to release that nonsensicle ending and then charge to explain it.  I been a Bioware fan since the Baldur's Gate days and in a month they have really done a great job at making me distrust them.
Screw Bioware and EA.

Modifié par cavs25, 15 avril 2012 - 04:58 .

[Drogonion]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Mass Effect 3 had some rough spots, but over all, Bioware delivered.

Unless you're talking about the multiplayer, I cannot disagree more.  

The finale to a story is more important than the journey there.  ME starts off with so much hope against the impossible - that these puny humans, turians, etc. can defeat the god-like Reapers - that to conclude such a hopeful story arc with such a nihilistic conclusion boggles the mind.  

Narratively speaking, the ending is utter fail - not fail as in trying to stick a square peg in a round hole fail, but more like trying to cram the number 12 into it - it's a category type fail.  The conclusion undermines the narrative arc of the entire series.  The ending is much worse than illogical, lacking narrative coherence, lacking clarity and whatnot - the ending tacks on a nihlistic outcome to a positive morality play.  

There is nothing more that pisses off the human spirit than lack of hope - than telling someone that whatever they do will make no gd difference at all.  Nihilism in whatever form will never carry a narrative, especially one that is part commercial.

And it is because of this last part - the commercial part - that some heads will roll at Bioware, and rightfully so. They may be in denial about it now, but the corporate bottom-line will not lie, because it will be a number.  And that number won't be growing. 

Modifié par Drogonion, 15 avril 2012 - 05:11 .

[DiE231]

The ending can't be saved or fixed, it's like a car crash, when the car gets totaled you don't try to repair it, you get rid of it.


BW is trying to repair a ''totaled'' ending, they will come u with a massive amount of asspul excuses that will rewrite their entire lore.


Best case scenario, after the DLC the ending will be just bad, right now is somewhere between laughable and repulsive.

[SilencedScream]

DiE231 wrote...

The ending can't be saved or fixed, it's like a car crash, when the car gets totaled you don't try to repair it, you get rid of it.


BW is trying to repair a ''totaled'' ending, they will come u with a massive amount of asspul excuses that will rewrite their entire lore.


Best case scenario, after the DLC the ending will be just bad, right now is somewhere between laughable and repulsive.

This sums it up, pretty much.
Aside from already being horribly written (with loop holes that have hundreds, if not thousands, of threads about) and being full of lies from Casey (no ABC ending, no "off button" for the reapers), the Catalyst itself is a moronic idea.

Sure, DLC might be able to fix the horrible writing, but Casey Hudson still twisted his words to increase sales and the Catalyst - something not mentioned for almost three full games - still pops up to so "Oh, so this is how we're going to break it all down."

[soulprovider]

the treated me like a whiny toddler and then used my anger to sell their game I don't know if I can trust somebody that betrays me like that.......meaning that bioware has betrayed their fanbase twice now...... how many more time will they do the same.

case and poit see this thread

http://social.biowar...1325/7#11406985 

Modifié par soulprovider, 15 avril 2012 - 05:10 .

[Dendio1]

Mass effect 3 was amazing until the last 5 mins. I will be buying the next mass effect game if it can match this.

[ChildOfEden]

DaosX wrote...

ChildOfEden wrote...

The Protheans wrote...

OP its EA's fault too.
I'm no longer buying any EA games.

Other than BioWare's and DICE's games I never bought any other game from EA. Now, however, I'm inclined to head to other developers. AC3, Halo 4 (etc.), Far Cry 3, GTA5, BioShock Infinite... the list goes on and BioWare, DICE with EA will have to compete with all of these really good looking games, THAT WILL DEFINITELY HAVE BETTER ENDINGS.

You named some good dev/publishers.

AC3/Farcry are from Ubisoft. If you've followed their stuff as much as I have, you'll be pleasantly surprised. The AC series has always been a really interesting take on history...and I've always been a Prince of Persia fan so I'm a bit biased, however.
GTA5 and Bioshock both from 2K. They have, pound for pound, the best ratio of good dev studios. Rockstar(s), Irrational, 2K Marin, Gearbox, Firaxis, etc. I've bought plenty of their stuff over the years (Borderlands, GTA3, GTA4, Red Dead Redemption, LA Noir, Bioshock) and have never been disappointed with a single game carrying a 2K label before.
Halo 4 is Microsoft/343 Studios. This is the 1st Halo not being developed by Bungie...and because of that, I'm a bit wary of them. You should do the research before jumping in on it because it is not going to be quite the same experience.

Well I'm avid follower of numerous developers, in regards to publishers I follow their management style not the games they produce (2k and Activision being prime examples) but the point is that I will continue to support BioWare as long as they make great RPGs, but will never support EA (I mean they made BioWare put in an online pass for the multiplayer?) however, the indication of a failure for BioWare is this ending, something that makes me unlikely to ever pre-order a game from them, which in fact I am now doing, and if they do not fix ME's ending they might as well not count me in as a future consumer of Dragon Age 3.
Just my thoughts :3
Cheers!

[crawfs]

Too be honest, I think the only way Bioware could win back my faith is by openly admitting they went in completely the wrong direction with the ending. So far with their PR all they've done is defend the end and the DLC will "clarify" it if they don't admit they were I don't think I'll have any respect left for them.

[N7Gold]

StevenG_CT wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Mass Effect 3 had some rough spots, but over all, Bioware delivered.

They delivered but unfortunately one of the things they delivered was something they specifically said they would not deliver. Namely an A,B,C ending scenario that is the same for all players regardless of previous game experience.

That's what killed the series-- BioWare was trying to appeal to newcomers by encouraging them to play ME3 first instead of ME1 first. I remember months before ME2's release, before I was even a Mass Effect fan, I remember an article on IGN of BioWare warning us to play ME1 first before ME2 with the save file transfer feature and all that, but towards the game's release, they changed their tone, they were talking about having the game appealing for new fans who want to start out on ME2. How can you start out playing ME2 or ME3 when you don't start from ME1 and experience the greatness that is Mass Effect? Mass Effect 2 and 3 are not one of those video game sequels with a plot that has absolutely nothing to do with the prequels. You have to START at ME1 so that the plot will make a lot more sense to you in the sequels.

Modifié par N7Gold, 16 avril 2012 - 02:45 .

[Banelash]

def a wait and see. EA controls BW now.

[Banelash]

N7Gold wrote...

StevenG_CT wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Mass Effect 3 had some rough spots, but over all, Bioware delivered.

They delivered but unfortunately one of the things they delivered was something they specifically said they would not deliver. Namely an A,B,C ending scenario that is the same for all players regardless of previous game experience.

That's what killed the series-- BioWare was trying to appeal to newcomers by encouraging them to play ME3 first instead of ME1 first. I remember months before ME2's release, before I was even a Mass Effect fan, I remember an article on IGN of BioWare warning us to play ME1 first before ME2, but towards the game's release, they changed the game plan, they were talking about having the game appealing for new fans who want to start out on ME2. How can you start out playing ME2 or ME3 when you don't start from ME1 and experience the greatness that is Mass Effect?

exactly. Or if they wanna save people time, they could had a prologue before the game started, explaining everything that happened.

[RedTail F22]

The endings were bad. Worse than bad. But had Bioware handled the PR situation better I could still see myself preordering from them in the future. Now... I dont even know if I'll buy them at all. If I do it will be bargain bin.