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[Dragoonlordz]

Dridengx wrote...

""I work at a Videogame publisher" yeah, that sounds like a real winner I would believe in. he can't even form his sentence properly "I work for a video game publisher" 'at a" is more used for a video rental store or something. "I work at a Blockbuster"

Oh don't get me started on those who rent the game and whine about it...

Dumbest and most annoying thing I have read today is this.

Dragoonlordz wrote...

(removed so doesn't get classed as personal attack) wrote...

I sent a complaint to the FTC and BBB a couple days after I finished it. Even though I think a lawsuit could actually win in court I wouldn't file because: A. I rented the game.  B. I realize that even if I would win, it would take an enormous amount of money upfront to battle EA's stalling.  That's the downfall of the court system.  Even if you have a legitimate case, if the opposition has a ton of money they can stall for so long that you can't fiscally continue on.  

I did the max that was feasible.  Filed a complaint with the FTC and BBB and then continued to warn my friends about the ending so they wouldn't buy it.  

For someone who claims to be a large fan of the franchise, one who is so devoted enough to actually spend a month whining about it and also file FTC and BBB complaints. You have not paid Bioware a single penny in playing it and only paid a few dollars to a third party in order to temporarily rent in first place and never even bought the game to begin with. Yet wonder why people started calling members of anti-ending crowd self entitled...

The only way to come off worse in my perception is if a person admits to stealing a copy and then filing FTC and BBB complaints or trying to sue Bioware. But renting is only one stage above that and deserves the same level of facepalm.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 avril 2012 - 08:12 .

[Emzamination]

Dridengx wrote...

""I work at a Videogame publisher" yeah, that sounds like a real winner I would believe in. he can't even form his sentence properly "I work for a video game publisher" 'at a" is more used for a video rental store or something. "I work at a Blockbuster"<-- sounds more like him lol. good job Kbct, your self ownage always gives me laughs each day

Not gonna lie, this was very funny.

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

A complete full quote including all you replied to. Proved my point.

See post above.

As said proved my point, you used an unknown source quoted from some random anon on the internet as evidence to rebuke another person and further your stance and personal bias in that situation. A method you are willing to use and een here shown to use yet one you claim do not use.

True, is was a random anon in the comment section of an article that provides examples of why VGC estimates are not as good as NPD estimates. The comment confirmed what both the poster above me stated in that thread and what the article stated. The comment also confirmed why Microsoft uses NPD data instead of VGC data.

The comment is right.  Don't forget, VGC just chopped off 460K ME3 sales in one revision after NPD released their estimates. 20% off of North America alone.

You don't seem to be commenting about that.

Modifié par kbct, 15 avril 2012 - 08:14 .

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

A complete full quote including all you replied to. Proved my point.

See post above.

As said proved my point, you used an unknown source quoted from some random anon on the internet as evidence to rebuke another person and further your stance and personal bias in that situation. A method you are willing to use and een here shown to use yet one you claim do not use.

True, is was a random anon in the comment section of an article that provides examples of why VGC estimates are not as good as NPD estimates. The comment confirmed what both the poster above me stated in that thread and what the article stated. The comment also confirmed why Microsoft uses NPD data instead of VGC data.

The comment is right.  Don't forget, VGC just chopped off 460K ME3 sales in one revision after NPD released their estimates. 20% off of North America alone.

You don't seem to be commenting about that.

What VGC does after you had done such does not invalidate to my comment which is about what you did yet claimed did not.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 avril 2012 - 08:16 .

[Running Heron]

The ad is technically true but...I mean c'mon Bioware...really?

But kudos on spinning "90% of players hate the ending" to something ambiguously positive.

[FlashedMyDrive]

Running Heron wrote...

The ad is technically true but...I mean c'mon Bioware...really?

But kudos on spinning "90% of players hate the ending" to something ambiguously positive.

Marketing! Career of saints!

Modifié par FlashedMyDrive, 15 avril 2012 - 08:17 .

[kbct]

Emzamination wrote...

Not gonna lie, this was very funny.

Here is the comment again:

I work at a Videogame publisher and we definitely trust NPD more. Most people think NPD tends to under-report by at least 10% because their multiplier for Wal-Mart has a tendency to be off at the SKU level. VGChartz, on the other hand, is often referred to at the "Dirty Data" and people joke that the "data doesn't care where it came from."
 

And then look what happened. VGChartz revised DOWN their ME3 sales estimates. This was a couple days ago:



And this is today (which includes an additional week of sales):



Overall, VGC revised global March sales of ME3 down by 460,000 units.

Of course, the revision happened right after NPD released their sales estimates. Almost all the revisions downward in are in North America too. 

Modifié par kbct, 15 avril 2012 - 08:21 .

[Juustus]

Lolololol, smug PR bastards.

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

What VGC does after you had done such does not invalidate to my comment which is about what you did yet claimed did not.

The comment was right.

[Gatt9]

Dridengx wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

A complete full quote including all you replied to. Proved my point.

See post above.

As said proved my point, you used an unknown source quoted from some random anon on the internet as evidence to rebuke another person and further your stance and personal bias in that situation. A method you are willing to use and een here shown to use yet one you claim do not use.

he's extremely dense and wouldn't admit to his own name if you threw his birth certificate in his face. stop trying, he's already been exposed lol

That's kind of entertaining considering you're supporting someone who can't understand why VGChartz is a horrible source,  and the last time DragonlordZ was faced with EA's sales problems he went digging for a sales chart from anywhere so he could spin it into "ME3's selling great!".

His arguement was a chart from Finaland.

But then,  you've both achieved your tasks of derailing the threads about the ridiculous press release.  I caught that you were working the thread on the story board.

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

What VGC does after you had done such does not invalidate to my comment which is about what you did yet claimed did not.

The comment was right.

Your beginning to turn this into punch and judy.

He's behind you!

Oh no he's not...

Oh yes he is...

Oh no he's not...

etc etc.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 avril 2012 - 08:34 .

[kbct]

Gatt9 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

he's extremely dense and wouldn't admit to his own name if you threw his birth certificate in his face. stop trying, he's already been exposed lol

That's kind of entertaining considering you're supporting someone who can't understand why VGChartz is a horrible source,  and the last time DragonlordZ was faced with EA's sales problems he went digging for a sales chart from anywhere so he could spin it into "ME3's selling great!".

His arguement was a chart from Finaland.

But then,  you've both achieved your tasks of derailing the threads about the ridiculous press release.  I caught that you were working the thread on the story board.

And Dridengx was wrong about Xbox vs. North America sales data on VGC too. Never admitted it even though the information was staring him in the face:

http://social.biowar...5954/1#11366791

He's not a very fact-based poster.

Modifié par kbct, 15 avril 2012 - 08:32 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Gatt9 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

A complete full quote including all you replied to. Proved my point.

See post above.

As said proved my point, you used an unknown source quoted from some random anon on the internet as evidence to rebuke another person and further your stance and personal bias in that situation. A method you are willing to use and een here shown to use yet one you claim do not use.

he's extremely dense and wouldn't admit to his own name if you threw his birth certificate in his face. stop trying, he's already been exposed lol

That's kind of entertaining considering you're supporting someone who can't understand why VGChartz is a horrible source,  and the last time DragonlordZ was faced with EA's sales problems he went digging for a sales chart from anywhere so he could spin it into "ME3's selling great!".

His arguement was a chart from Finaland.

But then,  you've both achieved your tasks of derailing the threads about the ridiculous press release.  I caught that you were working the thread on the story board.

If have issue with me feel free to address me.

Like before it doesn't tend to go in your favor like earlier in this thread.

I never said it was the greatest source ever or best source, I said it was one of the only sources at the time. I also stated that both NPD and VGC are estimates and rely on assumption by way of extrapolating whatever samples they use. Most of my comments in all threads talk about using sources we have availible not ones we do not have.

With regard to the finland data it was not to prove one way or another anything except there is some positive articles and numbers out there. If you took offense at that fact then that is your problem.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 avril 2012 - 08:34 .

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Your beginning to turn this into punch and judge.

Except for some clowns in this thread, a reasonable person would read the article and see all the potential pitfalls VGC faces.

http://www.gamasutra...php?story=18919

Modifié par kbct, 15 avril 2012 - 08:35 .

[Emzamination]

kbct wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Not gonna lie, this was very funny.

Here is the comment again:

I work at a Videogame publisher and we definitely trust NPD more. Most people think NPD tends to under-report by at least 10% because their multiplier for Wal-Mart has a tendency to be off at the SKU level. VGChartz, on the other hand, is often referred to at the "Dirty Data" and people joke that the "data doesn't care where it came from."
 

And then look what happened. VGChartz revised DOWN their ME3 sales estimates. This was a couple days ago:



And this is today (which includes an additional week of sales):



Overall, VGC revised global March sales of ME3 down by 460,000 units.

Of course, the revision happened right after NPD released their sales estimates. Almost all the revisions downward in are in North America too. 

Even if your claim is somehow accurate, I'm not seeing the point of the Anonymous source.

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Your beginning to turn this into punch and judy.

Except for some clowns in this thread, a reasonable person would read the article and see all the potential pitfalls VGC faces.

I have confronted you on the first question, been proven correct that when you said you did not do something in fact you very much did so but now I have a second question which is why have you tried to derail the thread into a VGC vs NPD; simple deflection? When the thread is about OP image and have to wonder why Gatt is oblivious to this yet focuses on myself. The fact that he constantly refers to me not to the topic speaks volumes about his hypocrisy regarding derailing of topics themselves but that is something I have already just confronted him about above in my last post.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 avril 2012 - 08:40 .

[kbct]

Emzamination wrote...

Even if your claim is somehow accurate, I'm not seeing the point of the Anonymous source.

My claim is accurate. Just look at the data in my post. The comment was also accurate. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read the writing on the wall.

The fact that VGC just revised down their estimates in North America is more evidence - piled on a ton of evidence.

Next time, maybe you should consider the accuracy of a statement first.

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The fact that he constantly refers to me not to the topic speaks volumes about his hypocrisy regarding derailing of topics themselves but that is something I have already just confronted him about above in my last post.

At least my information is accurate. Remember when you were counting the sales on Amazon UK? You were wrong  both in your time and quantity estimates.

And then when we did the calculations ourselves, it turned out Amazon UK was only selling a couple thousand a month!

C'mon, Dragoonlordz!

[GiantSludgeMonster]

Drake_Hound wrote...

No there PR made tons of mistakes , infact so borderline mistakes . that I tought they would be scrapped ..

They cannot defend the bad ending decision in any logical way .
That doesn´t say PR crap ...

But this AD yeah well I have to give credit where credit belongs .

That is why the NO we wil NOT do ALTERNATE ending is such a PR failure .
Now offcourse they can spin around now and say see , we brought more public .
That is what cooperate pay them to do , so in a way they are just doing there job .

But sadly wish they could just invest those bonus into making a ending that fit the franchise.
But that is not there job . see reality .

It hurts to read your posts.

[Emzamination]

kbct wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Even if your claim is somehow accurate, I'm not seeing the point of the Anonymous source.

My claim is accurate. Just look at the data in my post. The comment was also accurate. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read the writing on the wall.

The fact that VGC just revised down their estimates in North America is more evidence - piled on a ton of evidence.

Next time, maybe you should consider the accuracy of a statement first.

A random Anonymous user proclaiming to work for a video game publisher (He doesn't even name I might add) in the comment section of a poorly formed article does not give accurate data in MY book, kbct.Also estimates are constantly in flux.

[Dragoonlordz]

kbct wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The fact that he constantly refers to me not to the topic speaks volumes about his hypocrisy regarding derailing of topics themselves but that is something I have already just confronted him about above in my last post.

At least my information is accurate. Remember when you were counting the sales on Amazon UK? You were wrong  both in your time and quantity estimates.

And then when we did the calculations ourselves, it turned out Amazon UK was only selling a couple thousand a month!

C'mon, Dragoonlordz!

Wrong.

My number on stock was right and they related to stock levels dropping over periods of time the only thing I got wrong is period of time between posts. But nice try. Your also mistaken in how many they sold per month, you guessed based on one seller out of 25 which were all selling the same product at the same time and tried to paint a false picture of Amazon sales basing your figures of a single seller stock dropping over that period of time. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 avril 2012 - 08:55 .

[Drake_Hound]

The claim is simple , that ME3 isn´t selling as high as expected.
Whatever the reason , it needs to beat the 2.5 million units sold .

Now with bad Press , bad mouth to mouth , it isn´t getting there .
Now even with origin ,if example somebody wanted to play ME3 .
Asked me what I feel about the game , Instead of you have to buy ,like in ME2.
I would say here borrow my copy ,cause I have no interest in playing it anymore .

That is a huge difference , in postive hype and negative hype .
The ending just ruined the game for many and it is all over the social media .
Now offcourse to reach the 2.5 million units ,
EA is confirming they are not going to change the ending in any other way even with Extended DLC .
So they do what they do best , advertise spread the word etc etc ...
Sadly they aren´t keeping up with the modern society , where the fanboi cannot explain .
Why a game is good , why a game is bad , why somebody should buy a product.
Especially those same people cannot form anything but 1 liner .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Why are you still arguing with kbct? He still claims that a poll that relies on self-selected respondents, allows multiple votes, and is advertised in a way to garner one specific result is just fine and dandy to be used as evidence.

I asked my old sociology professor about a hypothetical poll that was set up like that, and he told me "I wouldn't let a poll like that tell me what to have for lunch."

Modifié par Father_Jerusalem, 15 avril 2012 - 08:53 .

[kbct]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Why are you still arguing with kbct? He still claims that a poll that relies on self-selected respondents, allows multiple votes, and is advertised in a way to garner one specific result is just fine and dandy to be used as evidence.

I asked my old sociology professor about a hypothetical poll that was set up like that, and he told me "I wouldn't let a poll like that tell me what to have for lunch."

It's hilarious you post that in a thread based on this:

"So it makes sense that the ending of Mass Effect 3 has provoked a bigger fan reaction than any other videogame’s conclusion in the medium’s history."

[Father_Jerusalem]

kbct wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Why are you still arguing with kbct? He still claims that a poll that relies on self-selected respondents, allows multiple votes, and is advertised in a way to garner one specific result is just fine and dandy to be used as evidence.

I asked my old sociology professor about a hypothetical poll that was set up like that, and he told me "I wouldn't let a poll like that tell me what to have for lunch."

It's hilarious you post that in a thread based on this:

"So it makes sense that the ending of Mass Effect 3 has provoked a bigger fan reaction than any other videogame’s conclusion in the medium’s history."

Because most people don't give a crap. You're still a vocal minority, but a vocal minority that is screaming as loud as you can, for as long as you can. 

But that's a fact, and I don't expect you to acknowledge facts.