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[Simotech]

Dragoni89 wrote...

75 Perfect scores. *face palm

OVER 75 perfect scores

*double facepalm*

[Baa Baa]

"The people you are after are the people you depend on. We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances, we guard you while you sleep....do not **** WITH US..."- Tyler Durden

[xSTONEYx187x]

It's all EA, why else would devs be leaving BioWare? They don't like the direction BW is going. BioWare will die, but it will be the fault of EA. People are getting sick of their practices.

Modifié par xSTONEYx187x, 15 avril 2012 - 06:46 .

[D_Dude1210]

firebreather19 wrote...

Why wouldn't they use this? If I was a part of business marketing I would, because it's is one of the biggest controversies. People are mad, but there are just as many annoyed with the people who are mad. The misuse of the A, B, C quote is just as popular as the misuse of "entitlement."

It's a controversy and they're capitalizing. It's not deceptive. They don't say "everyone loves this game."

As a Marketing professional, myself (MBA Marketing, 12 years experience, 4 years of it into advertising), I'll have to STRONGLY disagree with that.  There are numerous ways EA/BW could have approached an email ad campaign without coming out with a tagline that risks further alienating a portion of its market. A softer hand was needed here. Hell, the tagline they used basically assumed that the target audience of the said ad is stupid and unable to do their own research. 

And I've already stated above: Negative Controversy (like all publicity) is only good when the product/brand itself is relatively unknown and if you have very little to distinguish yourself as a product/brand.  THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO AN ESTABLISHED BRAND LIKE ME/EA/BW, HOWEVER. Bad Publicity for established name brands are BAD.

Also, yes, it's not technically deceptive if you base it on the legal definition of deceptive marketing.  It IS, however, deceptive on the principle itself.  

Is this ad for real?  This stinks of an internet hoax to me. I don't think even EA/BW can have this much hubris.

Edit: Pardon my incomplete lines of thought and a few grammatical errors (maybe).  It's 4am where I am and I'm still working on some sales projections (took a break and looked at the forum and saw this...).

Modifié par D_Dude1210, 15 avril 2012 - 06:48 .

[CronoDragoon]

jakal66 wrote...

I am getting really tired of all this negativity and ****ing to the point it makes me wonder how old these people are, because some sound like spoiled little brats who can't understand that life is full of these moments and a video game shouldn't be affecting people's life in this way.If you can't deal with a bad ending or something not coming in the way you expected or were promised...then oh dear you better get ready...

This is a video game forum and one of the main purposes of such is to complain about things in games people don't like. Also, you may be okay with bending over every time someone wants you to, but others are not brats or kids for choosing to ask for more than what was given. The "just a video game" excuse is bull considering this is most people's main hobby and way to relieve stress.

I think swearing of BioWare's products and threatening to sue are methods that go too far.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 15 avril 2012 - 06:53 .

[jakal66]

Saint Op wrote...

@jakal66
Huh 1st world problems? No way.

Yeah, I cann see that but, still. I love this trillogy, yes they killed the ending, yes I expected more, yes I got angry and ****ed, but hell I can move on.I can wait and see what the closure DLC gives and even if that fails miserably I won't demand blood.I'll either enjoy what i've got or uninstall and move on.Not that many choices, really

[Stalker]

Simotech wrote...

Dragoni89 wrote...

75 Perfect scores. *face palm

OVER 75 perfect scores

*double facepalm*

It's funny because they received around 70 reviews, out of which barely more than 10 gave a perfect score... completely forgetting the thousands of bad reviews from real gamers.

BioWare are evolving to the master of trolls with that action.

[Baa Baa]

xSTONEYx187x wrote...

It's all EA, why else would devs be leaving BioWare? They don't like the direction BW is going. BioWare will die, but it will be the fault of EA. People are getting sick of their practices.

That is the most evil, twisted, and disturbing thing I have ever heard someone say....

[Helishorn]

Quietness wrote...

Saint Op wrote...

@lillitheris

Have you read the article they quoted this from...okay then..
it is not even taken out of context...the article is not one you would argee with & it is defending the ending...
Also I have worked where I HAD to say misleading things to get people to buy things & it lead to me quiting the company over it...unfortinatly it seems to be the norm these days...

Actually they were defending Bioware's rights , they crapped all over the ending.

They also crapped all over the people complaining about the ending. Last paragraph.

"But accusing BioWare of letting you down — you personally, you the most important person in the universe — is ridiculous. Mass Effect was their story. This is how they chose to end it. Saying that you were let down is justified. Arguing that you deserve more is just entitlement. If you made it to the end of Mass Effect 3, then BioWare supplied you with over a hundred hours of videogame  amusement, and you experienced a franchise which — in small ways and large — pushed the whole notion of videogame storytelling forward. If you feel like all that time spent with the game was wasted because you didn’t like the last few minutes… Well, no offense, but your perspective on art and the human experience kind of stinks."

Modifié par Helishorn, 15 avril 2012 - 06:52 .

[Saint Op]

@quietness

No they weren't they said more games need to end like this & really didn't say much negative at all about the end they were harsher about the dlc...its from the defending the end article....

[Saint Op]

@quietness

No they weren't they said more games need to end like this & really didn't say much negative at all about the end they were harsher about the dlc...its from the defending the end article....

[Helishorn]

This is what advertising would look like if they told the truth by the way

Clip from The Invention of Lying

[jakal66]

CronoDragoon wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

I am getting really tired of all this negativity and ****ing to the point it makes me wonder how old these people are, because some sound like spoiled little brats who can't understand that life is full of these moments and a video game shouldn't be affecting people's life in this way.If you can't deal with a bad ending or something not coming in the way you expected or were promised...then oh dear you better get ready...

Then maybe you are the one who should leave, because this is a video game forum and one of the main purposes of such is to complain about things in games people don't like. Also, you may be okay with bending over every time someone wants you to, but others are not brats or kids for choosing to ask for more than what was given. The "just a video game" excuse is bull considering this is most people's main hobby and way to relieve stress.

I think swearing of BioWare's products and threatening to sue are methods that go too far, but people who belittle their disappointment because they want to feel superior are no better.

hahahahah yeah I'm sure that's what you'd wish...for people with a
positive mind to leave...sorry fella but the forums weren't created just
for you to whine and complain...they were put here to discuss several
different topics.
Including the ending but not necessarily to just
complain.Oh and by the way, adults complain and they can also use
constructive criticism...children whine and cry...see? I'm not against
complaining...I'm against whining and crying.But hell it's a free
world.., you wanna keep giviong out empty threats and promises? Go right
ahead

Modifié par jakal66, 15 avril 2012 - 06:54 .

[StElmo]

OP and others:

[StElmo]

Baa Baa wrote...

xSTONEYx187x wrote...

It's all EA, why else would devs be leaving BioWare? They don't like the direction BW is going. BioWare will die, but it will be the fault of EA. People are getting sick of their practices.

That is the most evil, twisted, and disturbing thing I have ever heard someone say....

I've been a fence sitter for quite a while, but now I realize why MP is to get galactic readyness above 50%, WOW.

How anyone can sign for a company that thinks like that... wow.

[Quietness]

Helishorn wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Saint Op wrote...

@lillitheris

Have you read the article they quoted this from...okay then..
it is not even taken out of context...the article is not one you would argee with & it is defending the ending...
Also I have worked where I HAD to say misleading things to get people to buy things & it lead to me quiting the company over it...unfortinatly it seems to be the norm these days...

Actually they were defending Bioware's rights , they crapped all over the ending.

They also crapped all over the people complaining about the ending. Last paragraph.

"But accusing BioWare of letting you down — you personally, you the most important person in the universe — is ridiculous. Mass Effect was their story. This is how they chose to end it. Saying that you were let down is justified. Arguing that you deserve more is just entitlement. If you made it to the end of Mass Effect 3, then BioWare supplied you with over a hundred hours of videogame  amusement, and you experienced a franchise which — in small ways and large — pushed the whole notion of videogame storytelling forward. If you feel like all that time spent with the game was wasted because you didn’t like the last few minutes… Well, no offense, but your perspective on art and the human experience kind of stinks."

You do realize what you quoted proves exactly what i stated? Please read my full statement before just me stating they crapped on the ending. Incase you forgot or cant read up "They defended Bioware's rights"

What you have quoted is them defending bioware's rights Bolding random words to try and make it look like they werent crapping on the ending =/ them not crapping on the ending.

[CronoDragoon]

jakal66 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

I am getting really tired of all this negativity and ****ing to the point it makes me wonder how old these people are, because some sound like spoiled little brats who can't understand that life is full of these moments and a video game shouldn't be affecting people's life in this way.If you can't deal with a bad ending or something not coming in the way you expected or were promised...then oh dear you better get ready...

Then maybe you are the one who should leave, because this is a video game forum and one of the main purposes of such is to complain about things in games people don't like. Also, you may be okay with bending over every time someone wants you to, but others are not brats or kids for choosing to ask for more than what was given. The "just a video game" excuse is bull considering this is most people's main hobby and way to relieve stress.

I think swearing of BioWare's products and threatening to sue are methods that go too far, but people who belittle their disappointment because they want to feel superior are no better.

hahahahah yeah I'm sure that's what you'd wish...for people with a
positive mind to leave...sorry fella but the forums weren't created just
for you to whine and complain...they were put here to discuss several
different topics.
Including the ending but not necessarily to just
complain.Oh and by the way, adults complain and they can also use
constructive criticism...children whine and cry...see? I'm not against
complaining...I'm against whining and crying.But hell it's a free
world.., you wanna keep giviong out empty threats and promises? Go right
ahead

I don't want people with a positive mind to leave, I haven't made any empty threats, and I am also optimistic about the EC ending. But you saying a certain type of people should leave the forums is ridiculous and, furthermore, just isn't going to happen. People who swear off BioWare products aren't whining and crying, they are doing what they believe they can to be responsible consumers or make a statement about the path they believe BioWare is taking. There's nothing empty about that.

In short yes, forums were put here to discuss several topics, and like I said one of those is complaining about the game. How people choose to complain about it, short of insults/profanity, is not for any of us to say.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 15 avril 2012 - 07:01 .

[Quietness]

Saint Op wrote...

@quietness

No they weren't they said more games need to end like this & really didn't say much negative at all about the end they were harsher about the dlc...its from the defending the end article....

Not sure what article you were reading with what rosey colored glasses.

[Action Bawstard]

xSTONEYx187x wrote...

It's all EA, why else would devs be leaving BioWare? They don't like the direction BW is going. BioWare will die, but it will be the fault of EA. People are getting sick of their practices.

Wow...

[StElmo]

Action Bawstard wrote...

xSTONEYx187x wrote...

It's all EA, why else would devs be leaving BioWare? They don't like the direction BW is going. BioWare will die, but it will be the fault of EA. People are getting sick of their practices.

Wow...

I had to lift my jaw off the table.

[jakal66]

CronoDragoon wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

I am getting really tired of all this negativity and ****ing to the point it makes me wonder how old these people are, because some sound like spoiled little brats who can't understand that life is full of these moments and a video game shouldn't be affecting people's life in this way.If you can't deal with a bad ending or something not coming in the way you expected or were promised...then oh dear you better get ready...

Then maybe you are the one who should leave, because this is a video game forum and one of the main purposes of such is to complain about things in games people don't like. Also, you may be okay with bending over every time someone wants you to, but others are not brats or kids for choosing to ask for more than what was given. The "just a video game" excuse is bull considering this is most people's main hobby and way to relieve stress.

I think swearing of BioWare's products and threatening to sue are methods that go too far, but people who belittle their disappointment because they want to feel superior are no better.

hahahahah yeah I'm sure that's what you'd wish...for people with a
positive mind to leave...sorry fella but the forums weren't created just
for you to whine and complain...they were put here to discuss several
different topics.
Including the ending but not necessarily to just
complain.Oh and by the way, adults complain and they can also use
constructive criticism...children whine and cry...see? I'm not against
complaining...I'm against whining and crying.But hell it's a free
world.., you wanna keep giviong out empty threats and promises? Go right
ahead

I don't want people with a positive mind to leave, I haven't made any empty threats, and I am also optimistic about the EC ending. But you saying a certain type of people should leave the forums is ridiculous and, furthermore, just isn't going to happen. People who swear off BioWare products aren't whining and crying, they are doing what they believe they can to be responsible consumers or make a statement about the path they believe BioWare is taking. There's nothing empty about that.

In short yes, forums were put here to discuss several topics, and like I said one of those is complaining about the game. How people choose to complain about it, short of insults/profanity, is not for any of us to say.

Well then sir may be you are just more patient than i am,and I will respect that.

[StElmo]

Helishorn wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Saint Op wrote...

@lillitheris

Have you read the article they quoted this from...okay then..
it is not even taken out of context...the article is not one you would argee with & it is defending the ending...
Also I have worked where I HAD to say misleading things to get people to buy things & it lead to me quiting the company over it...unfortinatly it seems to be the norm these days...

Actually they were defending Bioware's rights , they crapped all over the ending.

They also crapped all over the people complaining about the ending. Last paragraph.

"But accusing BioWare of letting you down — you personally, you the most important person in the universe — is ridiculous. Mass Effect was their story. This is how they chose to end it. Saying that you were let down is justified. Arguing that you deserve more is just entitlement. If you made it to the end of Mass Effect 3, then BioWare supplied you with over a hundred hours of videogame  amusement, and you experienced a franchise which — in small ways and large — pushed the whole notion of videogame storytelling forward. If you feel like all that time spent with the game was wasted because you didn’t like the last few minutes… Well, no offense, but your perspective on art and the human experience kind of stinks."

I never understood why being entitled about a specific issue is such a bad thing?

As a human being, I am entitled to be treated equally, that's not bad entitlement?

As a dedicated mass effect fan and self appointed advertising medium for the series, I am entitled to not be embarassed by an ending which causes others to doubt my recommendation, for one.

I am also entitled to a game that lives up to the promises it's designers promised. ABC ending being an example of where those entitlements were not met.

entitled isn't a bad thing. It's simply a thing.

[CronoDragoon]

jakal66 wrote...

Well then sir may be you are just more patient than i am,and I will respect that.

Heh, maybe. Also, I was too abrasive and confrontational in that first post but didn't have any easy way to fix it, so I'll just say I'm sorry about that because I think you and I are more in agreement than disagreement.

[D_Dude1210]

Quietness wrote...

Saint Op wrote...

They also crapped all over the people complaining about the ending. Last paragraph.

Read the article. It's amazing how Bioware was able to come out and spin the word "entitlement" into a negative. I guess it's their not-so-sublte way of calling people whiners without being insulting. However, by definition, the word entitled actually means to have a right or claim to something.

And you know what? If I buy something, I'm ENTITLED to recieve what was promised.

Modifié par D_Dude1210, 15 avril 2012 - 07:11 .

[Saint Op]

@quietness

please post this crapping all over ....I don't see it...they state other thing about the game & end wasnt perfect...but ' dont see crapping all over....

@st.elmo
sadly many companyys believe this...and any corparation talks like this...the phone buisness is extremely horrible...everyone should drop there cell phone this instant if you think EA is bad....