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[A_Great_Biotic_Wind]

Jack did annoy me in ME2, she just seemed really out of place on my squad.

And I have mixed feelings about Liara, I really like her character but she really annoyed the hell out of me with all her Asari superiority crap and I always felt like she though asari were more important or better than other races. Ex* Her whining on Thessia and whining about fighting a handful of banshees.

[Zany Jedi]

Vexille wrote...

Serp86 wrote...

Vexille wrote...

The difference between Jack and the others (with the exception of maybe morinth) Is that Jack killed for pleasure and was actually CONVICTED.

Noone is ordering Jack to do XYZ "for the greater good" or to "uphold justice". Jack kills because she enjoys it. Her and Morinth kill for kicks and fail to show redeeming qualities through ME2, I dont recall either of them showing remorse for the people they murdered.

And as Zix said... Jack was retconned and given an unrealistic position to fit her kameo into the game. I mean come on... even if you LIKE Jack you have to admit that the idea that the most prestigious school for gifted humans would let a convicted murderer and sociopath TEACH CHILDREN

I think they went overboard in ME2 with Jacks backstory. The Cerberus stuff was fine and her beeing a bit psycho because of it.  Making her criminally insane only made her totally unbelieveable as a squadmate.  There's no reason to allow a serial killer on the ship for a Paragorn Shepard. Morinth is different because you actively have to chose her so a "good" Shepard would just ignore this option.

The way they portrayed Jack in ME3 was unrealistic in regard to what she was in ME2 yes but they changed the character to something that is more believeable to be an assotiate of Shepard.

I agree entirely. She was an unbelievable squadmate in 2 so she was retconned in 3. I just dont agree with those saying "character progression". as she goes from insane pycho killer to "caring school teacher" in less then 6 months

You have to keep in mind that ME is a space opera.

Also, Jack was partners with someone who loved her and died to save her. She has extreme survivor's guilt because of that. There's your redeeming quality.

Modifié par Zany Jedi, 16 avril 2012 - 05:20 .

[Cyne]

LEAST FAVORITE:
Tali - her pilgrimage story bored me
Jack - nasty character.
Kai Leng - pointless antagonist that added nothing to the main story. Would've been more interesting if Miranda took his place.

NEUTRAL:
Zaeed - other than being the founder of the blue suns, added nothing
Ashley - she was cool in ME1, did a complete 180 in ME3. I hated her new hairstyle too. and what was up with her not trusting I was done with Cerberus?
Liara - basically forced upon the protagonist as a potential love interest. Initial meeting in ME1 was cute, though.
Allers - I liked the idea of a reporter on board, had the potential to pose a serious conflict of interest, but it amounted to nothing.. And that sexually provocative dress?? Bleh
Vega - "Dancing" was fun, but he was too new of a character to really get close to.
Cortez - Cardboard
Traynor - I liked Kelly better
Jacob - He was just "okay."
Grunt - a watered down version of Wrex

MOST FAVORITE:
Samara - Awesome character. Her meditating on the observation deck is one of my strongest memories of ME2. She reminded me a lot of Thane.
Morinth - Awesome too, but for other reasons lol. I liked her flirtatious non apologetic attitude.
Thane - his peaceful demeanor contrasted well with his occupation as an assassin. His back story was one of the most interesting.
Garrus - one of the few that was there from the beginning, one of the mostly genuinely loyal and funny, and a total badass to boot.
Wrex - at first didn't like him, but he grew on me, loved the silly "Wrex. Shepard." jokes on the internet, lol.
Kaiden - My LI. My renegade Shep couldn't help but fall for him. "I prefer more.. adventurous women." That stuck in my mind
Kasumi - Awesome ME2 side quest. I only wish she had more of a role. Her ability to vanish in combat proved useful, too.
EDI - Just a cool character, and one of the few (besides Legion) that proved not all synthetics are bad. Joker's affection for her was cute.
Miranda - didn't like her at first, but she got better over time. Her competence and intelligence were on par with Mordin's, but she was better looking
Mordin - He sings! He decimates Krogan populations! He cures Plagues! Mordin does it all.
Legion - Loved his voice, and his logical but still kind personality.
Joker - I wish there was an option to romance Joker, he was funny, and it would've made for some interesting dialogue between Shep and EDI.
Javik - Though I didn't expect Protheans to look anything like him, I liked his war-like attitude, it was similar to my Shep's.
Anderson - He was like a father figure. Grew to depend on him for a broader perspective.
Udina - "I demand Action!" Cool accent. I wish he hadn't turned in ME3.

Modifié par Cyne, 16 avril 2012 - 04:50 .

[Zix13]

Heretic19 wrote...

Zix13 wrote...


1. Hindsight is 20/20. She was on the verge of killing Miranda when you broke that up. It was quite clear that she was a danger to your mission given the fact that she a) is a psychopath has a personal hatred for cerberus and c) starts off by antagonizing everyone. Her appearence in ME3 is irrelevant since it is not even remotely similar to her ME2 personality. Why'd she help you? Because you made a deal with her when she got on your ship, betray cerberus for her help. 

2. She's killed many, many people and is a convicted criminal, so obviously not. She moves to kill Aresh.  Her first instinct is "kill this guy". She's confused. Left to her own devices it seems quite likely that she would have killed him. 

3. She's not killing people, shes not talking about killing people, she's not talking about how much her childhood sucked, she's not talking about how few ****s she gives. Pretty obvious that her character was retconned. Also, her Me3 appearence involved her being in a position she never would have been given had the writing made sense. 

We just don't see eye to eye on the subject, but by your logic Samara, Mordin and Grunt are just as bad if not worse. to me, all the characters in ME2 were set up to have serious problems, and you help them overcome so that they can give you their all. If you play the cards right, Jack becomes a serious team player by the end of the game. She just voices her opinion more and tends to have a more violent nature. I know women like this, I'm good friends one 

No. Mordin and Samara are trustworthy and not inherently violent. Grunt will follow Shep since he determines that is his purpose. Mordin and Samara are principled, Jack is not. Grunt you almost have a point, except that he's all "Glory in battle" not " Kill this dickbag" . His enemies are "worthy" enemies. He doesn't kill random civilians. Honestly, Jack is just as evil as Morinth, and far more unstable. 

Modifié par Zix13, 16 avril 2012 - 04:56 .

[tractrpl]

A_Great_Biotic_Wind wrote...

Jack did annoy me in ME2, she just seemed really out of place on my squad.

And I have mixed feelings about Liara, I really like her character but she really annoyed the hell out of me with all her Asari superiority crap and I always felt like she though asari were more important or better than other races. Ex* Her whining on Thessia and whining about fighting a handful of banshees.

I never felt that way. I can see she felt threatened by humanity and wanted to understand them better, but she didn't think she was superior. She say that being an asari had it's advantages and acknowledged the advantages of being human as well.

[Tom Lehrer]

tractrpl wrote...

I never felt that way. I can see she felt threatened by humanity and wanted to understand them better, but she didn't think she was superior. She say that being an asari had it's advantages and acknowledged the advantages of being human as well.

If you bring her to the ardat-yakshi monastery she nearly breaks down when she sees the huskified Asari...how long has she been seeing/fighting huskifed humans, turians, and baterians by this point? Then on Thessia she wont shut up about how could 'they let this happen' and at one point even says the Alliance should have sent support. The Human Alliance...you know the people who already lost their homeworld and are putting all of what is left of their resources to build the only thing that can win the war.

I dont mind her creepy stalker act that much but those two bits really show whats going in her head and is why she became one of my least favorite charaters in ME3.

[tractrpl]

She was used to seeing human husks, perhaps seeing asari husks brought reality home. Additionally, she was seeing her beliefs being turned upside down. I became an atheists slowly, and it was quite a disorienting experience. To see undeniable evidence that your entire religious beliefs are a total lie and to lose that faith in the span of just a few seconds would be difficult for anyone to experience.

[Tom Lehrer]

tractrpl wrote...

She was used to seeing human husks, perhaps seeing asari husks brought reality home. Additionally, she was seeing her beliefs being turned upside down. I became an atheists slowly, and it was quite a disorienting experience. To see undeniable evidence that your entire religious beliefs are a total lie and to lose that faith in the span of just a few seconds would be difficult for anyone to experience.

She still goes nuts even if your a Shepard that romanced her and if seeing your lovers own people be turned into monsters does not drive home this little fact I have to wonder what she really thinks about Shepard.

Her religious beliefs also play nothing into saying people who lost their homeworld and are the only ones working on the thing that can save everyone should just drop every theing to help her homeworld. She says this before you even get to the temple so her faith was just fine at the time.

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 16 avril 2012 - 08:05 .

[Heretic19]

Zix13 wrote...

Heretic19 wrote...

Zix13 wrote...


1. Hindsight is 20/20. She was on the verge of killing Miranda when you broke that up. It was quite clear that she was a danger to your mission given the fact that she a) is a psychopath has a personal hatred for cerberus and c) starts off by antagonizing everyone. Her appearence in ME3 is irrelevant since it is not even remotely similar to her ME2 personality. Why'd she help you? Because you made a deal with her when she got on your ship, betray cerberus for her help. 

2. She's killed many, many people and is a convicted criminal, so obviously not. She moves to kill Aresh.  Her first instinct is "kill this guy". She's confused. Left to her own devices it seems quite likely that she would have killed him. 

3. She's not killing people, shes not talking about killing people, she's not talking about how much her childhood sucked, she's not talking about how few ****s she gives. Pretty obvious that her character was retconned. Also, her Me3 appearence involved her being in a position she never would have been given had the writing made sense. 

We just don't see eye to eye on the subject, but by your logic Samara, Mordin and Grunt are just as bad if not worse. to me, all the characters in ME2 were set up to have serious problems, and you help them overcome so that they can give you their all. If you play the cards right, Jack becomes a serious team player by the end of the game. She just voices her opinion more and tends to have a more violent nature. I know women like this, I'm good friends one 

No. Mordin and Samara are trustworthy and not inherently violent. Grunt will follow Shep since he determines that is his purpose. Mordin and Samara are principled, Jack is not. Grunt you almost have a point, except that he's all "Glory in battle" not " Kill this dickbag" . His enemies are "worthy" enemies. He doesn't kill random civilians. Honestly, Jack is just as evil as Morinth, and far more unstable. 

I think she's actually incredibly emotional and loyal depending on A)How she is treated by peers and b)What her relationship is to you. Obviously an insult is not what I'm aiming at here, but I find it interesting how your black-n-white thinking with Jack can reason Samara's need to kill whoever stands in her way and Mordin's biological genocide. Is not a murder a murder? At which point does one say, "This killing of innocents is fine, but this incident is not." I think that you may have just been subjectively irked by what her character stands for, which I would probably cast along the lines of Anarchism, Crime, or just plain Naivety. But I am also not you and cannot put words in your mouth.

[Kingofdragoons]

Not even going to mention the name of the bimbo reporter she doesnt even deserve that. Least favorite had to be Jacob, he was bland like plain oatmeal.

[Joe Del Toro]

Has to be Vega for me. Useful in combat, but my god so uninteresting as a character. I appreciate he's there to help new fans to the franchise, but I always think if you're coming into a series at the third game, you're never going to fully get it without the first two anyway. Beyond that he's irritating. Not a single 'joke' of his made me laugh. I know storywise it probably wasn't viable, but I was desperate for Wrex to be back in the squad and instead I get this arrogant moron I wouldn't even consider being friends with in real life. Real waste of a character

[Adam2190]

Allers, no explanation needed.

[Echo_V]

Uhm, Allers? and Kelly Chambers, she's just so....wierd xD

[Sarah_SR2]

Allers and Vega. Would have loved to have tossed their sorry arses out of the airlock.

[Filby08]

Allers, hands down. The character had no business being in the game and it just reminds me how much integrity Bioware seems to have lost. Also, having such a terrible voice actor next to powerhouses like Martin Sheen, Jen Hale and Keith David is mean.

Kelly Chambers. Just, no. Traynor was a breath of fresh air after dealing with that.

Kai Leng. I know we're supposed to hate him as a character, but to me he feels like he was modded into the game by a fan who was desperate for a Sci Fi/Kung Fu crossover. He just didn't fit.

I don't get the Vega hate, but I admit I could have lived without him.

[Shajar]

Liara squadmember
Kai Leng wannabe boss
Casey Hudson and Mac Walters Bioware

[Star Mischief 42]

JAMES VEGA - easily....BLEAH!

also every member of the Council in ME1 and ME2 ha ha...they finally start to come around in ME3

Kelly Chambers did get annoying....Kai Leng? Ling? only because there is no depth to his character in ME3.....I don't know enough about him.....

I have to chime in with some love for Jack....she is one of my favorites....

[ImperatorMortis]

If your talking about companions. Then its a tie between Kaiden, and Ashley. If I could have them both die on Virmire I would.

If your talking about characters in general Its once again a tie(unsurprisingly between humans).

Udina, and Kai Leng.

Kai Leng because he's a bigot, sociopath, and a Raiden(MGS4)wannabe.

Udina, because even after I trusted him to do a good job on my Paragade manshep the bastard ending up working for Cerberus, I shot that bastard. I shot him with glee.

Edit: Actually I hate the Illusive man the most. I don't know why I didn't say that in the first place. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 16 avril 2012 - 06:43 .

[Pelle6666]

Stargazer and the stupid kid.

[Element Zero]

Allers, Kai Leng and Ashley, if we're talking about crew and foes. Obviously, Star-Jar takes the top spot, if we allow all NPCs.

Modifié par tallrickruush, 16 avril 2012 - 06:47 .

[Zix13]

Heretic19 wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Heretic19 wrote...

Zix13 wrote...


1. Hindsight is 20/20. She was on the verge of killing Miranda when you broke that up. It was quite clear that she was a danger to your mission given the fact that she a) is a psychopath has a personal hatred for cerberus and c) starts off by antagonizing everyone. Her appearence in ME3 is irrelevant since it is not even remotely similar to her ME2 personality. Why'd she help you? Because you made a deal with her when she got on your ship, betray cerberus for her help. 

2. She's killed many, many people and is a convicted criminal, so obviously not. She moves to kill Aresh.  Her first instinct is "kill this guy". She's confused. Left to her own devices it seems quite likely that she would have killed him. 

3. She's not killing people, shes not talking about killing people, she's not talking about how much her childhood sucked, she's not talking about how few ****s she gives. Pretty obvious that her character was retconned. Also, her Me3 appearence involved her being in a position she never would have been given had the writing made sense. 

We just don't see eye to eye on the subject, but by your logic Samara, Mordin and Grunt are just as bad if not worse. to me, all the characters in ME2 were set up to have serious problems, and you help them overcome so that they can give you their all. If you play the cards right, Jack becomes a serious team player by the end of the game. She just voices her opinion more and tends to have a more violent nature. I know women like this, I'm good friends one 

No. Mordin and Samara are trustworthy and not inherently violent. Grunt will follow Shep since he determines that is his purpose. Mordin and Samara are principled, Jack is not. Grunt you almost have a point, except that he's all "Glory in battle" not " Kill this dickbag" . His enemies are "worthy" enemies. He doesn't kill random civilians. Honestly, Jack is just as evil as Morinth, and far more unstable. 

I think she's actually incredibly emotional and loyal depending on A)How she is treated by peers and b)What her relationship is to you. Obviously an insult is not what I'm aiming at here, but I find it interesting how your black-n-white thinking with Jack can reason Samara's need to kill whoever stands in her way and Mordin's biological genocide. Is not a murder a murder? At which point does one say, "This killing of innocents is fine, but this incident is not." I think that you may have just been subjectively irked by what her character stands for, which I would probably cast along the lines of Anarchism, Crime, or just plain Naivety. But I am also not you and cannot put words in your mouth.

I've listed my problems with her personality earlier in this thread, mostly centered around the fact that she is psychotic. Samara isn't so different than Shepard, though less merciful to defeated enemies, which is not necessarily a bad thing, just practical. Mordin did not commit any "Genocide". The goal, which appeared to be succesful, was to stabalize the krogan population. And chances are he was right to do so. You meet maybe 2 krogan that don't want to kill everyone else in the galaxy, and Wrex only assumed power after Mordins work. So ya, Mordin was entirely justified, in fact, killing the krogan off at the end of the krogan rebellions would have been justified, since they just tried to do that to everyone else. Not saying I agree with it, but it's not difficult to argue. Jack just kills "cuz". 

[inusannonn]

Diane Allers (Chobot)

Poorly drawn, worthless and awful dialog. Also there is no punch the reporter on the spin wheel.

Although I did like the last email Chobot sent to the bridge just before priority earth. That email was nice, very nice. Anything else before that? well..... it is what it is. 

It would not surprise me if Bioware places Chobot Allers in every me3 dlc and in the end stuffs her into a cryo chamber to preserve Allers for the future spin off of the franchise.

The time/money spent on development of Chobot Allers could have gone into better development closure for the MassEffect 3 ending. Prob wouldnt be in the situation "extended cut".

The opinions by word of mouth of the consumer will always trump the opinion of the paid review critic.

And loyal fans (consumers) will forever be a companys greatest war asset.

Modifié par inusannonn, 17 avril 2012 - 08:25 .

[thebigbad1013]

Allers and Starchild. Starchild for obvious reasons and Allers because it's a new character who fills a role that quite easily could, and rightfully should, have been filled by an already established character like Emily Wong. Add to that that Chobot's voice acting was mediocre at best and that the character really doesn't add anything to the game (except for pandering to ign) and Allers becomes a natural choice for me.

[fuellenbach]

Starchild goes without saying. Still don't get what they were thinking that this would be a good idea, especially so late in the game. And then give him all but 14 lines of dialogue, and have my Shepard just accept it.. yeah


Otherwise, in no particular order:

- Samara. Way to fanatical in my opinion, how did she get off the Thessia in the first place without causing a massacre due to her code remains a mystery to me. Maybe suicide is a good choice for her, hmm, we see next time I get to the monastery.

- Jack in ME2. I really tried to understand her, and she did have a horrible childhood to put it mildly, but she was really getting on my nervers in ME2. I absolutely loved the changed to her in ME3 though. The way she looked after her pupils was heart touching.

- Zaaed: Should have let him burn at the refinery. That's not how you run things with my Shepard. Still, he had some good lines my Shepard agreed with "cheap labor he said.. goddamn terroist I sad". Never liked the Batarians. Glad I could finally shot down the guy from Bring down the Sky in the end, since I let him escape in ME1 to save the hostages.

- Ashley: Mildy annoying in ME1, wanted to punch her in M2 for that scene in the colony after the collectors attack, and in ME3 it got worse. "I need to be sure Shepard that you don't work for Cerberus" "I don't" "Ok, I want to trust you, but I need to be sure..." Aaarghh.

-Vega: Where was my renegade option to kick him in the nuts for all his sexist comments "fill out that uniform like nobodys business".. yeah right!. That is one character my Shepard would gotten killed if possible. I hate man like that. And hated the game for forcing my Shepard to flirt with such a pig with no control from me.

- Jacob: no real hate, but just meh boring character that I wouldn't miss. His loyalty mission was disgusting, treating women that way. I let his dad get killed by the Hunters. Suicide was too good for that bastard.