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[Icinix]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Interesting, I thought the fan reaction was a vocal minority?

Hmm....speculation.

A vocal minority who does nothing but scream as loud as they can, for as long as they can, still creates a reaction. 

Strange that the majority who likes the ending haven't stood up and been counted then. Since they should easily drown out a loud, persistent vocal minority.

I've never said the majority likes the ending, thanks for being wrong. The MAJORITY are people who simply don't care enough one way or another. It's called the "silent" majority for a reason.

So they don't care either way? So that doesn't make the people who don't like the ending a vocal minority then. It makes them the majority of the people who give a damn?

[Spectre197]

Torxen wrote...

It's a joke probably pertaining to the whole false advertisement thing going around. Insulting? Yeah. Still funny though?... Yeah...

This sums it up as well.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Icinix wrote...



So they don't care either way? So that doesn't make the people who don't like the ending a vocal minority then. It makes them the majority of the people who give a damn?

Sorry no. There are three groups of Mass Effect 3 owners. The silent majority of fans who aren't getting worked up either way. The vocal minority of people who hate the ending and want to see BioWare burned to the ground. And the vocal minority of people who like the endings and appreciate the work BioWare does.

Three groups, you're still a vocal minority.

[Dragoonlordz]

Icinix wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Interesting, I thought the fan reaction was a vocal minority?

Hmm....speculation.

A vocal minority who does nothing but scream as loud as they can, for as long as they can, still creates a reaction. 

Strange that the majority who likes the ending haven't stood up and been counted then. Since they should easily drown out a loud, persistent vocal minority.

I've never said the majority likes the ending, thanks for being wrong. The MAJORITY are people who simply don't care enough one way or another. It's called the "silent" majority for a reason.

So they don't care either way? So that doesn't make the people who don't like the ending a vocal minority then. It makes them the majority of the people who give a damn?

Millions bought it, thousands being vocal about their disappointment.

It is a minority being vocal about it. Hence 'vocal' minority.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 avril 2012 - 03:55 .

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...


Of course you don't.  But someone with no knowledge of the situation would assume the reaction was positive.  Don't even deny that.

You whine when BioWare advertises, in your mind, "false" things. You whine when BioWare advertises true things that even you don't deny are true.

Good grief. Do you just not BioWare to advertise at all? For anything?

That's would be like Jack in the Box putting out the following advertisement during their E. coli outbreak.
We are one of the best rated fast food chains in the nation!
Our burgers have been in the news for weeks now!

It makes it seem like their burgers have been in the news for good reasons instead of hospitalizing hundreds of people.  Hence the whole thing is misleading even if technically true.  Which is more than I can say about the interviews Hudson and Walters gave about the endings.

[Bcoolpro]

aberdash wrote...

Bcoolpro wrote...

It's an advertisement...  and by that definition then most every ad out there engages in lies of omission on some level or other.

I never said it was good or bad, only an idiot assumes intent. I only stated it was a lie of omission. Which it is.

You also said:

aberdash wrote...
Anyone who didn't know about it would assume it was a positive response with the way it was presented 

So is ignorance also an excuse or are they idiots for assuming?

[Dragoonlordz]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...


Of course you don't.  But someone with no knowledge of the situation would assume the reaction was positive.  Don't even deny that.

You whine when BioWare advertises, in your mind, "false" things. You whine when BioWare advertises true things that even you don't deny are true.

Good grief. Do you just not BioWare to advertise at all? For anything?

That's would be like Jack in the Box putting out the following advertisement during their E. coli outbreak.
We are one of the best rated fast food chains in the nation!
Our burgers have been in the news for weeks now!

It makes it seem like their burgers have been in the news for good reasons instead of hospitalizing hundreds of people.  Hence the whole thing is misleading even if technically true.  Which is more than I can say about the interviews Hudson and Walters gave about the endings.

Irrelevent. EA did not put thousands in hosptial or hundreds. Your analogies play no part in this.

If was medical concern even EA would put out press releases warning people. It does not apply in this situation.

It is plain and simple business practice to promote your product by putting a positive spin on such.

Nothing said in the OP image was not true.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 avril 2012 - 03:59 .

[Tazzmission]

are we still keeping this argument going?

jesus christ people how long are you gona let this go on?

[Icinix]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Icinix wrote...



So they don't care either way? So that doesn't make the people who don't like the ending a vocal minority then. It makes them the majority of the people who give a damn?

Sorry no. There are three groups of Mass Effect 3 owners. The silent majority of fans who aren't getting worked up either way. The vocal minority of people who hate the ending and want to see BioWare burned to the ground. And the vocal minority of people who like the endings and appreciate the work BioWare does.

Three groups, you're still a vocal minority.

...I think you're missing a group there. The large number of people who were disappointed with the endings but still love the game.

I don't think everyone who dislikes the ending can be painted with the "I hate BioWare" brush.

So would you say that all opinions, vocally made on the internet, should be disregarded? Either for or against since they're all just minorities? Genuine question.

[Mole267]

EA are the ones who openly admit to nickel and diming their loyal customers.

[Menethra]

Spectre197 wrote...

Torxen wrote...

It's a joke probably pertaining to the whole false advertisement thing going around. Insulting? Yeah. Still funny though?... Yeah...

This sums it up as well.

lol that's awesome.

[aberdash]

Bcoolpro wrote...

So is ignorance also an excuse or are they idiots for assuming?

Most people would put no effort in to finding out the truth and assume it was positive. So yes they are idiots. That doesn't change the fact EA is misrepresting what happened. This also does not change the fact it is a lie of omission.

edit: also I didn't say only an idiot assumes I said only an idiot assumes intent.

Modifié par aberdash, 15 avril 2012 - 04:04 .

[TheRealJayDee]

If I wouldn't feel the need to pretty much throw up at the sight of anything Bioware/PR related these days I might even laugh at this in a not bitter way. It could be a genuinely funny spin on the whole situation, but given how things are it just feels like another form of offense to the ME3 critics.

At least it should make the whole "vocal minority" thing a little more difficult.

[Icinix]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Interesting, I thought the fan reaction was a vocal minority?

Hmm....speculation.

A vocal minority who does nothing but scream as loud as they can, for as long as they can, still creates a reaction. 

Strange that the majority who likes the ending haven't stood up and been counted then. Since they should easily drown out a loud, persistent vocal minority.

I've never said the majority likes the ending, thanks for being wrong. The MAJORITY are people who simply don't care enough one way or another. It's called the "silent" majority for a reason.

So they don't care either way? So that doesn't make the people who don't like the ending a vocal minority then. It makes them the majority of the people who give a damn?

Millions bought it, thousands being vocal about their disappointment.

It is a minority being vocal about it. Hence 'vocal' minority.

Arguably every internet post ever is a vocal minority, however, I don't believe its a number that should be ignored. Considering its arguably the largest reaction ever in video game history.

Its like political polls, millions vote, thousands get queried in polls. The polls are usually a good indication. Same as TV ratings, they all take a good cross section to base their opinions. The opnion in the vocal internet users is that the ending was a let down.

As such, I don't believe the reaction can ever be dismissed as a vocal minority. People can call internet opinion vocal minority until the cows come home, leave, and come back again, but just not dismissed the reaction under the guise of it being a minority.

Modifié par Icinix, 15 avril 2012 - 04:04 .

[garf]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

You're pissed at EW for saying something true? Seriously?

Damn, no wonder y'all keep ranting about how BioWare lied to you.

okay surprisingly you've managed to be reasonable most of the time. so despite what I consider a troll tag on your sig. You've not been someone I've dismissed as a troll. But if you refuse to see the blatent misresprentation in that post...

you lose whatever credibility you had with me.

Like you care I'm sure but.. Just saying.

Modifié par garf, 15 avril 2012 - 04:03 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Icinix wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Icinix wrote...



So they don't care either way? So that doesn't make the people who don't like the ending a vocal minority then. It makes them the majority of the people who give a damn?

Sorry no. There are three groups of Mass Effect 3 owners. The silent majority of fans who aren't getting worked up either way. The vocal minority of people who hate the ending and want to see BioWare burned to the ground. And the vocal minority of people who like the endings and appreciate the work BioWare does.

Three groups, you're still a vocal minority.

...I think you're missing a group there. The large number of people who were disappointed with the endings but still love the game.

I don't think everyone who dislikes the ending can be painted with the "I hate BioWare" brush.

So would you say that all opinions, vocally made on the internet, should be disregarded? Either for or against since they're all just minorities? Genuine question.

I'm really not missing a group. 

And no, opinions should be listened to and considered - but you should not just automatically assume that just because a bunch of you are screaming on the internet, that you're a vast majority. Millions of copies sold. Thousands of people screaming. 

That's not a majority. By any definition.

[Dragoonlordz]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

If I wouldn't feel the need to pretty much throw up at the sight of anything Bioware/PR related these days I might even laugh at this in a not bitter way. It could be a genuinely funny spin on the whole situation, but given how things are it just feels like another form of offense to the ME3 critics.

At least it should make the whole "vocal minority" thing a little more difficult.

Not really. A few dozen people can spam the internet pushing their opinion through the media and create a perception of a big reaction. What is funny is how so many who hate the endings feel that they need validation through the media in the first place.

[Tazzmission]

:sigh: im so glad i dont work for bioware because you guys would really drive me to become an alchoholic


everyone just needs to shut up about the ending because its been beaten to death

Modifié par Tazzmission, 15 avril 2012 - 04:06 .

[Icinix]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Icinix wrote...



So they don't care either way? So that doesn't make the people who don't like the ending a vocal minority then. It makes them the majority of the people who give a damn?

Sorry no. There are three groups of Mass Effect 3 owners. The silent majority of fans who aren't getting worked up either way. The vocal minority of people who hate the ending and want to see BioWare burned to the ground. And the vocal minority of people who like the endings and appreciate the work BioWare does.

Three groups, you're still a vocal minority.

...I think you're missing a group there. The large number of people who were disappointed with the endings but still love the game.

I don't think everyone who dislikes the ending can be painted with the "I hate BioWare" brush.

So would you say that all opinions, vocally made on the internet, should be disregarded? Either for or against since they're all just minorities? Genuine question.

I'm really not missing a group. 

And no, opinions should be listened to and considered - but you should not just automatically assume that just because a bunch of you are screaming on the internet, that you're a vast majority. Millions of copies sold. Thousands of people screaming. 

That's not a majority. By any definition.

So you are painting everyone who dislikes the ending with the same brush then? Even if they outright say they loved Mass Effect 3 but didn't enjoy the ending?

..and you shouldn't be so quick to assume that the people who dislike the endings are a minority, nor should you assume that everyone wants BioWare to burn. People wouldn't be such a loud vocal minority petitioning and fighting for it if they wanted BioWare to burn. They're passionate fans, and many of them are reasonable and talk about lots of good things in the game.

[Hexley UK]

Sooo much pro-ender delusion going on in this thread.

[Menethra]

Tazzmission wrote...

:sigh: im so glad i dont work for bioware because you guys would really drive me to become an alchoholic


everyone just needs to shut up about the ending because its been beaten to death

Complaining about people complaining, cool going bro.

[Repearized Miranda]

^ Well, you know what happens when you assume. To be fair though, the vast majority of us did and seeing where we are now.

However, having seen quotes like that plastered about all forms of media:

"This is the best thing since sliced bread!" who wouldn't assume that this wasn't good or if they were uninformed about the Razzie, they'd think that was a "great" award, too.

Ignorant doesn't mean uninformed. Ignorance is of "blatant disregard despite knowing!" Unless, ignore means something else entirely.

Having said this, advertising wasn't designed to turn people off; however, if the product isn't what the ad said it was and we know how often this happens. The thing is: "What'd you get out of the product?"

That's why the adjective omission!

Heck, I almost didn't get this game and I'm not saying that I regret having done so, but I see why I almost didn't get it.

There's really no deception here only the preconceived notion.

[aberdash]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Not really. A few dozen people can spam the internet pushing their opinion through the media and create a perception of a big reaction. What is funny is how so many who hate the endings feel that they need validation through the media in the first place.

It would take more than a few dozen people to raise $80,000 for a charity. Also nobody from RME sought media attention.

[Dragoonlordz]

Menethra wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

:sigh: im so glad i dont work for bioware because you guys would really drive me to become an alchoholic


everyone just needs to shut up about the ending because its been beaten to death

Complaining about people complaining, cool going bro.

You complaining about him complaining about another person is no better.

Me complaining about you complaining about his complaining about another is the same, saves someone else saying it.