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[AsheraII]

The Phaeston is right between the Avenger and the Revenant in both damage per second and weight. But, it also has the least recoil. If I play some class where weight isn't a really big issue, and I want a full-automatic, then this is the weapon I pick. Especially when I actually use special ammo types.

[KelbornX]

Top 3 weapons of choice (per category) for a Turian Soldier specced for abuse of Marksman (in descending order)*:

Assault Rifle
Revenant
Phaeston
Avenger

SMG
Hornet
Locust
Tempest

*note, this is imo

The Phaeston is pretty awesome on a TSoldier.  High rate of fire and high ammo capacity make it wonderful for spamming Marksman.  However, I'd still use an Avenger until you get a Phaeston V+, or a Revenant that does more damage than your Avenger.  Avenger X > Revenant I, sadly.  

Modifié par KelbornX, 15 avril 2012 - 03:40 .

[Volmax]

Teratoid wrote...

Mozts wrote...

Its OK if you want 160%+ CD, just like Avenger and Mattock but you can't count on it to be your main source of damage.

Hang on, the Avenger at X will give almost all classes a 200% cooldown, especially Turians.

Agreed with the Phaeston being bad part though. I've found that the only assault rifles worth using are the Vindicator and Mattock. Avenger if you want a light weapon, and Striker if you've got some room to work with. I can't decide which, but the Geth Rifle and the Phaeston are probably the worst assault rifles in the game.

I thought the Geth AR sucked  too, until I tried it again on my Geth Engineer with hunter mode engaged. Actually rapes enemies because you can get non-stop headshots. I was number 1 for 3 games of Gold in a row using Geth AR.

Of course, without the Hunter mode RPM bonus and the Geth damage increase its still worthless. Only viable as a geth class.

I hate the Mattock and Sabre for some reason. Just too slow at killing to get the job done, and I hate clicking a billion times a second with Mattock. Vindicator is much better than both of them.

Modifié par Volmax, 15 avril 2012 - 03:40 .

[RestroomX]

The JoeMan wrote...

Interesting posts here. The phaeston is my go-to AR on my human soldier and I have a mattock IX. It's, hands down the best full auto AR in the game (in MP). It may not do the damage of a revenant but it's close and I like to be able to actually hit my target when firing. That coupled with the lower weight means I can spend more time in adrenaline rush which means more time with a 65% damage bonus and more time with a defensive bonus so I can keep shooting longer before going back to cover. Slap an extended barrel, AP mod along with an ammo mod and things die.

when you are right, you're right.  I use my phaeston x on my turian soldier, my asari vanguard, and krogan soldier.  I usually use those classes as my mmmkay you guys can kill everything but i'll watch your back class.(lazy play)

It shoots hot fire.  Its good at staggering baddies (especially those awful geth hunters) with sustained fire.  With a scope it is not hard for any class to get headshots with it either.  Clip mod, Dmg mod, Scope, or Armor piercing mod.  I usually go armor piercing and dmg (cause it has a large clip to start, 45 rounds or more), but sometimes I like to have the scope if it's my only weapon. 

What makes it viable on gold, cause that's what everyone is thinking right?  Well that would depend on the Assault Rifle Rail Amp II or III, and Ammo piercing ammo II or III that you have.

But then again, everyone who wants to really rock gold brings rail amps and ammo right? 

Modifié par RestroomX, 15 avril 2012 - 04:40 .

[marshalleck]

iliiillliill wrote...

Teratoid wrote...

Mozts wrote...

Its OK if you want 160%+ CD, just like Avenger and Mattock but you can't count on it to be your main source of damage.

Hang on, the Avenger at X will give almost all classes a 200% cooldown, especially Turians.

Agreed with the Phaeston being bad part though. I've found that the only assault rifles worth using are the Vindicator and Mattock. Avenger if you want a light weapon, and Striker if you've got some room to work with. I can't decide which, but the Geth Rifle and the Phaeston are probably the worst assault rifles in the game.

I love both the vindicator and the mattock but I can't get them past III.  And I have bought so many Bioware points that my credit card company locked my card.  :/

Thank you for buying the Resurgence DLC for me. I've been enjoying it. 

[FFLB]

I have it at 10, and I combo it with power spamming soldiers. It's fairly accurate at all ranges and its damage, while not comparable to the heavy hitters, is decent enough.

[DSxCallOfBooty-]

It's an alright gun. I haven't had a lot of success with the Phaeston personally. Mattock is better in terms of DPS, you can get higher recharge speed with the Avenger (only slightly lower DPS with the Avenger) and the Revenant and GPR have higher capacity. When comparing the "conventional" ARs: Mattock>Avenger>Revenant>Saber>Vindicator>Phaeston>GPR. Mattock is the way to go, the only problem is that people tend to be inaccurate when they're spamming the trigger (you've got to really be firing fast to achieve the max DPS).

[humes spork]

Teratoid wrote...

Hang on, the Avenger at X will give almost all classes a 200% cooldown, especially Turians.

Ya don't say.

Hell the turian soldier could probably dual wield avengers with naught a dent in stability, accuracy or CDR.

It'd be like a John Woo film, but instead of all the gun fu acrobatics replace it with standing around looking like a dead man's weiner wrapped in a feather boa.

[squidney2k1]

I have it at X (along with about 5 other ARs) and the weight is better, but it just doesn't do enough damage on Gold (which I primarily play on) for my taste.

I prefer to stick with the Vindicator X.

[cruc1al]

KelbornX wrote...

Avenger X > Revenant I, sadly.  

Why? Avenger DPS = 321.7 - 401.7, Revenant DPS = 627.25 - 771.33 from I to X.

[akula51]

I use the **** out of it. It sprays special ammo everywhere on my Turian Sentinel, Human Engineer and a couple other characters that feel like douches carrying Avenger X and refuse to carry a nonsensical hand cannon. I just haven't liked the heavier stuff, and since it's so light - voila, +191% cooldown. It certainly helps me get a warp in every few overloads (kerplunk!).

[Federally]

I love my Phaeston IX on my concussive shot spamming human soldier. Since I'm basically constantly holding the trigger between concussive shots I need a gun with a large clip and the Phaeston holds 90 rounds with the ammo mod. I top the scoreboards and more importantly prove very useful to my team using this gun so I love it.

Side note, you can really **** up phantoms with a stable, fast firing AR like the Phaeston. Just point and shoot and they'll be so busy dodging they can't hurt anyone and are very vulnerable.

[Teratoid]

Volmax wrote...

I hate the Mattock and Sabre for some reason. Just too slow at killing to get the job done, and I hate clicking a billion times a second with Mattock. Vindicator is much better than both of them.

That's actually why I like the Mattock. I think the semi-auto feature is a good trade-off for its superior damage and accuracy when compared to the Vindicator. Especially noticable against Reapers on gold.

humes spork wrote...

It'd
be like a John Woo film, but instead of all the gun fu acrobatics
replace it with standing around looking like a dead man's weiner wrapped
in a feather boa.

Dunno, I think I'd take the gun fu
instead. That way I could fire off an entire armory's worth of bullets
and not have to reload. Ever.

[Seldarine123]

 I have played several games in both single and multiplayer with Avenger X, Mattock X and Phaeston X using recoil and piercing mods in all. In my opinion the deadliest and most effective among them is Mattock X. The only drawback of Mattock is that you need a new finger after you have played a full in silver. Only for this reason I choose Phaeston X. As for the Avenger X it's a reliable and good riffle but in my opinion it's a bit primitive. In addition if you are not very accurate in what you shoot and you want to keep a few enemies in distance from distance than Phaeston X with the mods referred is the answer (ALWAYS in my opinion).

[Brettic]

It would be a good gun if the damage wasn't so low. I just can't justify it over the Revenant.

[D4rk50ul808]

The Phaeston is a monster on any class due to its light weight, rapid fire rate, reload speed, higher dmg per round, large clip size, huge ammo surplus, and crazy accuracy. It works best with builds that focus on weapon damage or if you pop an amp on it. You won't see huge chunks of life fall off the enemy like a widow but you will have much more control in multiple enemy situations. If you can consistently head shot with this gun it melts any enemy you face on gold.

Modifié par D4rk50ul808, 01 mai 2012 - 01:00 .

[Tiamatshade]

I have an X, but it's too middle-of-the-road for me.

Usually switch between the Avenger (light), Mattock (powerful-accurate), and Saber (sniper) among assault rifles. If you're hosting, a Striker or Falcon limited to one per team for staggering is good, too. I know someone who prefers their Vindicator more, and most Geth like their Pulse Rifle. Revenants for Turians....

...Can't say I've seen people use the Phaeston much in Silver/Gold.

[Brettic]

cruc1al wrote...

KelbornX wrote...

Avenger X > Revenant I, sadly.  

Why? Avenger DPS = 321.7 - 401.7, Revenant DPS = 627.25 - 771.33 from I to X.

the revenant DPS you listed doesn't factor in missed bullets due to bullet spread does it?

[T1l]

I'm curious as to whether people factor in damage mitigation from difficulty.

All assault rifles, Revenant included, are absolutely crap on Gold due to the flat difficulty damage mitigation per shot.

On Silver (and especially Bronze) with an AR mod + ammo they're a lot of fun but on Gold you feel like you're pissing in the wind. (EDIT: Sweet thread necro).

Modifié par T1l, 01 mai 2012 - 01:08 .

[blitzkkrieg]

I was actually using it somewhat successfully on Gold vs Cerberus on my non-hunter geth engineer. Granted, I did have disruptor ammo II and assault rifle amp II, I just took along my Carnifex X when it came to atlases.

[AlienSpaceBats]

It goes well with caster classes, I use my Phaeston X with a Turian Sentinel. Nice and light, accurate, not too bad at damage when modded but with the larger enemies you might as well be farting at them.

[Brettic]

T1l wrote...

I'm curious as to whether people factor in damage mitigation from difficulty.

All assault rifles, Revenant included, are absolutely crap on Gold due to the flat difficulty damage mitigation per shot.

On Silver (and especially Bronze) with an AR mod + ammo they're a lot of fun but on Gold you feel like you're pissing in the wind. (EDIT: Sweet thread necro).

Wow, I didn't even notice...

But yeah, on gold I felt useless with my Revenant, even with equipment mods. Just can't kill anything fast enough with it.

[Quxorda]

iliiillliill wrote...

Teratoid wrote...

Mozts wrote...

Its OK if you want 160%+ CD, just like Avenger and Mattock but you can't count on it to be your main source of damage.

Hang on, the Avenger at X will give almost all classes a 200% cooldown, especially Turians.

Agreed with the Phaeston being bad part though. I've found that the only assault rifles worth using are the Vindicator and Mattock. Avenger if you want a light weapon, and Striker if you've got some room to work with. I can't decide which, but the Geth Rifle and the Phaeston are probably the worst assault rifles in the game.

I love both the vindicator and the mattock but I can't get them past III.  And I have bought so many Bioware points that my credit card company locked my card.  :/

I really hope that's a bad joke.

[GodlessPaladin]

The JoeMan wrote...
 It's, hands down the best full auto AR in the game (in MP).

That's not a particularly high bar to hurdle, though.  The Phaeston is okay, and I like using it on my Turian Soldier over the likes of the Revenant or using up a barrel of equipment to make SMGs decent, but it's nothing to write home about.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 01 mai 2012 - 01:44 .