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[Nintygold]

People really think EA would shut down a company earning such a satisfying amount of money?

Haha


When/if they dry out financially it would be my dream to see Bioware saved by something like Ninte... Um, Microsoft.

[slimgrin]

I think it would be best for gamers and maybe for the industry as well. Studios dissolve quite frequently which only means the talent goes somewhere else. And there's no dearth of talent at Bioware ( even if it may not be in the writing dept. anymore)

So this talent working under a different publisher would be a good thing. Or hell, maybe some would even start their own studio. Similar circumstances brought us Hard Reset last year.

Modifié par slimgrin, 15 avril 2012 - 03:13 .

[Blastback]

I'm hoping Bioware and EA take the hint and stop making the mistakes they have been lately. I don't want to see them close down, I want to see them improve.

[MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES]

Blastback wrote...

I'm hoping Bioware and EA take the hint and stop making the mistakes they have been lately. I don't want to see them close down, I want to see them improve.

THIS. IF PEOPLE DIDN'T THINK BIOWARE GAMES HAD POTENTIAL, THEY WOULDN'T BE AS INVESTED IN CRITIQUING THEM.

[Volus Warlord]

1.) EA would shut down Bioware over $$ reasons and $$ reasons alone.

2.) I would not bat an eye if Bioware was shut down tomorrow. That may even be for the best. It may leave their IPs relatively intact, as opposed to the systematic rape that is going on now.

[Nintygold]

slimgrin wrote...

I think it would be best for gamers and maybe for the industry as well. Studios dissolve quite frequently which only means the talent goes somewhere else. And there's no dearth of talent at Bioware ( even if it may not be in the writing dept. anymore)

So this talent working under a different publisher would be a good thing. Or hell, maybe some would even start their own studio. Similar circumstances brought us Hard Reset last year.

Bizarre Creations can be a good example of this. Plenty Of its staff after closure went to form Lucid Games, with a rumoured racing title due for a reveal soon.

Modifié par Nintygold, 15 avril 2012 - 03:16 .

[Blastback]

MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES wrote...

Blastback wrote...

I'm hoping Bioware and EA take the hint and stop making the mistakes they have been lately. I don't want to see them close down, I want to see them improve.

THIS. IF PEOPLE DIDN'T THINK BIOWARE GAMES HAD POTENTIAL, THEY WOULDN'T BE AS INVESTED IN CRITIQUING THEM.

I've been quoted!  Yay!

[bmwcrazy]

Fieryeel wrote...

Then you are not an immature brat.

Because as seen from that past thread, there were people who genuinely wanted Bioware staff to lose their jobs and suffer for ME3's ending.

On the other hand, there are also many pro-enders who believe you don't deserved to be called a Bioware fan unless you are willing to love Bioware unconditionally, including ME3's crappy ending.

Modifié par bmwcrazy, 15 avril 2012 - 03:22 .

[Blastback]

bmwcrazy wrote...

Fieryeel wrote...

Then you are not an immature brat.

Because as seen from that past thread, there were people who genuinely wanted Bioware staff to lose their jobs and suffer for ME3's ending.

On the other hand, there are also many pro-enders who believe you don't deserved to be called a Bioware fan unless you are willing to love Bioware unconditionally, including ME3's crappy ending.

There's plenty of jerks on both sides of the issue.  And they are vocal enough to make it hard for the rest of us to get along.

[CrazyRah]

No matter how much i actually dislike what they did with ME3 would i never want them to lose their jobs, it's hard enough to get a job today and i don't feel that they deserve to be thrown into that hell

[Captain Crash]

Melodramatic


Bioware have created a great trilogy, 120 odd hours of enjoyment and people want people fired (expect the studio to close ect ect) because they misjudged some peoples reaction to the last 10 minutes.  If anything this shows how great Bioware are for us to care so much about their games people are this emotional about the end.  

[CroGamer002]

No.

I don't want people fired over this.

OK, I lie, I want 2 specific guys fired.

But otherwise, no.

There's no point.

[Fraevar]

Please desist with the melodrama.

Whatever happened with the end of ME3, I'd never wish for someone to lose their jobs over it. Reconsider their priorities and the quality of their work? Yes. Lose their jobs? No.

[Heather Cline]

I am not a proponent of wanting a company to shut down because of a bad product. However many companies do get shut down because of that. Or they have to stop selling said product and do a recall and give refunds.

If they do get shut down it will be because of the market not because of the fans. It will be because of EA and their decision alone. I however will not buy DLC or buy future games from BioWare because of the lies they fed us. DA2 was a load of lies and the game was rushed, thrown out in a beta stage with all the bugs, no pollish and it was just horrible. ME2 though had some pollish was garnered towards the shooter crowd and casual crowd not towards those who liked ME1 or the other games they came out with before. ME3 is just as bad as ME2 if not worse.

The trend is getting pretty familiar. Streamlining, buggy games, not delivering on promises and so on and so forth. EA is doing this to BioWare not BioWare themselves. So it really is EA's fault as much as it is BioWare's fault for letting EA do it to them.

I never stated I wanted the company to shut down or people to lose their jobs. However if it happens I won't take the blame for taking my money elsewhere because they lied to me and many other fans.

Modifié par Heather Cline, 15 avril 2012 - 03:55 .

[The Jackal]

EA won't close down bioware. They only bought the company a few years ago for a considerable amount of money. Granted some people have mixed feelings about their games ever since DA2 and now on the ME3 which made your choices throughout the entire seasons pretty much mean nothing.

People care about games with a passion they have an emotional attachment to them. If we did not care we would not say anything. Some of these mistakes makes you wonder even some of the most casual gamers could notice the lack of maps in DA2. A huge difference from Orgins where you moved around more and had a more in depth companion banter.

I never knew much about Bioware untill Knights of Old Repiblic. I was hooked on that game. I only knew of Orgins the day that it came out. Now though I notice a massive difference to what got me hooked and what's failing.

I much rather have a more in depth banter with companions. Like with Morrgian and Allister did back and forth that made it interesting. Then mind blowing combat and updated graphics. That's just IMO.

Closing a company they just bought would most likely send their stocks downwards and their company itself would suffer. EA is merged with Bioware to shut them down is like to shut down their own company.

[Heather Cline]

EA isn't merged with BioWare, EA owns BioWare, Jason. They did not do a merger, they did a buy out. Never once did they merge with the company. So EA can easily liquidate BioWare at any given time at any point in time when ever they so choose.

[The Jackal]

Heather Cline wrote...

EA isn't merged with BioWare, EA owns BioWare, Jason. They did not do a merger, they did a buy out. Never once did they merge with the company. So EA can easily liquidate BioWare at any given time at any point in time when ever they so choose.

Then I stand corrected Heather. EA could so if it chooses to scrap Bioware off for parts like a car. I really think they would not make their stock holders happy since they bought the company. Even if some of their recent games have not been what the fans have been expecting. As long as they maintain interest and generate profit then I do not see them closing it.

Though if this type of thing does even drift into DA3 or whatever games they decide to release next. Then it could be a very obvious problem. We adore Bioware games and never would wish them shut down. We just had a few issues with some their recent games that we hope they take into feedback.

Making choices matter(I don't care about the Mass Effect wheel in DA2. I much rather my choice have a pround impact on story then replying with a witty line)

More of what was in orgins. DA2 was supposed be the superior game but to me I much rather play Orgins that's just IMO.

[AkodoRyu]

I'm sorry, what? A company getting rid of their only RPGish division? Hmm. Nope?

@down: oh gawd, didn't made my homework, did I ^^ But no, I still don't think so.

Modifié par AkodoRyu, 15 avril 2012 - 04:30 .

[Chromie]

AkodoRyu wrote...

I'm sorry, what? A company getting rid of their only RPGish division? Hmm. Nope?

Oh you mean like a company get rid of one the best strategy studio ever? Westwood.
or Maxis which created a much love franchise and had Spore killed by EA.

Don't think EA won't close them if profits don't stay up.

Modifié par Skelter192, 15 avril 2012 - 04:25 .

[M Hedonist]

Yes

By this point, the company we've once known as Bioware doesn't even exist anymore. If anything they're the Artists formerly known as Bioware.

Modifié par Sauruz, 15 avril 2012 - 04:22 .

[android654]

Skelter192 wrote...

AkodoRyu wrote...

I'm sorry, what? A company getting rid of their only RPGish division? Hmm. Nope?

Oh you mean like a company get rid of one the best strategy studio ever? Westwood.
or Maxis which created a much love franchise and had Spore killed by EA.

Don't think EA won't close them if profits don't stay up.

In other words, fans don't let devs go EA.

[Sajji]

If Curt Schilling was smart, he'd stay eighty years away from EA from now on.

38 Studios made a good game in KoA: Reckoning, and while not great per se, its still good and there is loads of potential for 38 Studios. Especially since most of the dev team never made an RPG before but were developers of RTS games.

If Reckoning came out two years apart from the mammoth juggernaut and glorious The Elder Scrolls, there would have been many more day one purchasers (me included).

I still bought new to support 38 but TES made me wait for a price drop.

[Blastback]

You forgot Pandemic

[OrnluWolfjarl]

If fans are angry, it's because Bioware either failed to deliver on its promises or really isn't worth its salt. I respect previous BW games, like Kotor, and the previous ME games were pretty amazing and among my favourites. However, lately BW has started going downhill, with a mediocre Dragon age 2 and the poor ending it provided in ME3. Claiming stuff like "artistic integrity" and "respecting the artistic vision of the creators" is absolute **** in my book. A game can be art, however as long as I pay for it it's also a product. As long as it doesn't deliver what I expect from it, as promised from its description (in this case the dev comments before the game's release) then I'd be demanding my money back. In this case, an epic saga ended with a cliffhanger, after letting you choose 1 out of 3 really bad and retarded choices. This is not how an epic saga is supposed to end. If they want to incorporate a couple endings that end like that, among a multitude of different endings I wouldn't complain. Hell, they can even say that "this is the canon endings for us". But the lack of choosing the destiny of my own Shepard after 3 games build up the idea that you are not just following a storyline, but rather building your own with diverse choices that affect the future story, is insulting and in my opinion ruins whatever art lies within Mass Effect. If the artistic message of mass effect is: "whatever you do in life, you'll end up dead and your hard work means nothing" then they succeeded and it's a pretty ****** artistic message.

I respect BioWare, and want to believe that it was EA that caused all this trouble on them with practices that aimed at milking money from the wallets of loyal fans. I certainly don't want to see BioWare shut down, but I certainly want to see EA shut down or change completely its agenda of not respecting its customers. Frankly, the fact they were voted worst company in America by the Consumerist is enough indication that BioWare isn't to blame in this case, but rather it's EA.

I don't want to see anyone lose their jobs, but the last year or so, BW has done one PR mistake after another, further alienating its loyal fans and ending up from one of the most respected companies to one that has fans calling out for people to be fired. So please fix this BW, I don't know how, but here's a hint: Listen to your fans, and for starters, incorporate new endings in ME3 and stop giving us more of the ending we already told you we didn't like!



EDIT: Also some people want to go ahead and blame fans for complaining. It's not the fans you should be looking at. Sure, some are immature and childish in voicing their complaints, but you gotta think what has caused all this bad critiscism: Are the fans always complaining for every game ever released? No, it's an outcry to a failure on the part of BioWare to deliver a satisfying ending to ME3 (also to ruining the dragon age sequel and a few other things). Ultimately, it's not BioWare's fault. After taking a look at the history EA has of buying successful and innovative gaming companies and then proceeding to milk them dry, fire everyone that disobeys them and then dissolving them, I have to say the future is bleak for BW. If EA shuts it down, it's not gonna be because of the fans outcry, but because of EA's own bad practices and their own known attitude of interfering in good games to make as much money as possible from as wide an audience as possible and then proceeding to blame the daughter-company for the game's errors.

Modifié par OrnluWolfjarl, 15 avril 2012 - 07:00 .

[Rockworm503]

 No why would I be satisfied?  For me Bioware is already gone.  they've been completely swallowed into EA's gapping maw its disgusting seeing history repeat itself over and over.
Bioware didn't deserve this EA does.