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[Kub666]

What a nice way to show contempt the their fanbase. GG Bioware!

[BrookerT]

It's quite funny. Bioware put a positive spin on something negative, like some people put a negative spin on anything positive they do.

[RShara]

jacobdg wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...
That's not a lie of omission, that's just an outright lie.

See what I did there?

Modifié par RShara, 15 avril 2012 - 09:35 .

[HiroVoid]

That.Is.Hilarious.

[Xewaka]

BentOrgy wrote...
Would you really want to sit through an eight hour movie, or four two hour ones?

I've watched "Once upon a time in the West" and "Once upon a time in America" one after the other. I've seen all three extended cuts of LoTR movies in the same day.
Yes, if the mood strikes me, I will want to.

[Dezerte]

A big high five to their PR department. Turning something bad into something that sounds good.

[Jassu1979]

Tesclo wrote...

I like how all that money goes to promoting the game to trick people into buying it instead of using it to actually fix the game and have people buying your game based on a good reputation like Bioware USED to have. It's like the pizza guy that spends all his money on tv ads while he cheaps out on ingredients then wonders why people hate his pizza.

^^ This.

Why bother to improve your product when better advertising allows you to sell an inferior one?

[AkiKishi]

It's a bit like they did the EPIC for DA2 and left off the fail.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 15 avril 2012 - 10:34 .

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Jassu1979 wrote...

Tesclo wrote...

I like how all that money goes to promoting the game to trick people into buying it instead of using it to actually fix the game and have people buying your game based on a good reputation like Bioware USED to have. It's like the pizza guy that spends all his money on tv ads while he cheaps out on ingredients then wonders why people hate his pizza.

^^ This.

Why bother to improve your product when better advertising allows you to sell an inferior one?

I hate to tell you guys....but ME3 sold a lot before this ad.  I don't think this ad is going to do nearly as much as the ppl who keep buying games from a publisher/developer that keeps disapointing them.

[Muhkida]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

You guys complained and complained and wouldn't let it go and they used it to their benefit.  I honestly don't believe anyone thought this wasn't a selling point for this game.

That's a risky business practice, sell something that a lot of people will be angry about once they use that product.  Then advertise about the reactions that's misleading to make the product look great.  This may have worked 20-25 years ago, but now "the word" spreads fast.

People who get fooled or screwed the first time they used a brand product tend to think twice before buying something else from that brand/company in the future.

HA!

You mean like when ppl complained about ME2 being dumbed down....then went out and bought DA2.....then complained about it sucking.....THEN went out and bought ME3......AND NOW say they might actually buy DLC that "helps" the ending.

Tell me another story.

Apples and oranges analogy seeing how I don't recall misleading advertisements to cover the "provoking" fan base reaction for ME2/DA2 unless you can prove it to me otherwise.

I didn't say it was a bad business practice, I just said it was risky...like a vanguard.  I just hope the stack of poop Bioware/EA is building doesn't fall over.

How is it apples and oranges???

You said less ppl wouldn't buy something if the company who made it did something the fanbase didn't agree with.

I just gave you 4 scenarios that show you this fanbase doesn't work like that.  I've found that gamers in general cry wolf....then when they really should have a backbone the cave.

COD is another example.  Everyone you talk to on the forums says "This isn't COC noob!" or "COD is the same ever year".  YET is is still one of the most popular selling games EVERY.....SINGLE.......YEAR.

Apparently I have to simplify...

Misleading advertisement from an American magazine company =/= fan-based criticism after playing the game

In case you don't see it, this propaganda tactic is mostly targeting those customers/gamers who aren't particularly getting themselves involved with games made recently by Bioware as of yet.... not those who already played the ME/DA series before.  By now, Bioware/EA already got their money from the latter.

That superior brain of yours should be able to figure out that I'm talking about you saying "ppl don't continue to buy things if said company pisses them off."

The ad itself is moot.  If my inferior mind can wrap around that...you certainly should be able to do so.

You should be able to figure out that I was talking about you saying "people complaining about ME2, and then bought DA2 etc"... see, I'm doing it to.

Somehow the people who were angry about ME2/DA2 are the same people who never touched a recent Bioware game before and may want to play ME3 because of the misleading advertisement.  I'm trying to tell you how that's not the case but you can't seem to wrap your mind around that.

Don't try to twist things and say "The ad itself is moot", seeing how it's a selling point (as you have said) and is the basis of our little argument.

[Farbautisonn]

Tesclo wrote...

You'd be amazed what a business degree from Harvard will get you.

Nice job with no brain.

Common sense ------> window

- Thats not fair to Harward. Their PR/Spin/marketing guys are really good. Which is why Im betting they arent working for EA.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

You guys complained and complained and wouldn't let it go and they used it to their benefit.  I honestly don't believe anyone thought this wasn't a selling point for this game.

That's a risky business practice, sell something that a lot of people will be angry about once they use that product.  Then advertise about the reactions that's misleading to make the product look great.  This may have worked 20-25 years ago, but now "the word" spreads fast.

People who get fooled or screwed the first time they used a brand product tend to think twice before buying something else from that brand/company in the future.

HA!

You mean like when ppl complained about ME2 being dumbed down....then went out and bought DA2.....then complained about it sucking.....THEN went out and bought ME3......AND NOW say they might actually buy DLC that "helps" the ending.

Tell me another story.

Apples and oranges analogy seeing how I don't recall misleading advertisements to cover the "provoking" fan base reaction for ME2/DA2 unless you can prove it to me otherwise.

I didn't say it was a bad business practice, I just said it was risky...like a vanguard.  I just hope the stack of poop Bioware/EA is building doesn't fall over.

How is it apples and oranges???

You said less ppl wouldn't buy something if the company who made it did something the fanbase didn't agree with.

I just gave you 4 scenarios that show you this fanbase doesn't work like that.  I've found that gamers in general cry wolf....then when they really should have a backbone the cave.

COD is another example.  Everyone you talk to on the forums says "This isn't COC noob!" or "COD is the same ever year".  YET is is still one of the most popular selling games EVERY.....SINGLE.......YEAR.

Apparently I have to simplify...

Misleading advertisement from an American magazine company =/= fan-based criticism after playing the game

In case you don't see it, this propaganda tactic is mostly targeting those customers/gamers who aren't particularly getting themselves involved with games made recently by Bioware as of yet.... not those who already played the ME/DA series before.  By now, Bioware/EA already got their money from the latter.

That superior brain of yours should be able to figure out that I'm talking about you saying "ppl don't continue to buy things if said company pisses them off."

The ad itself is moot.  If my inferior mind can wrap around that...you certainly should be able to do so.

You should be able to figure out that I was talking about you saying "people complaining about ME2, and then bought DA2 etc"... see, I'm doing it to.

Somehow the people who were angry about ME2/DA2 are the same people who never touched a recent Bioware game before and may want to play ME3 because of the misleading advertisement.  I'm trying to tell you how that's not the case but you can't seem to wrap your mind around that.

Don't try to twist things and say "The ad itself is moot", seeing how it's a selling point (as you have said) and is the basis of our little argument.

Just how many more ppl do you think are going to buy this game?

As I stated in another thread:  the damage has been done.  EA is trying to pick up the stragglers. 

And no you're not doing it.  Simply put: these keep selling despite complaints.

Modifié par Dude_in_the_Room, 15 avril 2012 - 10:44 .

[vertigo72]

All publicity is good publicity.

Retakers really helped to boost ME3 sales. Even my local newspaper published 5 articles about funny videogame fans, usually followed by a couple of trailers. I don't think Bioware is so rich to pay even small foreign local newspapers.

Modifié par vertigo72, 15 avril 2012 - 10:44 .

[AkiKishi]

vertigo72 wrote...

All publicity is good publicity.

Retakers really helped to boost ME3 sales. Even my local newspaper published 5 articles about funny videogame fans, usually followed by a couple of trailers.

Maybe for a celebrity, not for a product.

[vertigo72]

BobSmith101 wrote...

vertigo72 wrote...

All publicity is good publicity.

Retakers really helped to boost ME3 sales. Even my local newspaper published 5 articles about funny videogame fans, usually followed by a couple of trailers.

Maybe for a celebrity, not for a product.

For anything. It just works

[Krogangreetings]

Black plague!!!

the most popular disease, everyone has got it!!
see the shocking effects for yourself!!!

[AkiKishi]

vertigo72 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

vertigo72 wrote...

All publicity is good publicity.

Retakers really helped to boost ME3 sales. Even my local newspaper published 5 articles about funny videogame fans, usually followed by a couple of trailers.

Maybe for a celebrity, not for a product.

For anything. It just works

The long list of discontinued products and failed companies that have suffered bad publicity would dictate otherwise.

Take ME3 sales , they are extremely frontloaded and by AAA standards nothing special. The game was on sale in the UK 19 days after release and plenty of other places too. Even more after a month. That's not a success.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 15 avril 2012 - 10:56 .

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Krogangreetings wrote...

Black plague!!!

the most popular disease, everyone has got it!!
see the shocking effects for yourself!!!

This is actually quite accurate.

B/c neither the ad nor this analogy tells you to aquire it or implies that you should.

Modifié par Dude_in_the_Room, 15 avril 2012 - 10:56 .

[Farbautisonn]

vertigo72 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

vertigo72 wrote...

All publicity is good publicity.

Retakers really helped to boost ME3 sales. Even my local newspaper published 5 articles about funny videogame fans, usually followed by a couple of trailers.

Maybe for a celebrity, not for a product.

For anything. It just works

-Just like it Helped Nixon (Im not a crook), Clinton (I did not have sexual relations with that woman), Coke (sorry, old taste inc), Pepsi (choise of a new generation: Enter Mummyfied Tina Turner) etc? 

[Muhkida]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

You guys complained and complained and wouldn't let it go and they used it to their benefit.  I honestly don't believe anyone thought this wasn't a selling point for this game.

That's a risky business practice, sell something that a lot of people will be angry about once they use that product.  Then advertise about the reactions that's misleading to make the product look great.  This may have worked 20-25 years ago, but now "the word" spreads fast.

People who get fooled or screwed the first time they used a brand product tend to think twice before buying something else from that brand/company in the future.

HA!

You mean like when ppl complained about ME2 being dumbed down....then went out and bought DA2.....then complained about it sucking.....THEN went out and bought ME3......AND NOW say they might actually buy DLC that "helps" the ending.

Tell me another story.

Apples and oranges analogy seeing how I don't recall misleading advertisements to cover the "provoking" fan base reaction for ME2/DA2 unless you can prove it to me otherwise.

I didn't say it was a bad business practice, I just said it was risky...like a vanguard.  I just hope the stack of poop Bioware/EA is building doesn't fall over.

How is it apples and oranges???

You said less ppl wouldn't buy something if the company who made it did something the fanbase didn't agree with.

I just gave you 4 scenarios that show you this fanbase doesn't work like that.  I've found that gamers in general cry wolf....then when they really should have a backbone the cave.

COD is another example.  Everyone you talk to on the forums says "This isn't COC noob!" or "COD is the same ever year".  YET is is still one of the most popular selling games EVERY.....SINGLE.......YEAR.

Apparently I have to simplify...

Misleading advertisement from an American magazine company =/= fan-based criticism after playing the game

In case you don't see it, this propaganda tactic is mostly targeting those customers/gamers who aren't particularly getting themselves involved with games made recently by Bioware as of yet.... not those who already played the ME/DA series before.  By now, Bioware/EA already got their money from the latter.

That superior brain of yours should be able to figure out that I'm talking about you saying "ppl don't continue to buy things if said company pisses them off."

The ad itself is moot.  If my inferior mind can wrap around that...you certainly should be able to do so.

You should be able to figure out that I was talking about you saying "people complaining about ME2, and then bought DA2 etc"... see, I'm doing it to.

Somehow the people who were angry about ME2/DA2 are the same people who never touched a recent Bioware game before and may want to play ME3 because of the misleading advertisement.  I'm trying to tell you how that's not the case but you can't seem to wrap your mind around that.

Don't try to twist things and say "The ad itself is moot", seeing how it's a selling point (as you have said) and is the basis of our little argument.

Just how many more ppl do you think are going to buy this game?

- I don't know, I'm guessing a similar sales pattern as ME2?

As I stated in another thread:  the damage has been done.  EA is trying to pick up the stragglers. 

- I agree

And no you're not doing it.  Simply put: these keep selling despite complaints.

- Hope you're not implying that I thought I was....and I agree with the second sentence.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

You guys complained and complained and wouldn't let it go and they used it to their benefit.  I honestly don't believe anyone thought this wasn't a selling point for this game.

That's a risky business practice, sell something that a lot of people will be angry about once they use that product.  Then advertise about the reactions that's misleading to make the product look great.  This may have worked 20-25 years ago, but now "the word" spreads fast.

People who get fooled or screwed the first time they used a brand product tend to think twice before buying something else from that brand/company in the future.

HA!

You mean like when ppl complained about ME2 being dumbed down....then went out and bought DA2.....then complained about it sucking.....THEN went out and bought ME3......AND NOW say they might actually buy DLC that "helps" the ending.

Tell me another story.

Apples and oranges analogy seeing how I don't recall misleading advertisements to cover the "provoking" fan base reaction for ME2/DA2 unless you can prove it to me otherwise.

I didn't say it was a bad business practice, I just said it was risky...like a vanguard.  I just hope the stack of poop Bioware/EA is building doesn't fall over.

How is it apples and oranges???

You said less ppl wouldn't buy something if the company who made it did something the fanbase didn't agree with.

I just gave you 4 scenarios that show you this fanbase doesn't work like that.  I've found that gamers in general cry wolf....then when they really should have a backbone the cave.

COD is another example.  Everyone you talk to on the forums says "This isn't COC noob!" or "COD is the same ever year".  YET is is still one of the most popular selling games EVERY.....SINGLE.......YEAR.

Apparently I have to simplify...

Misleading advertisement from an American magazine company =/= fan-based criticism after playing the game

In case you don't see it, this propaganda tactic is mostly targeting those customers/gamers who aren't particularly getting themselves involved with games made recently by Bioware as of yet.... not those who already played the ME/DA series before.  By now, Bioware/EA already got their money from the latter.

That superior brain of yours should be able to figure out that I'm talking about you saying "ppl don't continue to buy things if said company pisses them off."

The ad itself is moot.  If my inferior mind can wrap around that...you certainly should be able to do so.

You should be able to figure out that I was talking about you saying "people complaining about ME2, and then bought DA2 etc"... see, I'm doing it to.

Somehow the people who were angry about ME2/DA2 are the same people who never touched a recent Bioware game before and may want to play ME3 because of the misleading advertisement.  I'm trying to tell you how that's not the case but you can't seem to wrap your mind around that.

Don't try to twist things and say "The ad itself is moot", seeing how it's a selling point (as you have said) and is the basis of our little argument.

Just how many more ppl do you think are going to buy this game?

- I don't know, I'm guessing a similar sales pattern as ME2?

As I stated in another thread:  the damage has been done.  EA is trying to pick up the stragglers. 

- I agree

And no you're not doing it.  Simply put: these keep selling despite complaints.

- Hope you're not implying that I thought I was....and I agree with the second sentence.

Just food for thought.....ME3 sold more during intial release than ME2.  So however that works into it.

[Gleym]

By which you're referring to pre-orders, which are never the best way to gauge the merits of a game, as it is simply riding on the waves of a prior success. It's like saying that because Star Wars: Episode One had so many Star Wars fans rushing to see it that it was a great movie, and not that it was simply because they were riding on the original trilogy's success.

[Muhkida]

Yeah I know. I wasn't being number specific (was being lazy).

I'm trying to say that the sales of ME3 would follow the similar patterns of ME2 or other AAA games. First 2-4 months are high, then the sales start to drop afterwards.... something like that.