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[Rockworm503]

Garethj17 wrote...

i wont, bioware are my fav company and if EA do close it down im going to blame it on those who support reetake mass effect.

Really?  Your going to blame it on unhappy customers and not the big giant corperation that actually does it?
http://videogames.me...off-developers/

[Rockworm503]

Skelter192 wrote...

I'd think I'd laugh. I don't want Bioware to close but maybe if they were free from EA they could be free to do what they want.

Didn't Obsidian come from members of Black Isle studios?
Hint hint Bioware.
Leave EA and make a new company it happens all the time.

[Nashiktal]

Fieryeel wrote...

Continuing this thread > 
http://social.biowar.../index/11344325 
Will you guys finally say, "Hah! Bioware deserved it for f**king up my ending!" or "Bioware should have been closed down for delivering false promises."

So many fans are already declaring they will never fork out another cent for a ME3 DLC, or another Bioware game, some even lodging official complains or attempting to put billboards up to protest about the ending. It's all nothing but bad press for EA and making Bioware look bad.

In the unfortunate event if EA closes Bioware down because of so many fans complaining, will you guys be satisfied at last? Note: I mean EA stripping Bioware of its most talented developers, filing them into its other divisions and throwing out the rest.

(This thread is directed at the people who are especially vocal about their hatred of the ending, or of Bioware in general)

Of course I would be sad. While I am dissatisfied with bioware in their current state, and thus my newfound reluctance to purchase anything from them in the near future, doesn't mean I want them to dissapear completely.

But what can I do? Do you want me to buy products I am dissatisfied with? To support a developer with my money (which I don't exactly have a lot of) just because they might go under when people don't buy their DLC?

No thank you. 

Its all moot anyways, bioware made enough money on ME3, and have other projects currently in the works that will be released and bought by others. (Command and Conquer anyone?) They won't go under JUST because of ME3. 

Bioware also has enough casual fans that it won't matter if the hardcore abandon them, it will just change the way they do business.

[Hakwam]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

I'd think I'd laugh. I don't want Bioware to close but maybe if they were free from EA they could be free to do what they want.

Didn't Obsidian come from members of Black Isle studios?
Hint hint Bioware.
Leave EA and make a new company it happens all the time.

BIS was closed down, no one just quit and formed Obsidian. If EA continues to make bad games, this will be bioware's fate. 

Modifié par Hakwam, 15 avril 2012 - 08:49 .

[Deviija]

Goodness, no. I do not want BioWare to close down. I'd never wish unemployment and fiscal instability on any person or family.

However, should a company be held to criticisms and improvements of their product(s)? Certainly. It is something to continually improve upon, not fold up shop and slap a big 'the end' sticker on everything over one specific product. That solves nothing. If there are issues with a product, hold people accountable for their oversight within the company if it comes to it, and switch leadership positions, and actively work with a fanbase that is loyal rather than trying to nab the 'everybody' market.

[OrnluWolfjarl]

After what happened to Westwood and Maxis, I wonder why companies are still so stupid as to go ahead and join the rEApers. Indoctrination maybe?? We need a gaming Commander Shepard to save us!

SPOILER ALERT:
I think EA forced the ending of ME3 on BW as a premonition of the future. You'll see, we'll read in the news one day:
"BioWare CEO is presented with 3 choices by EA: Try to destroy EA but everything he loves will be killed in the process, try to control EA but he will be indoctrinated if he tries, merge BioWare with EA completely and lose all freedom for ever"

Modifié par OrnluWolfjarl, 16 avril 2012 - 12:20 .

[AxisEvolve]

I don't enjoy seeing things of once great quality slip into mediocrity. It's like the show House, which was great for several seasons, but now on it's 8th season it's just terrible.

Do I want people at Bioware to lose their jobs? Hell no. Do I want the studio's legacy to be great instead of average? Yes.

I have no idea what will happen next. But hopefully it will be for the best.

[TJPags]

Game studio makes games people don't like.
People stop buying those games.
Studio closes.

That's somehow the fault of the fans?

Maybe I'm missing something here. The job of any business is to provide a product that people want. If any business consistently provides a product most people do NOT like, it will lose money. Businesses which lose money generally close.

Personally, I don't care much whether Bioware exists or not. If they make games I like, I'll buy them. If they don't, I won't. If they make games I like and they get shut down, I'll buy games I like from some other company. If they make games I don't like, I won't buy them even if they stay in operation. And if they close at that point, since I don't like what they're making, so what?

[fixit6]

BW has not been same since EA took over...and not a good change either.

Don't want to see BW disolved, rather see them become their own company again and not a puppet of an evil corp.

But alas, that will never happen. Oh well.

Modifié par fixit6, 16 avril 2012 - 02:50 .

[Monica83]

Well if a company goes from sell a nice rpg to sell a sort of dumbed down interactive movies i don't see the reason to be sad if EA close it...

Don't get me bad.. But bioware didin't act well like now... Is a sort of PR lies to sell unfinished rushed and dumbed down games...

Many old fans feel betrayed.. So at that point if bioware close.. well i feel sad but they wanted this

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

TJPags wrote...

Game studio makes games people don't like.
People stop buying those games.
Studio closes.

That's somehow the fault of the fans?

Maybe I'm missing something here. The job of any business is to provide a product that people want. If any business consistently provides a product most people do NOT like, it will lose money. Businesses which lose money generally close.

Personally, I don't care much whether Bioware exists or not. If they make games I like, I'll buy them. If they don't, I won't. If they make games I like and they get shut down, I'll buy games I like from some other company. If they make games I don't like, I won't buy them even if they stay in operation. And if they close at that point, since I don't like what they're making, so what?

This.

While it's obviously not nice to see people lose their jobs, this is what it ultimately comes down to.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 16 avril 2012 - 01:59 .

[Tonymac]

Fieryeel wrote...

Continuing this thread > 
http://social.biowar.../index/11344325 
Will you guys finally say, "Hah! Bioware deserved it for f**king up my ending!" or "Bioware should have been closed down for delivering false promises."

So many fans are already declaring they will never fork out another cent for a ME3 DLC, or another Bioware game, some even lodging official complains or attempting to put billboards up to protest about the ending. It's all nothing but bad press for EA and making Bioware look bad.

In the unfortunate event if EA closes Bioware down because of so many fans complaining, will you guys be satisfied at last? Note: I mean EA stripping Bioware of its most talented developers, filing them into its other divisions and throwing out the rest.

(This thread is directed at the people who are especially vocal about their hatred of the ending, or of Bioware in general)

In short, no.  I will still not be happy if they fired the entire Bioware staff, from the managers, executives to the writers.

The ending to the series / trilogy is so bad that it people deserve to lose their jobs - they deserve the bad press, and they do not deserve the cash that I put into the game.  I got robbed because I was a dummy and bought the CE.  I thought that a purchase made on faith would be returned as an epic piece of work.  I'm the one (and people like me) who entitle Bioware/EA.  They sat there and laughed, guffawed, and cried tears of joyous disbelief at all of the cash we threw at them. 

But I am learning.   I can see that the ratings industry is a sham.  They all gave the game PERFECT scores.  Everyone said go buy this game ZOMG it is filled up with awesomesauce and is perfect!!!!  Even after we showed Bioware/EA through polls and complaints - the game editors stared at us like WE were the ones that were wrong.  They are STILL trying to stand behind this garbage.

I can clearly see that the game reviewers are in bed with the producers.  In the end, it is all a matter of opinion.  They shrug it off and walk away, mumbling all the while - counting our cash.  Well, its time to put an end to it.  I don't care how many they fire.  They don't deserve my money.

[Fieryeel]

Tonymac wrote...

In short, no.  I will still not be happy if they fired the entire Bioware staff, from the managers, executives to the writers.

The ending to the series / trilogy is so bad that it people deserve to lose their jobs - they deserve the bad press, and they do not deserve the cash that I put into the game.  I got robbed because I was a dummy and bought the CE.  I thought that a purchase made on faith would be returned as an epic piece of work.  I'm the one (and people like me) who entitle Bioware/EA.  They sat there and laughed, guffawed, and cried tears of joyous disbelief at all of the cash we threw at them. 

But I am learning.   I can see that the ratings industry is a sham.  They all gave the game PERFECT scores.  Everyone said go buy this game ZOMG it is filled up with awesomesauce and is perfect!!!!  Even after we showed Bioware/EA through polls and complaints - the game editors stared at us like WE were the ones that were wrong.  They are STILL trying to stand behind this garbage.

I can clearly see that the game reviewers are in bed with the producers.  In the end, it is all a matter of opinion.  They shrug it off and walk away, mumbling all the while - counting our cash.  Well, its time to put an end to it.  I don't care how many they fire.  They don't deserve my money.

And 95% of the game wasn't amazing?

Just because the ending was bad it automatically invalided everything else in ME3?

[TJPags]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Game studio makes games people don't like.
People stop buying those games.
Studio closes.

I think you need to read the OP, pal.

So many fans are already declaring they will never fork out another cent for a ME3 DLC, or another Bioware game, some even lodging official complains or attempting to put billboards up to protest about the ending. It's all nothing but bad press for EA and making Bioware look bad.

That isn't just not buying. That's actively trying to destroy.

Read the OP.  Responded to it.  I'll do so again.

Fieryeel wrote...

Continuing this thread >
http://social.biowar.../index/11344325
Will you guys finally say, "Hah! Bioware deserved it for f**king up my ending!" or "Bioware should have been closed down for delivering false promises."

"Personally, I don't care much whether Bioware exists or not."

Fieryeel wrote...
So many fans are already declaring they will never fork out another cent for a ME3 DLC, or another Bioware game, some even lodging official complains or attempting to put billboards up to protest about the ending. It's all nothing but bad press for EA and making Bioware look bad.

"Game studio makes games people don't like.
People stop buying those games.
Studio closes.

That's somehow the fault of the fans?

Maybe I'm missing something here. The job of any business is to provide a product that people want. If any business consistently provides a product most people do NOT like, it will lose money. Businesses which lose money generally close."

Fieryeel wrote...
In the unfortunate event if EA closes Bioware down because of so many fans complaining, will you guys be satisfied at last? Note: I mean EA stripping Bioware of its most talented developers, filing them into its other divisions and throwing out the rest.

(This thread is directed at the people who are especially vocal about their hatred of the ending, or of Bioware in general)

"If they make games I like, I'll buy them. If they don't, I won't. If they make games I like and they get shut down, I'll buy games I like from some other company. If they make games I don't like, I won't buy them even if they stay in operation. And if they close at that point, since I don't like what they're making, so what?"

Does that help?

People seem attached to BW.  I suppose that's fine, but to act as if they have a right to exist, or function, or do what they do, regardless of the response it gets - that's naive.

I assume they gained popularity by making games people liked, such as Baldur's Gate, BG 2, etc. 

They can lose it the same way.  And it won't be the fault of any billboard.  It will be their fault for not paying attention to what their customers want.

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

fckin wieners...even if biowares current games dissapoint you the least you could all do is respect them for the games you enjoyed. none of you even give their new games a chance. this community sickens me. i use to think valve had the worst community but ever since dragon age 2 came out this community has dont nothin but ****** me off with thier wiening and trolling

[Volus Warlord]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

fckin wieners...even if biowares current games dissapoint you the least you could all do is respect them for the games you enjoyed. none of you even give their new games a chance. this community sickens me. i use to think valve had the worst community but ever since dragon age 2 came out this community has dont nothin but ****** me off with thier wiening and trolling

We did give them a chance.. and now many regret doing so. And that sir is the problem. 

[chunkyman]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

fckin wieners...even if biowares current games dissapoint you the least you could all do is respect them for the games you enjoyed. none of you even give their new games a chance. this community sickens me. i use to think valve had the worst community but ever since dragon age 2 came out this community has dont nothin but ****** me off with thier wiening and trolling

You're right.

Sure I hated DA2, but that doesn't give me the right to complain, it's not like I could do any better! I couldn't even design an awesome button if my life depended on it.

Awesome Button 

[TJPags]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

fckin wieners...even if biowares current games dissapoint you the least you could all do is respect them for the games you enjoyed. none of you even give their new games a chance. this community sickens me. i use to think valve had the worst community but ever since dragon age 2 came out this community has dont nothin but ****** me off with thier wiening and trolling

And what form should this "respect" you speak of take?  Failure to mention disappointment with more recent titles?

I played BG back in the day.  Liked it.  Played BG2, also.  Liked it.

Haven't played another BW game since, until DAO.  Liked it.  Had no clue it was the same company until I got to these forums.  And don't really care, to be honest.

Despised DA2.  Have no desire to play ME, ME2, or ME3.  Clearly had no desire to play any other title they made, since I never did.

Couldn't care less if BW goes under.  Couldn't care less if they don't.  If I like their game, I'll say so.  If I don't, I'll say that as well.

Bottom line here, people - if enough people don't like their new games, BW goes under.  As they should.  I mean, hey, if I bought a Chevy 15 years ago I liked, I might buy another.  If the last 2 I bought were pieces of crap, I'd stop buying them - and I wouldn't care if my dad, grandfather, his grandfather, and so on and so forth always bought Chevy's.

[Fieryeel]

TJPags wrote...

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

fckin wieners...even if biowares current games dissapoint you the least you could all do is respect them for the games you enjoyed. none of you even give their new games a chance. this community sickens me. i use to think valve had the worst community but ever since dragon age 2 came out this community has dont nothin but ****** me off with thier wiening and trolling

And what form should this "respect" you speak of take?  Failure to mention disappointment with more recent titles?

I played BG back in the day.  Liked it.  Played BG2, also.  Liked it.

Haven't played another BW game since, until DAO.  Liked it.  Had no clue it was the same company until I got to these forums.  And don't really care, to be honest.

Despised DA2.  Have no desire to play ME, ME2, or ME3.  Clearly had no desire to play any other title they made, since I never did.

Couldn't care less if BW goes under.  Couldn't care less if they don't.  If I like their game, I'll say so.  If I don't, I'll say that as well.

Bottom line here, people - if enough people don't like their new games, BW goes under.  As they should.  I mean, hey, if I bought a Chevy 15 years ago I liked, I might buy another.  If the last 2 I bought were pieces of crap, I'd stop buying them - and I wouldn't care if my dad, grandfather, his grandfather, and so on and so forth always bought Chevy's.

Respect them by saying, "Hey I no longer enjoy your games, I will stop buying them or their DLCs." instead of "F**K YOU BIOWARE I AM GOING TO TELL ALL MY FRIENDS YOUR GAMES SUCK!!!"

Respect them by not 0-bombing their metacritic score. Respect them by not sending hate mails to their developers. Respect them by not putting goddamned BILLBOARDS up. Respect them by not lodging complains to the business bureau, but giving constructive feedback and critisim in the right place. Respect them by not jumping at the throat of any other forumer who tries to praise them.

[TJPags]

1. If asked my opinion of a game by a friend, I give it - good or bad. Hell, even to someone I barely know.

2. I have better things to do than spam a spam-rating-site, good or bad. But people have a right to state their opinion on a site designed for people to do that. And yea, if a game sucks, it deserves a 0. (BTW, if i could be bothered to do so, I'd give DA2 a 10 - the graphics were good, I'll give them that).

3. Wouldn't know or care about their email addresses.

4. People need a life - I got better things to do with my money. But hey, if I did want to put up a billboard, that's my money, and my business. Go put up your own.

5. False advertising is false advertising, no matter who does it. If you feel BW used false advertising, you have a right to complain to the BBB.

6. This happens on both sides of any argument. It's the interwebs, for crying out loud.

[Merci357]

Fieryeel wrote...

Respect them by saying, "Hey I no longer enjoy your games, I will stop buying them or their DLCs." instead of "F**K YOU BIOWARE I AM GOING TO TELL ALL MY FRIENDS YOUR GAMES SUCK!!!"

Uhm, no? If I enjoy a game, like I did with many past BW games, I'll recommend it to friends and family. And if I don't enjoy a game - like ME3, that ending spoiled the whole trilogy for me - of course I'll tell them that. What they do with my advice is up to them.

But between TORtanic, DA2 and ME3, in my view all it takes to turn the tide around is another good game. And, I think, they are allowed a few more shots before they join the ranks of Origin, Westwood and Bullfrog. Let's hope they hit the mark again, the last few attemps were misses.

[Rockworm503]

Many fanboys don't see a difference between "I no longer enjoy your games" and "F**K YOU BIOWARE."

The truth is I got sick of the whole thing when I was put in the same camp as those wanting their money back from the charity.
I didn't even donate to the childs play thing and yet I'm now a thief who steals from children apparently. Because some people are fanatics about the thing doesn't mean we all are. Yet some people can't seem to wrap their heads around that.

Modifié par Rockworm503, 17 avril 2012 - 05:45 .

[Rockworm503]

Fieryeel wrote...

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And 95% of the game wasn't amazing?

Just because the ending was bad it automatically invalided everything else in ME3?

a million times yes.
Couldn't even finish my 2nd playthrough.
I've already uninstalled it.
95% means nothing when that 5% is soooooooo bad that it cancels out the 95%.
Besides I'd argue that its not even close to 95%.
There are problems with the rest of the game just not as glaring.