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[LegendaryBlade]

matthewmi wrote...

Point out something in the picture that isn't true, the end has provoked a huge reaction and it's received lots of perfect scores.

You realize that's what people are mad about right? The spinning?

Right?

[Blue Liara]

Bioware you are a disgrace. Seriously what the hell. You do not deserve to survive as a company.

[LadyofRivendell]

...Um, okay, cool, I got an email too. And what's the significance of this? Why are you guys making such a big deal?

[Phaedros]

Omega Torsk wrote...

Aweus wrote...

Pretty much.

It's almost like they're trying to get under our skin and upset us even more...

But it was only a vocal minority  they told us so...

[HoldTheLine]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

...Um, okay, cool, I got an email too. And what's the significance of this? Why are you guys making such a big deal?

Look at the Entertainment Weekly quote.  They fail to mention that the 'fan reaction' is seething rage <_<

[Fisto The Sexbot]

It's really not that big a deal.

[StElmo]

Phaedros wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

Aweus wrote...

Pretty much.

It's almost like they're trying to get under our skin and upset us even more...

But it was only a vocal minority  they told us so...

Good point

[Necrotron]

Obviously, it is not 'aimed' at us. It is aimed at new customers put off by the numerous negative reviews and fan recommendations out there, convincing them to buy it and see for themselves.

It is a question of who the message is targeted at, and they are not going to shoot their own product in the foot, and they want to respond to the inevitable feedback potential customers have received about Mass Effect.  They kept everything positive related to the trilogy, and don't assume that these players will dislike the ending, which is good, on their part.

It kinda feels marketed to the morbidly curious, who will want to 'know what all the fuss is about'.  Trust me, there is a market for that.

From our point of view, it feels like it is skewing our frustrations with the game and Bioware to market their product, but I am sure it wasn't their intention to upset us, it was just a side effect of responding to our criticisms of their product to potential customers and encouraging them to buy.

Modifié par Bathaius, 15 avril 2012 - 06:52 .

[TreguardD]

Bathaius wrote...

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From our point of view, it feels like it is skewing our frustrations with the game and Bioware to market their product, but I am sure it wasn't their intention to upset us, it was just a side effect of responding to our criticisms of their product to potential customers and encouraging them to buy.

...my sarcasm meter just went off the charts.

I'm going to go make new charts.

[Necrotron]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

 They fail to mention that the 'fan reaction' is seething rage <_<

Oh, they will find out soon enough.

Once they purchase the product.

Modifié par Bathaius, 15 avril 2012 - 06:55 .

[Blue Liara]

Bathaius wrote...

Obviously, it is not 'aimed' at us. It is aimed at new customers put off by the numerous negative reviews and fan recommendations out there, convincing them to buy it and see for themselves.

It is a question of who the message is targeted at, and they are not going to shoot their own product in the foot, and they want to respond to the inevitable feedback potential customers have received about Mass Effect.  They kept everything positive related to the trilogy, and don't assume that these players will dislike the ending, which is good, on their part.

It kinda feels marketed to the morbidly curious, who will want to 'know what all the fuss is about'.  Trust me, there is a market for that.

From our point of view, it feels like it is skewing our frustrations with the game and Bioware to market their product, but I am sure it wasn't their intention to upset us, it was just a side effect of responding to our criticisms of their product to potential customers and encouraging them to buy.

Your right it wasn't their intention to upset us. They just don't care about their fans that have supported them and allowed Mass Effect to be the success it has. Now they feel their fanbase is lost they are trying to cash in anyway they can. This shameful piece of Spin makes me furious.

If I had never played Mass Effect saw this e-mail and on the back of it then decided to play the entire triology and THEN got to the ending. I would be angry about the spin. 

[Gemini1179]

matthewmi wrote...

Point out something in the picture that isn't true, the end has provoked a huge reaction and it's received lots of perfect scores.

Let's be honest, the "Perfect" scores Mass Effect 3 has gotten are akin to the judges holding up a hastily written "10" at an elementary school talent show.

[HoldTheLine]

Bathaius wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

 They fail to mention that the 'fan reaction' is seething rage <_<

Oh, they will find out soon enough.

Once they purchase the product.

Good point, too bad they're gonna spend $60 or $40 to find that out

[LadyofRivendell]

Bathaius wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

 They fail to mention that the 'fan reaction' is seething rage <_<

Oh, they will find out soon enough.

Once they purchase the product.

Yeah, um, I never said that. But thanks for the quote?

Personally, it's almost fun to make you guys angry now. I dislike the ending as much as the next guy, but the fact that you people will rage over the tiniest little headline... Melodramatic much?

[Ryven]

Me: "Bioware. Oh you and your classic shenanigans."

Bioware shrugs and looks at the camera: "I guess that's speculation for ya"

Wom waaaaahhhnnnn and Cue laugh track

[Athlonis1]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Bathaius wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

 They fail to mention that the 'fan reaction' is seething rage <_<

Oh, they will find out soon enough.

Once they purchase the product.

Yeah, um, I never said that. But thanks for the quote?

Personally, it's almost fun to make you guys angry now. I dislike the ending as much as the next guy, but the fact that you people will rage over the tiniest little headline... Melodramatic much?

Perhaps. The rage has it's use however. Remember that it is easy to ignore reasoned opinion on the internet. It is also easy to ignore a few raging individuals. A large mob of raging people though? That is very difficult to ignore. While I condemn any of the more extreme reactions, the rage as a whole is useful.

Plus that email really is bull****.

Modifié par Athlonis1, 15 avril 2012 - 07:05 .

[Gemini1179]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Personally, it's almost fun to make you guys angry now. I dislike the ending as much as the next guy, but the fact that you people will rage over the tiniest little headline... Melodramatic much?

I'm in the "finding it all absurdly funny" stage myself. What's done is done and it is irredeemable. End of story. Things like this are funny though.

Especially when you consider the cut part of that quote is "As far as a universally terrible ending is concerned..."

[Saans Shadow]

Does anybody have a couple thanix cannons just...you know...lying around?

[UrgentArchengel]

Sorry EA/Bioware, the gig is up. You says of putting off you loyalist fans has gone far enough, stick 'em up and maybe this will end peacefully.

[Faded-Myth]

Phaedros wrote...
But it was only a vocal minority  they told us so...

Yeah. Gotta love that the people that hate the ending are a vocal minority, yet apparently we also caused the biggest commotion ever.

Seems legit.

[GuardianAngel470]

matthewmi wrote...

Point out something in the picture that isn't true, the end has provoked a huge reaction and it's received lots of perfect scores.

City University of New York said...

On the ethics of quoting:

While minor modifications are permissible, you must never present the quote in a manner that changes the author's original meaning. Especially if done with the purpose of distorting the author's intention and/or manufacturing support for an entirely different argument, intentionally changing the meaning of a quote is academically dishonest and risks severe penalty.

source

When an honest person quotes something, they don't change the meaning, they don't change the context, they don't change the quote to fit their needs. By using the quote above, EA/Bioware are attempting to argue for something the author of that quote was not.

Here's the full version with some added exposition:

Entertainment Weekly wrote...

So it makes sense that the ending of Mass Effect 3 has provoked a bigger fan reaction than any other videogame’s conclusion in the medium’s history. Because the Mass Effect franchise told one cohesive story across three games — roughly 120 to 150 hours of game play, probably longer than it would take to read the complete Lord of the Rings trilogy — the better comparison point is to one of the many long-running serialized narratives that have come to dominate the geeky end of the pop culture spectrum. Think of film trilogies or sci-fi TV shows or literary sagas; think The Matrix or Lost or Battlestar Galactica or The Dark Tower.

source

That's called dishonesty. We can see that intuitively, but I've just shown it to you with evidence.

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 15 avril 2012 - 07:10 .

[Sajuro]

Opsrbest wrote...

matthewmi wrote...

Point out something in the picture that isn't true, the end has provoked a huge reaction and it's received lots of perfect scores.

Potentially devestating and deadly consiquences, blah blah blah.

That is wrong since the game in no way other then secondary audio dialogue that can easily be missed explains or supports any reasonlable reason or showing of anything that you do in the game as far as decisions.

The Quarians dieing isn't a potentially devestating consequence? you monster
F*cking up in making choices and rushing through will get everyone killed, so it is a deadly consequence

[HoldTheLine]

Athlonis1 wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Bathaius wrote...

HoldTheLine wrote...

 They fail to mention that the 'fan reaction' is seething rage <_<

Oh, they will find out soon enough.

Once they purchase the product.

Yeah, um, I never said that. But thanks for the quote?

Personally, it's almost fun to make you guys angry now. I dislike the ending as much as the next guy, but the fact that you people will rage over the tiniest little headline... Melodramatic much?

Perhaps. The rage has it's use however. Remember that it is easy to ignore reasoned opinion on the internet. It is also easy to ignore a few raging individuals. A large mob of raging people though? That is very difficult to ignore. While I condemn any of the more extreme reactions, the rage as a whole is useful.

Plus that email really is bull****.

There, I fixed the quote Yeah, I think people shouldn't get too angry about this one little thing. I think we've all made our opinions now very clear, and whilst we have gained Bioware's attention, they're still gonna troll us no matter what now.  Let's face it, the Extended Cut DLC will probably feature Joker saying witty one liners making fun of us

[Torrible]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Personally, it's almost fun to make you guys angry now. I dislike the ending as much as the next guy, but the fact that you people will rage over the tiniest little headline... Melodramatic much?

They are raging so much that they can't even take a step back and realise how ridiculous their reaction is to any sane person. 

Modifié par Torrible, 15 avril 2012 - 07:16 .

[Doctoglethorpe]

goose2989 wrote...

Yup.  Pretty much that.