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Bioware, take a seat... right over there.

Débuté par Guest_the_geo_law_* , avril 15 2012 12:32

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sw04ca
Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:15

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DJBare wrote...

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There is factually or morally nothing wrong with the statement they make in that add. ME3 ending has generated one of the largest fan responses in gaming the gaming industry as a medium.

Which one is the truth?

...mass effect 3 has provoked a bigger fan reaction than any other video game.

...mass effect 3 has provoked a bigger negative fan reaction than any other video game.

Neither?

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:16

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So does the ad indirectly disprove the whole "vocal minority" thing...?

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:16

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sw04ca wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...
There is factually or morally nothing wrong with the statement they make in that add. ME3 ending has generated one of the largest fan responses in gaming the gaming industry as a medium.

Which one is the truth?

...mass effect 3 has provoked a bigger fan reaction than any other video game.

...mass effect 3 has provoked a bigger negative fan reaction than any other video game.

Neither?


Ohhhhhhhh I'm sorry... the correct answer was number 2.

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:19

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sw04ca wrote...
Neither?

Show me a negative outcry in gaming history that's bigger than the one for Mass Effect 3 and I'll give you points for your answer.

My point is, it's a lie by "omission"

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:20

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Smoothie wrote...

So does the ad indirectly disprove the whole "vocal minority" thing...?


Hahaha No... not when they have to acknowledge us.

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:23

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DJBare wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...
There is factually or morally nothing wrong with the statement they make in that add. ME3 ending has generated one of the largest fan responses in gaming the gaming industry as a medium.

Which one is the truth?

...mass effect 3 has provoked a bigger fan reaction than any other video game.

...mass effect 3 has provoked a bigger negative fan reaction than any other video game.


Ya ya semantical use towards the actual comment because there is no factual statement in the content as to it's identification in a postive or negative meaning. Subjective interpretation is not grounds for claiming something is factually or morally wrong. Quoting someone else is not morally or factually wrong. You take issue with the qoute, blame Entertainment Weekly for making it.

Modifié par Opsrbest, 15 avril 2012 - 03:26 .

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:25

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DJBare wrote...

sw04ca wrote...
Neither?

Show me a negative outcry in gaming history that's bigger than the one for Mass Effect 3 and I'll give you points for your answer.

My point is, it's a lie by "omission"

There was this one time where a lot of people got super butthurt over an ending to this one game...

I think it was called Mass Effect 3?

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:26

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Opsrbest wrote...Ya ya semantical use towards the actual comment because there is no factual statement in the content as to it's identification. Subjective interpretation is not grounds for claiming something is factually or morally wrong. Quoting someone else is not morally or factually wrong. You take issue with the qoute, blame Entertainment Weekly for making it.

Err, I'm not blaming anyone, it's an advertising tactic, "turn a disadvantage into an advantage"; it's still a lie by ommision, they ommited the reason for the fan reaction.

Modifié par DJBare, 15 avril 2012 - 03:27 .

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:28

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Opsrbest wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...
There is factually or morally nothing wrong with the statement they make in that add. ME3 ending has generated one of the largest fan responses in gaming the gaming industry as a medium.

Which one is the truth?

...mass effect 3 has provoked a bigger fan reaction than any other video game.

...mass effect 3 has provoked a bigger negative fan reaction than any other video game.


Ya ya semantical use towards the actual comment because there is no factual statement in the content as to it's identification. Subjective interpretation is not grounds for claiming something is factually or morally wrong. Quoting someone else is not morally or factually wrong. You take issue with the qoute, blame Entertainment Weekly for making it.


Entertainment weekly can say whatever they want... for Bioware to take it and put it in an email, then makes them endorsing it. The statement is not legally wrong... but under "75 perfect scores" ... it is giving the impression of something that is not true. It does not give the reason for the reaction and as such is dishonest. It is a shameless and infuriating example of how terrible EA's PR team is.

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:29

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That image...those quotes...this just keeps getting better and better.

Honestly, I'm not sure if they just think we're all stupid, or that they really do believe that the ending they gave us was the best they could do.

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:33

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18 Brains wrote...
Honestly, I'm not sure if they just think we're all stupid.


Yes and they believe that we will buy their next game, no matter what it is... without question.

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:33

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i don't understand how this is good business

bleeding a consumer base and going above and beyond to ensure they don't buy your products, at least new or pre ordered again and encouraging negative word of mouth by the extent of your practices, is illogical from a business standpoint.

This will hurt you

EA/Bioware what's your game?

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:38

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PowerExtreme wrote...

i don't understand how this is good business

bleeding a consumer base and going above and beyond to ensure they don't buy your products, at least new or pre ordered again and encouraging negative word of mouth by the extent of your practices, is illogical from a business standpoint.

This will hurt you

EA/Bioware what's your game?


You'll buy their next game.
Thats what they think.
This will not effect anything.
And who knows... they might be right...
except for me. Cuz im never supporting Bioware
again.

#139
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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:45

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the_geo_law wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...
There is factually or morally nothing wrong with the statement they make in that add. ME3 ending has generated one of the largest fan responses in gaming the gaming industry as a medium.

Which one is the truth?

...mass effect 3 has provoked a bigger fan reaction than any other video game.

...mass effect 3 has provoked a bigger negative fan reaction than any other video game.


Ya ya semantical use towards the actual comment because there is no factual statement in the content as to it's identification. Subjective interpretation is not grounds for claiming something is factually or morally wrong. Quoting someone else is not morally or factually wrong. You take issue with the qoute, blame Entertainment Weekly for making it.


Entertainment weekly can say whatever they want... for Bioware to take it and put it in an email, then makes them endorsing it. The statement is not legally wrong... but under "75 perfect scores" ... it is giving the impression of something that is not true. It does not give the reason for the reaction and as such is dishonest. It is a shameless and infuriating example of how terrible EA's PR team is.

Thats what PR does. It takes the worst and most negative aspects of writen commentary and puts a spin on them. You can, and you are right, say that based on the structure of the ad they are implying that there is a positive outlook on the ending or what have you. But that is looking at the whole of the ad. And DJ's statement wasn't directed as such.

You can't say that it is a lie of omision for example, when they aren't making any claim towards the implication of the quote. They are simply stating with the Entertainment weekly quote that there is a context and connotation towards the ending that has created an event in gaming that has not been seen as a medium. That is neither factually or morally wrong. Even under the implication that the game has 75 perfect reviews in the same add is it factually or morally wrong. Both facts are correct and neither is being used in single perspective context in a maner that is morally wrong. Yes, as a whole they do give the implication that there is a positive spin but anyone with a brain that isn't simply knee-jerk reactionary to any and all adverisments is going to question the quote. And based on the quote itself you can infer that there is a negative impact of the ending on the game.

SO. Based on what we have established: DJ and his assertion that the ad is morally and factually wrong, is incorrect. And that your assertion of the ad is, correct.

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:45

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OP, I agree.

TBH, I was expecting a "To Catch a Predator" reference with that title. Considering the ending puts a new spin on mind**** and minors can play the games, I figured Chris Hansen would have been all over this by now.

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:47

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DJBare wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...Ya ya semantical use towards the actual comment because there is no factual statement in the content as to it's identification. Subjective interpretation is not grounds for claiming something is factually or morally wrong. Quoting someone else is not morally or factually wrong. You take issue with the qoute, blame Entertainment Weekly for making it.

Err, I'm not blaming anyone, it's an advertising tactic, "turn a disadvantage into an advantage"; it's still a lie by ommision, they ommited the reason for the fan reaction.

Really it's a base misunderstanding on both our parts. You where implying the whole use and context of the ad if your post and I thought you were just referencing the quote itself. And I said claiming not blaming. I don't know where you got blaming from.

But this has been a fun past 30 minutes. Then again what doesn't gin make fun.

#142
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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:52

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Shameless bump. I want a link to this ads. I want to see it. Edit your post OP. We must see it in a mailbox.

#143
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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:55

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DJBare wrote...

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Neither?

Show me a negative outcry in gaming history that's bigger than the one for Mass Effect 3 and I'll give you points for your answer.

My point is, it's a lie by "omission"

Hot Coffee.

Sure, you guys are kicking and screaming up a storm, but ultimately it's just some people that didn't like the end of the game.  You got a bit of attention from the entertainment media, but the mainstream media doesn't care.  Hell, the outcry over ME1 being hardcore pornography was worse than this.

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:56

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Opsrbest wrote...
SO. Based on what we have established: DJ and his assertion that the ad is morally and factually wrong, is incorrect. And that your assertion of the ad is, correct.

*sighs*; yes both statements are factually correct, that does not change the fact they left out the reason for the fan reaction, it's still a lie by omission, cut it whichever way you want.

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 03:58

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DJBare wrote...

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SO. Based on what we have established: DJ and his assertion that the ad is morally and factually wrong, is incorrect. And that your assertion of the ad is, correct.

*sighs*; yes both statements are factually correct, that does not change the fact they left out the reason for the fan reaction, it's still a lie by omission, cut it whichever way you want.

Ok, under your assertion that they knowingly missuesed the quote, we can agree. But if your going to make the statement, and I don't mean this how it is going to sound, please locate the original quote used to provide citation for your point.

Otherwise *sigh* personal bias has jaded you.

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 04:05

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DJBare wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...
SO. Based on what we have established: DJ and his assertion that the ad is morally and factually wrong, is incorrect. And that your assertion of the ad is, correct.

*sighs*; yes both statements are factually correct, that does not change the fact they left out the reason for the fan reaction, it's still a lie by omission, cut it whichever way you want.

I think at this point DJ is in the right.

Just my opinion. 

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 04:06

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AxisEvolve wrote...

the_geo_law wrote...
Image IPB

10/10

Would rage again.

Damn you Bioware.


just wrong


:huh:

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 04:12

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Shameless.

But at this point, irrelevant. There's not a person getting that email who doesn't already know how crap the ending to ME3 is. They can butcher context all they want.

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 04:20

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That picture looks victorious.

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Posté 15 avril 2012 - 04:24

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I still want to see a picture of this. In a mailbox. :D
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