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[MyKingdomCold]

I think Final Fantasy XIII-2 had a worse ending. The ending was "To be continued", so they tell you that they sold you an incomplete game.

[Muhkida]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

You guys complained and complained and wouldn't let it go and they used it to their benefit.  I honestly don't believe anyone thought this wasn't a selling point for this game.

That's a risky business practice, sell something that a lot of people will be angry about once they use that product.  Then advertise about the reactions that's misleading to make the product look great.  This may have worked 20-25 years ago, but now "the word" spreads fast.

People who get fooled or screwed the first time they used a brand product tend to think twice before buying something else from that brand/company in the future.

[AxisEvolve]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...
I've criticised BioWare heavily for issues that are actually issues, such as the reuse of maps in DA2, and the statement that there are enough assets in SP to get all the endings.

Please, though, strawman more.

You misunderstood my point. No, actually you proved it. 

I appeared to judge you based on your few posts in this thread. (Bioware can do no wrong!) Just as you assumed everyone against the ending in this thread will complain about everything Bioware does. (There's no winning!)

[TheJiveDJ]

Um EW wasn't praising the ending in the article where this quote came from; they were reporting on the negative fan backlash. BW simply cherry picked a neutral quote that could be exploited and spun it in a different way. It worked and they now look like tools; congrats BioWare/EA.

Modifié par TheJiveDJ, 15 avril 2012 - 06:09 .

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

You guys complained and complained and wouldn't let it go and they used it to their benefit.  I honestly don't believe anyone thought this wasn't a selling point for this game.

That's a risky business practice, sell something that a lot of people will be angry about once they use that product.  Then advertise about the reactions that's misleading to make the product look great.  This may have worked 20-25 years ago, but now "the word" spreads fast.

People who get fooled or screwed the first time they used a brand product tend to think twice before buying something else from that brand/company in the future.

HA!

You mean like when ppl complained about ME2 being dumbed down....then went out and bought DA2.....then complained about it sucking.....THEN went out and bought ME3......AND NOW say they might actually buy DLC that "helps" the ending.

Tell me another story.

[thunderhawk862002]

Dridengx wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Good for EA and Bioware haha so they gave away your cupcakes, use your rage to sell their game, and now completely wrecked you with free DLC. You never had a chance. Best news is the game is selling good regardless of your cries and refunds

Yeah it's selling as well as Enter the Matrix.  And what other AAA games were released last month again?  How were sales after the initial first week?  As good as Skyrim right?

oh, I'm sorry, you mad? You know very well the sales numbers are at a franchise high for Mass Effect. Sales first week were also higher than any ME game as well. oo? now we're comparing games to do what exactly? you think that IF skyrim sold more that somehow disproves that ME3 sold a franchise high for Bioware or that ME3 didn't sell well? get a clue lol

www.videogamer.com/xbox360/mass_effect_2/news/10_million_sales_is_biowares_new_target.html

I guess it didn't sell well enough to be considered a major hit.    Just a minor one.

Modifié par thunderhawk862002, 15 avril 2012 - 05:57 .

[thunderhawk862002]

MyKingdomCold wrote...

I think Final Fantasy XIII-2 had a worse ending. The ending was "To be continued", so they tell you that they sold you an incomplete game.

That depends on if there is a third game or an ending DLC.  God Of War 2 ended in a similar manner.  At least they weren't brazen enough to say, Congrats you beat the game, now buy some dlc right after the ending.

[Muhkida]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

You guys complained and complained and wouldn't let it go and they used it to their benefit.  I honestly don't believe anyone thought this wasn't a selling point for this game.

That's a risky business practice, sell something that a lot of people will be angry about once they use that product.  Then advertise about the reactions that's misleading to make the product look great.  This may have worked 20-25 years ago, but now "the word" spreads fast.

People who get fooled or screwed the first time they used a brand product tend to think twice before buying something else from that brand/company in the future.

HA!

You mean like when ppl complained about ME2 being dumbed down....then went out and bought DA2.....then complained about it sucking.....THEN went out and bought ME3......AND NOW say they might actually buy DLC that "helps" the ending.

Tell me another story.

Apples and oranges analogy seeing how I don't recall misleading advertisements to cover the "provoking" fan base reaction for ME2/DA2 unless you can prove it to me otherwise.

I didn't say it was a bad business practice, I just said it was risky...like a vanguard.  I just hope the stack of poop Bioware/EA is building doesn't fall over.

[BentOrgy]

MyKingdomCold wrote...

I think Final Fantasy XIII-2 had a worse ending. The ending was "To be continued", so they tell you that they sold you an incomplete game.

Or you know, games, like movies, can only be worked on for so long until they start becoming financial nightmares. That's why we set budgets and time-frames.

Would you really want to sit through an eight hour movie, or four two hour ones?

[MyKingdomCold]

an eight hour movie that was a mini series

[Ronin1325]

It's really sad that many 'pro-enders' here are supporting an ad that is obviously intentionally misleading. So you guys are essentially saying that you *want* deceptive advertising?

[Gatt9]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...
It used to be *rageragerageHOWDAREBIOWARELIErageragerage*

Now it's *rageragerageHOWDAREBIOWARETELLTHETRUTHrageragerage*

I mean, honestly. There's just no winning here.

Two can play that game.

It sounds like they can do no wrong to you to me. Some will praise anything Bioware does. 

I've criticised BioWare heavily for issues that are actually issues, such as the reuse of maps in DA2, and the statement that there are enough assets in SP to get all the endings.

Please, though, strawman more.

Why am I not surprised to see that within just a an hour,  you and DragonlordZ are here on this thread defending Bioware's PR?  Looks like you're well on your way to getting this topic locked too,  almost as if that was the intent considering the way you both are shifting the topic to personal attacks.

[HenchxNarf]

Ronin1325 wrote...

It's really sad that many 'pro-enders' here are supporting an ad that is obviously intentionally misleading. So you guys are essentially saying that you *want* deceptive advertising?

Uh.. *shakes head* the fandom reaction they are speaking of is both the positive and the negative. Which isn't misleading at all.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

You guys complained and complained and wouldn't let it go and they used it to their benefit.  I honestly don't believe anyone thought this wasn't a selling point for this game.

That's a risky business practice, sell something that a lot of people will be angry about once they use that product.  Then advertise about the reactions that's misleading to make the product look great.  This may have worked 20-25 years ago, but now "the word" spreads fast.

People who get fooled or screwed the first time they used a brand product tend to think twice before buying something else from that brand/company in the future.

HA!

You mean like when ppl complained about ME2 being dumbed down....then went out and bought DA2.....then complained about it sucking.....THEN went out and bought ME3......AND NOW say they might actually buy DLC that "helps" the ending.

Tell me another story.

Apples and oranges analogy seeing how I don't recall misleading advertisements to cover the "provoking" fan base reaction for ME2/DA2 unless you can prove it to me otherwise.

I didn't say it was a bad business practice, I just said it was risky...like a vanguard.  I just hope the stack of poop Bioware/EA is building doesn't fall over.

How is it apples and oranges???

You said less ppl wouldn't buy something if the company who made it did something the fanbase didn't agree with.

I just gave you 4 scenarios that show you this fanbase doesn't work like that.  I've found that gamers in general cry wolf....then when they really should have a backbone the cave.

COD is another example.  Everyone you talk to on the forums says "This isn't COC noob!" or "COD is the same ever year".  YET is is still one of the most popular selling games EVERY.....SINGLE.......YEAR.

Modifié par Dude_in_the_Room, 15 avril 2012 - 06:20 .

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

BentOrgy wrote...

MyKingdomCold wrote...

I think Final Fantasy XIII-2 had a worse ending. The ending was "To be continued", so they tell you that they sold you an incomplete game.

Or you know, games, like movies, can only be worked on for so long until they start becoming financial nightmares. That's why we set budgets and time-frames.

Would you really want to sit through an eight hour movie, or four two hour ones?

I would love to watch an 8 hour movie. That's the great thing about living in the internet age, we don't have to go to a movie theater with scheduled showings. We can set aside a time when we want and when we feel like it. If you have 8 hours free and want to kill it by watching a movie go right ahead.

[Muhkida]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

You guys complained and complained and wouldn't let it go and they used it to their benefit.  I honestly don't believe anyone thought this wasn't a selling point for this game.

That's a risky business practice, sell something that a lot of people will be angry about once they use that product.  Then advertise about the reactions that's misleading to make the product look great.  This may have worked 20-25 years ago, but now "the word" spreads fast.

People who get fooled or screwed the first time they used a brand product tend to think twice before buying something else from that brand/company in the future.

HA!

You mean like when ppl complained about ME2 being dumbed down....then went out and bought DA2.....then complained about it sucking.....THEN went out and bought ME3......AND NOW say they might actually buy DLC that "helps" the ending.

Tell me another story.

Apples and oranges analogy seeing how I don't recall misleading advertisements to cover the "provoking" fan base reaction for ME2/DA2 unless you can prove it to me otherwise.

I didn't say it was a bad business practice, I just said it was risky...like a vanguard.  I just hope the stack of poop Bioware/EA is building doesn't fall over.

How is it apples and oranges???

You said less ppl wouldn't buy something if the company who made it did something the fanbase didn't agree with.

I just gave you 4 scenarios that show you this fanbase doesn't work like that.  I've found that gamers in general cry wolf....then when they really should have a backbone the cave.

COD is another example.  Everyone you talk to on the forums says "This isn't COC noob!" or "COD is the same ever year".  YET is is still one of the most popular selling games EVERY.....SINGLE.......YEAR.

Apparently I have to simplify...

Misleading advertisement from an American magazine company =/= fan-based criticism after playing the game

In case you don't see it, this propaganda tactic is mostly targeting those customers/gamers who aren't particularly getting themselves involved with games made recently by Bioware as of yet.... not those who already played the ME/DA series before.  By now, Bioware/EA already got their money from the latter.

Modifié par Muhkida, 15 avril 2012 - 06:54 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

It's really sad that many 'pro-enders' here are supporting an ad that is obviously intentionally misleading. So you guys are essentially saying that you *want* deceptive advertising?

Uh.. *shakes head* the fandom reaction they are speaking of is both the positive and the negative. Which isn't misleading at all.

It implies the ending has had a positive reaction, not the entire game.

[Gleym]

'The Holocaust! - An event of epic proportions that changed the lives of millions and left its unbelievable mark on humanity's history that will last for lifetimes! A tale which historians will speak of for generations! Witness the incredible experience for yourself!'

Lies of omission are FUN.

[Arik7]

DJCubed wrote...

It's 100% true. The biggest negative reaction to a video game ending I've ever seen at least. It doesn't say "good" reaction.

"fan reaction" implies positive reaction, unless otherwise specified..... 

[kalle90]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
they have their own agenda.

What a great agenda they have. That sort of misguiding journalism puts all the usual "Lady Gaga did or said X" stuff in shame.

"Victory at all cost"

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

You guys complained and complained and wouldn't let it go and they used it to their benefit.  I honestly don't believe anyone thought this wasn't a selling point for this game.

That's a risky business practice, sell something that a lot of people will be angry about once they use that product.  Then advertise about the reactions that's misleading to make the product look great.  This may have worked 20-25 years ago, but now "the word" spreads fast.

People who get fooled or screwed the first time they used a brand product tend to think twice before buying something else from that brand/company in the future.

HA!

You mean like when ppl complained about ME2 being dumbed down....then went out and bought DA2.....then complained about it sucking.....THEN went out and bought ME3......AND NOW say they might actually buy DLC that "helps" the ending.

Tell me another story.

Apples and oranges analogy seeing how I don't recall misleading advertisements to cover the "provoking" fan base reaction for ME2/DA2 unless you can prove it to me otherwise.

I didn't say it was a bad business practice, I just said it was risky...like a vanguard.  I just hope the stack of poop Bioware/EA is building doesn't fall over.

How is it apples and oranges???

You said less ppl wouldn't buy something if the company who made it did something the fanbase didn't agree with.

I just gave you 4 scenarios that show you this fanbase doesn't work like that.  I've found that gamers in general cry wolf....then when they really should have a backbone the cave.

COD is another example.  Everyone you talk to on the forums says "This isn't COC noob!" or "COD is the same ever year".  YET is is still one of the most popular selling games EVERY.....SINGLE.......YEAR.

Apparently I have to simplify...

Misleading advertisement from an American magazine company =/= fan-based criticism after playing the game

In case you don't see it, this propaganda tactic is mostly targeting those customers/gamers who aren't particularly getting themselves involved with games made recently by Bioware as of yet.... not those who already played the ME/DA series before.  By now, Bioware/EA already got their money from the latter.

That superior brain of yours should be able to figure out that I'm talking about you saying "ppl don't continue to buy things if said company pisses them off."

The ad itself is moot.  If my inferior mind can wrap around that...you certainly should be able to do so.

[Farbautisonn]

Volus Warlord wrote...

More spin crap? Cmon.

Funniest and most appropriate gif employed EVER!!! 

Internet Fatatlity!

[Jassu1979]

DJCubed wrote...

It's 100% true. The biggest negative reaction to a video game ending I've ever seen at least. It doesn't say "good" reaction.

It's supposed to imply it, though.

This is a picture perfect definition of a misleading half-truth, arranged in such a way that it suggests the virtual opposite of what it actually *should* say.

Look at the way that ad is arranged: if you looked at this without knowing anything about the controversy, you'd end up thinking: "Wow, 75 perfect scores, and the most talked-about ending in gaming history! That must be the most EPIC conclusion EVER!"

[Farbautisonn]

Father_Jerusalem wrote... BioWare is going to make money off your hissyfit.

-Christ... you have zero Idea about public relations dont you? 

The only thing that add will do, is cause people to go behind the statement and get a chuckle at it. Any news article in standard non-gaming media will strike down hard on it and elaborate on why its labelled as such. Any gaming magazine worth its salt will too. Its going to prolongue the fecal blizzard as certain people will feel provoked. It falls right in line with "we are listening" and "we are announcing" and then doing nothing.


I wonder which inane marketing rep thought spinning this would be a great idea. If I were in the marketing/pr dept Id want to bury this debacle in the deepest pit in the deepest ocean as soon as possible... not keep it lingereing in the mind of my client base.

This will go down as yet more "speculation". And the combined "hizzy fit" will have more fallout when DA3 arrives as old fans, trolls, malcontents etc go over DA3 with a toothpick for falsehoods, broken promises, bugs and logic/lore gameplay issues.