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[N7Gold]

RedTail F22 wrote...

The endings were bad. Worse than bad. But had Bioware handled the PR situation better I could still see myself preordering from them in the future. Now... I dont even know if I'll buy them at all. If I do it will be bargain bin.

And then they'll create more angry fans the more the new fans understand the series.

[DangerousPuddy]

Nah.

If its great all that means is I will just wait for fan-reviews on their next game, never pre-order and never buy at full price - maybe wait for bargain bin or half off sale.

Don't want to go through something like this again!

[ronnok]

With the way they handled the PR situation... And all the lies. They have alot of trust to rebuild.

[GreenDragon37]

 Even if the ending turns out to be good, my trust is something that won't be re-earned for a long while, if ever. 

[Occulo]

N7Gold wrote...

That's what killed the series-- BioWare was trying to appeal to newcomers by encouraging them to play ME3 first instead of ME1 first. I remember months before ME2's release, before I was even a Mass Effect fan, I remember an article on IGN of BioWare warning us to play ME1 first before ME2, but towards the game's release, they changed the game plan, they were talking about having the game appealing for new fans who want to start out on ME2. How can you start out playing ME2 or ME3 when you don't start from ME1 and experience the greatness that is Mass Effect?

That sort of mentality is part of why the mass media sees people who play video games and video games themselves (as well as American comics) as otherworldly and deviant. People get into TV shows late all the time and the TV shows haven't suffered because of it. My first Mass Effect game was actually ME2--are you saying that the run-downs and "pop quizzes" given by Jacob and Miranda in the beginning of the game was pandering to the unwashed masses untouched by BioWare's greatness and lessened the franchise as a whole? There is a difference between "We want more people to enjoy what we've created" and "Let's make things as generic and palatable as possible"--though I admit BioWare did choose the latter when they gave Diana Allers resources over Tali. But wanting to attract new consumers, to expand your fanbase--that per se is not a bad thing.

On the topic: if the extended cut sweetened the endings for me... Well, I would regain faith in the company, but I'd be more wary of their products. Much more. But that's only if it just sweetened. I guess if they pulled off a miracle and just teh best thing evar I'd be throwing money at them again.

[pharsti]

Define "sweetens"... if by that you mean giving me proper epilogues based on my choices and trying to plug some plotholes (yes, that giant plot crater that was the Normandy >_>) then theyve saved ME (as far as im concerned, this is what I need, I)....

But, well, trust takes time to build up, and theyve lost it, and the way they handled this made everything worse, so if they do manage to pull that out, ill still support BW but preorders are out, waiting for a week or so after release and then hear the truth from ordinary gamers than hearing to the devs lie their teeth out.... i already ignored "professional" reviewers anyway, so no change there.

If they do nothing worthwhile.... well, i might still play their games, they just wont see a cent from me XD

[zarnk567]

After how they handled this mess and how their last 2 games were?.... Nope, all brand loyalty it almost gone now. So I'm just gonna wait until their next games are for sale used.

[indyracing]

N7Gold wrote...

If this so-called "clarification" DLC sweetens ME3's endings, are you going to change your feelings about BioWare, or are you still going to look at them with distrust or suspicion?

I'll still look at them with suspicion, and I might not even follow the next Mass Effect trilogy at all. I am not going to buy a game from a developer who burns their own fans.

At this point (having finished ME 3 yesterday), I don't think I can justify to myself spending money on a Bioware game again, without EXTENSIVE research beforehand.

Unfortunately part of that research will be to find out of Bioware "f*cks up the story", which is THE reason I have loved Bioware games from Baldur's Gate 1.  Finding out of they mess up the story will inevitably lead me to actually learning the story, which then leads to the conclusion that once I've read the story (to insure to myself it's not absolute junk like ME 3), there will then be simply no reason to play the game, and therefore no reason to actually buy the game.

To me, Bioware was a game developer I could always trust to give me a good, if not great, story.  Even if the gameplay maybe lacked a little (compared to other single player games), the story would always be among the best stories in gaming that year.  I had always thought that the BEST game that could possibly be made would have been a Bioware story in a Bethesda world.

Added to that, until the end of Mass Effect 3, I thought that it was Bioware's best story to date, as well (rivaled by Baldur's Gate 2 and it's expansions).

So what I ended Mass Effect 3 feeling was the following:

"The best story-writers of all current developers just royally f*cked up their very best story, and made everything they did in the ME universe absolutely irrelevant in the last 20 minutes of Mass Effect 3."

You can blame Hudson and Walters for writing it, but you also have to blame higher ups at Bioware, as well.  Either Hudson and Walters had carte blanche to do simply whatever they wanted, which is bad, as it means there were simply no checks whatsoever inside Bioware with regards to the story, or higher ups actually gave the OK to what we got, which means those higher ups are as responsible for the ending of the story.

Neither of those situations is a good one, and one of those situations existed at Bioware, and seemingly continues to exist.

I can never trust Bioware to "write a good story" again.

Sure, Dragon Age 2 was a bit weak as a Bioware title goes, but Mass Effect 3 is the worst ending I've ever encountered in any form of storytelling, including novels, television, movies and videogames - put out by a company that to that point I simply trusted to always write a good story.  I'm sure my disappointment has everything to do with how much I enjoyed the story until the end of 3, but that's the point.

I simply feel betrayed, because not only can Bioware not be trusted (by me) to always write a good story, they are now capable of writing the worst story that can possibly be written (and be intended to be taken as "good" - there's a lot of crap written that knows it's crap - this thinks it's not).  And with all the pre-release lies, especially by Chambers and Hudson, nothing they say as fact can be counted on to be true.

[eddieoctane]

If the "extended cut" makes the game playable again, I'll go back to playing the game. Until Casey and Mac apologize for their arrogance in responding to fan reactions, as like this, and screwing up the ending in the first place, I won't ever think well of BioWare again. I'll approach every EA product with more timidity than I already do. And I'll discourage everyone I know form buyign a game with Casey's or Mac's name on it.

The only way you get forgiveness from an Italian is to come begging on your knees or to kill me. Even then, the former is at best 50/50 odds. Omerta is in my blood, and BioWare wronged me on a deep level.

[BentOrgy]

After all of the arrogance, negligence, hand-waving, lies, illogical press, poor game design, and general swarm of garbage surrounding Bioware over the last year, my simple, honest answer is:

No, they did it to themselves.

[Grasich]

It will be a start, however their whole attitude during this debacle has been incredibly insulting. So, no, I won't trust them the same way I used to. It would take a full admission of their failure and a full fix for me to trust them again the same way, and that's not going to happen.

[someguy1231]

Bioware has already said the Extended Cut won't actually change the ending. Shepard still accepts Starchild's horrible logic. All of your decisions still amount to nothing. The galaxy still enters a New Dark Age. No amount of "clarification" can make me accept that.

[TheOptimist]

If they fix the endings, it shows they're moving back in the right direction, and I want to reward them for that, not turn my back on them.  Then again, I don't see DA2 or SWTOR as the failures some people here apparently do.

[Cyan-Glow]

If the DLC is good, BioWare is back on top of my list! I'm waiting on it before I do another run through in single player. Good thing the multilayer is so damn entertaining, I haven't put it down since release.

[Sesshaku]

ronnok wrote...

With the way they handled the PR situation... And all the lies. They have alot of trust to rebuild.

QFT.

A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTT

Modifié par Sesshaku, 16 avril 2012 - 03:10 .

[Encarmine]

as long as the new ending DLC gives me a reason to replay Mass Effect 3 ill be happy.

[alberto4395]

The trust I had for them has been pretty much shattered. I won't buy another product from them until this is fixed and even then I will wait a long time while reading user reviews.

[MPSai]

I'm exceedingly pessimistic about the DLC, but I wouldn't mind if it surprised me.

[indyracing]

vivaladricas wrote...
My only Bioware experience is the ME series, I did not witness the dragon age debacle. I trust Bioware as much as I did in 09 when I played ME2, then proceeded to play ME1 and fall in love with the series.

Dragon Age 2, IMO, wasn't as bad as many people say (IMO), but it's true that it wasn't up to what many would call the "Bioware standard" in terms of the story, and had some gameplay elements that were very artificial feeling (seemingly so they could simply reuse assets and save costs). 

If you discount the Original Campaign of Neverwinter Nights (which was primarily a platform for modders to develop their own stories in, and the OC was included as a playable story, but Bioware didn't really write a great story for NWN until Hordes of the Underdark), Dragon Age 2 would, likely, be considered the "worst" Bioware story by many, until Mass Effect 3.  I'm guessing there, but as someone who's played and followed every Bioware game since Baldur's Gate 1, that's the overwhelming impression I get from fans.

[GuardianAngel470]

I've maintained that if the EC is good or great and Bioware drops the pride and actually fixes things, I will continue to keep an open mind about any future games. If it isn't and they don't, I will make a point to never purchase another Bioware game. It wouldn't be very hard, I've only purchased 3 of them (KOTOR, ME2, and ME3).

I have always been loyal to the product and defended the makers when I felt they were being unjustly vilified. Because of all that's happened since ME3's ending, I will cease to do either, regardless what they do with the ending.

[clos]

The ending will determine one of two things for me. Whether I buy their games a couple months after consumer reviews on Amazon call it good (specially since Metacritic is removing reviews by request of gaming companies) or whether I pick them up at all.

Once thing is for certain no matter what. I will never ever preorder a Bioware title again. And I've been supporting all their products since the original Baldur's Gate. ALL of them. But as I said, never again.

[Sublyminal]

I dunno, I've only been burned by them on ME3, luckily, I never bought or played DA2. So they are still in my I trust you, but don't trust you at the same time category.

[webhead921]

Phl0w wrote...

No, it will ease some of the irritation but to me, this entire game needs to go back to the drawing board and done again. After playing through ME 1 and 2 again the glaring disconnect from those 2 games becomes more tiresome. The problem is ME 3 while a good GAME, is a serious cop-out when it came to story telling. It had excellent moments but the connections to the previous mass effect games just were not there, in my opinion mass effect 3 answered 1 quesion and asked about 100 new ones with no promise of ever answering them.

Honestly, I felt a much bigger disconnect from Me1 to Me2.  All of the major choices from ME1 had almost no impact in Me2, while some of the stuff from ME2 could potentially have significant impacts on the main quests in ME3.

Modifié par webhead921, 16 avril 2012 - 03:47 .

[lordofdogtown19]

To be honest, I was gonna be pretty much done with Bioware after ME3 anyway. I'm not sure they're gonna do with the franchise after this but I don't do MMOs. The only new game I would want to buy from Bioware would be a proper KotOR 3 (not MMO like SWtOR).

That being said I was prepared to buy all the DLC. So if the EC fixes the ending, I'll be buying DLC