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[KingKhan03]

HenchxNarf wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

Oh you hear that since HenchxNarf said that you specifically did that you are the worst fan ever. BioWare is god and can do no wrong lets go buy BioWare stuff!

Keep reaching, bro.

I'm reaching maybe one day i'll reach the moooooooooooon!

[Doctor Uburian]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

Don't care for this thread ending sucked but tone it down a bit.

That's true.

Bioware may be offensive to its fans, but we don't need to reduce ourselves to their level 

You already did that. So you may want to revise your comment. However, Bioware has been pretty stellar to their fans. They're giving you free DLC which you don't deserve to clarify endings you didn't understand (apparently).

How did I offend Bioware in the first place? I have been civic on every tread i have posted in.

And about the endings, i understand them, and that's why i hate them<_<

[Arik7]

The only "potentially devastating" decision you can make is to buy Mass Effect 3.

[KingKhan03]

Dridengx wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

Don't care for this thread ending sucked but tone it down a bit.

That's true.

Bioware may be offensive to its fans, but we don't need to reduce ourselves to their level 

you mean like the death threats to bioware employees and harassment on twitter to Hepler, Chobot, Muzyka, Hudson and Merizan. Yeah.. you really don't want to lower yourself to Bioware's standards of marketing their video game lol

Yep so a few fans do something dumb and the so the rest are guilty. Damn you're throwing some catalyst star child logic at me.

[DJBare]

HenchxNarf wrote...
You already did that. So you may want to revise your comment. However, Bioware has been pretty stellar to their fans. They're giving you free DLC which you don't deserve to clarify endings you didn't understand (apparently).

They are giving free DLC because they are in full damage control mode, do I deserve,  no,  do they deserve my continued custom, well that's the 64million dollar question isn't it.

Modifié par DJBare, 15 avril 2012 - 08:32 .

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Doctor Uburian wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

Don't care for this thread ending sucked but tone it down a bit.

That's true.

Bioware may be offensive to its fans, but we don't need to reduce ourselves to their level 

You already did that. So you may want to revise your comment. However, Bioware has been pretty stellar to their fans. They're giving you free DLC which you don't deserve to clarify endings you didn't understand (apparently).

How did I offend Bioware in the first place? I have been civic on every tread i have posted in.

And about the endings, i understand them, and that's why i hate them<_<

Don't bother with them.  They have resorted to tactics like this to invoke reactions; not even worth it any more.

[Doctor Uburian]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

Don't care for this thread ending sucked but tone it down a bit.

That's true.

Bioware may be offensive to its fans, but we don't need to reduce ourselves to their level 

You already did that. So you may want to revise your comment. However, Bioware has been pretty stellar to their fans. They're giving you free DLC which you don't deserve to clarify endings you didn't understand (apparently).

How did I offend Bioware in the first place? I have been civic on every tread i have posted in.

And about the endings, i understand them, and that's why i hate them<_<

Don't bother with them.  They have resorted to tactics like this to invoke reactions; not even worth it any more.

Of course i won't 

[Doctoglethorpe]

The worst part is the blatant lying.  The promises they made before launch, not even far before launch when they would know exactly whats in their game, that all ended up completely false.  Yet then they have the balls to act like they never said any of those things, to not even acknoledge their own words and then call US out when we bring it up.

That is some major league bull**** right there.  Bioware have completely lost my respect over that.  It wasn't the ending.  Bad endings are mistakes.  They can be fixed or at the very least acknoledged and forgiven.  But to lie, and then continue lying and bull****ting when your bull**** has become transparent?  Thats just pathetic.  Absolutely PATHETIC. 

If it was a friend or relative trying to pull this on me, I'd punch them in the face and stop talking to them.  Biowares a company that would sue me into oblivion for any kind of worthy response, so unfortunately I don't have that option.  But I can refuse to ever spend money on their products again at least, and give them negative word of mouth every chance I get.  And thats what I'm going to do if they don't make up for this mess in the extended cut.  This is their last chance with me as a customer.  They've already lost me as a loyal fan, but they can retain me as a cautious customer at the very least.  Last chance. 

[KingKhan03]

DJBare wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...
You already did that. So you may want to revise your comment. However, Bioware has been pretty stellar to their fans. They're giving you free DLC which you don't deserve to clarify endings you didn't understand (apparently).

They are giving free DLC because they are in full damage control mode, do I deserve, no, do they deserve my continued custom, well that's the 64million dollar question isn't it.

Hold on lets talk about the free DLC for a second. Ok MP DLC was already planned to be free one problem all the little microtransactions that went already netted them more then enough profit.

Ok now on to Extended cut DLC this one is free to that's awesome, However hold on remember the day one DLC? 9.99 they made a ton of money off that and that is pretty much where we are. EA has played this extremeley well they are doing us no favors.

[DrowVampyre]

wrdnshprd wrote...

DrowVampyre wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

why is this thread rated 5 stars? yes, bioware handled the endings pretty badly, and honestly, for me, they no longer have the benefit of the doubt when it comes to game development..

but saying that they deserve to go under and 'be forgotten' is a bit melodramatic dont you think?

what about companies like monsanto and wal-mart? THOSE are companies that deserve to go under and be forgotten. not a VIDEO GAME company like bioware.

It's not mutually exclusive, you know.

?

how can you even begin to compare what wal-mart and monsanto do to bioware??  they are like not even in the same stratosphere lol..

AT MOST bioware is guilty of misleading their fans with positive spin.. and honestly thats a stretch..  95% of ME3 is a masterpiece.. its only the last few minutes that are in question.

monsanto is arguably guilty of playing god (genetically engineering the food supply to a large degree), ruining countless lives of hard working farmers across the country (just ask any farmer in the mid-west), monopolising the soy market, etc

wal-mart is guilty of price gauging, destroying entire rural communities, neglecting their employees, and other stuff..

yeah, i think i can excuse bioware for marketing their game poorly and downplaying the ending (cause i will agree bioware did exactly that)..

so please stop with the 'they deserve to die and be forgotten' argument..

first world problem FTL..

...Do you know what mutually exclusive means? I never defended Monsanto or Wal-mart. Frankly, both of them are evil and deserve nothing but destruction. What I said, what "it's not mutually exclusive" means, is that Bioware dissolving doesn't prevent those companies from dissolving as well.

So no, Bioware's nowhere near as bad as them. But any company that treats its customers, or really anyone else, the way any of the aforementioned do, really doesn't deserve to have customers. You shouldn't excuse them for doing something you're opposed to simply because there are other companies doing worse things - none of those things should be tolerated.

[Naoe]

Dragoni89 wrote...
75 Perfect scores. *face palm

Keep in mind most of the reviewers don't have the time to play through the whole game. If I had to write a review before the final mission, I would give a good (not perfect tho) score as well.

Modifié par Naoe, 15 avril 2012 - 08:44 .

[HenchxNarf]

Naoe wrote...

Dragoni89 wrote...
75 Perfect scores. *face palm

Keep in mind most of the reviewers don't have the time to play through the whole game. If I had to write a review before the final mission, it would gie a good (not perfect tho) score as well.

Or you know... They actually liked the game as a whole.

Shocking, I know.

[RainbowDazed]

Even though I support the Retake - movement's constructive way of doing things, it's Paragonish nature feels un-easy to me. I guess my motivation for doing things is more driven by inner turmoil and strong feelings. At this point all I have to say to Bioware (the company - not people working there) is:

**** you Bioware.

As for Wal-mart and Monsanto - pulling them out is like pulling out a Hitler card. In my eyes the point made with an argument like that is to invalidate the feelings and ideas of the person your counter-argumenting. There's so little you can tell about a person based on an online post. You don't know what they do in their lives and to what all causes they give their energy to. The Wal-Mart - card or making snide remarks about 1st world problems are just attempts to dismiss another person's opinions.

And to drag on, maybe disappointment with a consumer product is something that people still feel they have control about? I could imagine most people feeling quite overwhelmed about the issues the bigger corporations bring to our world. And they are overwhelming - there isn't much you or anyone can do about that. In my eyes, this whole planet is already screwed beyond repair and we're just waiting for nature to strike back. Not much anyone can do about that. But, maybe while waiting for the long over-due end of man-kind one can focus his/her energy positively by voicing their opinion about and consumer product they are dissatisfied with. This way of communicating leaves much expression out, so I'll state what I hope is obvious - this last paragraph was an attempt to make dark humour about bigger issues.

To me this is ultimately about preserving my dignity. I already gave Bioware a freebie by letting the day-one-DLC slide and I so regret steeping that low just because I was so excited about ME3 being released. In a way I'm content that this is the way this ended. I trusted Bioware and have been blind to what is going on. Now that my eyes have opened I don't like what I see.

So yeah, if things end up well, Bioware will die soon without honor and dignity. If things work out not-so-well, they'll propably continue to exist, maybe divided with a small name change (BioBear, har har?) and produce general and crappy mass-milking products for every christmas market. I'd hate to see that happen to Bioware, so that's why for their sake I hope that they just burn now with a big flame.

So here's hoping that Bioware dies as soon as possible!

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Naoe wrote...

Dragoni89 wrote...
75 Perfect scores. *face palm

Keep in mind most of the reviewers don't have the time to play through the whole game. If I had to write a review before the final mission, I would give a good (not perfect tho) score as well.

Yep, you can bet that if all of them played through the entire game, there wouldn't be nearly that many perfect scores.

[AttaBoyTroy]

What an embarrassing and selfish viewpoint, it literally boils down to "I don't like what they did and how they handled it, so I hope they disappear forever". Here's something you may not have noticed, the people that hated the ending may be the majority, but they don't comprise everyone. Many people enjoyed the game, and aren't taking offense at everything the marketing department does to (gasp) market the game. If you don't like them anymore, don't buy their products, but right now you're no better than people who troll the forums posting how they'd wish games that compete with "their game" will die and fail miserably.

In case I need to put it simply for you, it's pathetic.

[StElmo]

tenojitsu wrote...

Sure this will be locked soon, but I a extremely disappointed by the email ad mentioned in the OP. Quote taken out of context much? Seriously BioWare? Really?

Will people stop blaming Bioware for this, they don't market the game with posters, another comapny does!

[HenchxNarf]

AttaBoyTroy wrote...

What an embarrassing and selfish viewpoint, it literally boils down to "I don't like what they did and how they handled it, so I hope they disappear forever". Here's something you may not have noticed, the people that hated the ending may be the majority, but they don't comprise everyone. Many people enjoyed the game, and aren't taking offense at everything the marketing department does to (gasp) market the game. If you don't like them anymore, don't buy their products, but right now you're no better than people who troll the forums posting how they'd wish games that compete with "their game" will die and fail miserably.

In case I need to put it simply for you, it's pathetic.

+10000000 for you Glen Coco.

And there is no way to tell they are the majority in anything. Except maybe vocally on BSN, and that's about it.

[GuardianAngel470]

AttaBoyTroy wrote...

What an embarrassing and selfish viewpoint, it literally boils down to "I don't like what they did and how they handled it, so I hope they disappear forever". Here's something you may not have noticed, the people that hated the ending may be the majority, but they don't comprise everyone. Many people enjoyed the game, and aren't taking offense at everything the marketing department does to (gasp) market the game. If you don't like them anymore, don't buy their products, but right now you're no better than people who troll the forums posting how they'd wish games that compete with "their game" will die and fail miserably.

In case I need to put it simply for you, it's pathetic.

What, exactly, is the average gamer's other options? We pay anywhere from $60-$140+ for a video game and leave it feeling betrayed. What are our options at that point? Return it? Most stores give you a third of your money back for a new game (because remember, this one had an online pass). That still means we feel cheated out of at least $40.

We can write reviews/comments on review sites, blog sites, forums, and storefronts and that is literally where our power ends. In this case a few venders provided full refunds but even still that doesn't remove the feeling of betrayal, for the pre-release quotes and of our trust in the company itself.

So that's what we do. We return the game and vent our frustration on forums, review sites, blogs, and storefronts. It's all we can do.

And don't even go there with the whole "don't buy in the future" card. It isn't the future and the next Bioware game won't come out for months if not years. We can't take that action until it becomes available to us. Right now, we are taking the actions available to us.

If you don't like it, ignore us. That's an action available to you. Or you could continue to insult us, another, less admirable, action that is available to you.

[Fiery Fury]

zenoxis wrote...

... it is my personal opinion that Bioware as a company has to die...

I'm somewhat convinced, remembering how great BG saga was, knowing how epic ME trilogy and DAO are, and seeing ME3 ended. Some of my most favorite and memorable games were made by BioWare, and I believe they can still make a game that's amazing and the majority of ME3 was. Before EA, BG was special. BG2 was special. KotOR was special JE, ME and DAO were special. Having said that though, I'm not holding my breath for DAIII to be great, nor am I currently planning on gambling (pre-ordering) that it will be.

Trying to bring humor to the situation, I'm kinda feeling an analogy of Star Wars VI, where Luke has to kill Darth Vader, whose strings are being pulled by the Emperor. I so want to see BioWare making games like Baldur's Gate, Dragon Age: Origins, and Mass Effect even! Come back to the light side, BioWare!

indyracing wrote...

Yeah, I don't quite agree that they deserve to die as a company, but if in some strange alternate universe it was announced on Monday that due to unforseen circumstances, Bioware went bankrupt and had to be dissolved, at this very moment (having finished my one, and most definitely ONLY) playthrough of Mass Effect 3 (and my last playthrough of any of ME 1, 2 or 3), I would feel happy.

I am not GLAD that I would feel happy, but I would.

I wouldn't be happy... but I would feel maybe it should just disolve, and start all over again, if it were possible.

Of course, I've had time to cool down.

indyracing wrote... 

Baldur's Gate (I don't remember if there's an expansion - I don't so - I can only find the 5 disc huge disc holder) 

The Sword Coast.

You should be ashamed. *kidding*

 

indyracing wrote... 

The story parts of ME2, ME 3 and DA 2, IMO, have undergone a noticable decline compared to all games (bar the NWN OC) that came before them.Coincidence that those are the ones released after the EA aquisition?  I'm not sure.  ME 2, 3 and DA 2 are most definitely more gameplay oriented, and less RPG oriented - basically they are "fun to play", but not necessarily "fun to experience", if you get my meaning.  

With ME2, I felt it was more subtle. Oh, it was there, but the improved (imo) combat filled in that hole. I didn't mind it in ME2, because I still thought it was a good narrative. DAII, though... was fine... on the scale I measure non-BioWare games by.

EA aquired BioWare JUST before DAO was released. Since DAO was in the final stages, it avoided much of EA's tampering. The same cannot be said for DAO's expansion and DLCs.

To be fair to BioWare, NWN was made for the builders, not players. BioWare could have done better on the NWN OC, but you could find great modules people have made.

indyracing wrote... 

I know it's emotional of me (as I finished ME 3 just a few hours ago), but at this moment I'm of the mindest that Bioware will simply never see another dime of my money.  Seriously, I felt the ending of ME 3 was a big "F**k You for caring for 5 years!" when I experienced it. 

 

A lot of people are on the same boat. I've been a fan since BG2 (went back to BG1 and was looking forward to NWN) and I can sympathize.

If nothing else, hope Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition will be good, and reminisce what BioWare once was.

[Phobius9]

Lol. Why is it when people say "No offence, but..." they're actually saying "This is going to sound offensive, but..."

[Mystiq6]

This email is really reprehensible. I wouldn't doubt it's entirely EA's doing, and I hope it is because I would hope Bioware is above that kind of tasteless deceit. The article in question is also hopelessly shameless. At once it is singing praises about the game and then saying how bad portions of the story are. It makes me think the writer didn't like the game, especially the ending, but is trying to shoehorn someone else's viewpoint.

The ending is not elegant. It’s similar, in outline, to the ending of Battlestar Galactica: It reduces a fascinating galaxy of moral viewpoints into a single idea (the fraught relationship between organics and synthetics, which is really the fraught relationship between father and son, or a god and his creation). It’s also similar to the conclusion of Lost: It introduces a semi-mystical, utterly inexplicable situation, and turns what had been an ensemble adventure into the story of a single protagonist. It requires you, in the final moments of the series, to meet a brand new character, a godlike deity. Because all three options provide the same result — the war ends, Shepard dies (or maybe doesn’t) — the most common complaint is that all the work you put in over three games on customizing your character doesn’t pay off.

It's like they're trying to be fair and balanced, but nearly every article singing the ending's praises are leaving out exactly why we don't like it. I don't think I have to say this to anyone here but if for some reason Entertainment Weekly is reading this, yeah, you left out the why.

Fox News does this kind of bull**** all the time, quoting things out of context. I can respect someone's viewpoint who likes the ending but I won't if they don't understand why I don't like it. Respect has to be mutual. You obviously don't respect me if you can't listen to my reasons. It should go without saying, then, that I don't like the part of anything that talks the ending if it doesn't talk about the reasons the ending is crap.

Now, when you put aside the silly argument that the ending isn’t happy — an argument which we should just ignore, since most of the best endings are sad and most of the worst endings are “Yub Yub!” — you’re left with the far more intriguing argument that there should be more to choose from. Why couldn’t my Shepard argue with the deity? Why couldn’t my Shepard have gone into her final moments with her closest allies by her side? Why couldn’t there have been some option, any option, that let my Shepard live out her days with her frisky Yeoman assistant-turned-wife?

So every good movie has a sad ending and every bad movie has a happy ending? Lord of the Rings, arguably one of the greatest pieces of fantasy ever told, had an altogether happy ending. Argument dismissed. The article then tries to this into the argument that the ending is acceptable by arguing that the player agency in the game is more limited than it appears at first glance. Anyone with half a brain following the controversy knows that argument is irrelevant because that's not one of the major complaints about the ending. Congratulations on missing the point.

And then they have the gall to come up with this ditty:

If you feel like all that time spent with the game was wasted because you didn’t like the last few minutes… Well, no offense, but your perspective on art and the human experience kind of stinks.

Endings matter. It's the payoff to all the rest of what you did. Clearly, bad endings can sour a person's perception of a story or none of this would exist. I don't need to point out a myriad of examples where, were the end result terrible, you would feel terrible. Come up with your own favorite.

That said, the ending is bad but I don't want Bioware to go under because of it. I just wish Bioware would pull itself out from under EA. There's a lot more bile in this than my usual posts because I think this whole thing is just completely unnecessary. When speaking of a game that's all about moral ambiguities, I don't know if the irony here is delicious, disgusting or bittersweet.

Modifié par Mystiq6, 15 avril 2012 - 10:09 .

[nitefyre410]

DJBare wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...
You already did that. So you may want to revise your comment. However, Bioware has been pretty stellar to their fans. They're giving you free DLC which you don't deserve to clarify endings you didn't understand (apparently).

They are giving free DLC because they are in full damage control mode, do I deserve,  no,  do they deserve my continued custom, well that's the 64million dollar question isn't it.

 

If I were to answer that question honestly right now - after everything, the answer would be  no they don't.   I could care less about what they have done, its what they  are doing and what they are going to do in the future that is important.  How they have handled this whole situation  from the writing in the ending, to handling the cristcism, to the dissmissive some what insulting statements.    All that is showing me that Bioware has very  little respect for the customers that by thier product.

[StElmo]

xsdob wrote...

Oh, and your damn pictures a fake, that's already been confirmed.

where?

[AllThatJazz]

Oh My God! A company is trying to market its product by exaggerating and taking things out of context! This is seriously the first time such a thing has ever been done in the history of marketing!

Seriously, this is advertising. They aren't lying - the game has received a great many excellent scores, the ending is controversial (like it or not - and there are people who like it - it's got folks talking and debating and even, yes, speculating). Plus 95% of it is a very good game.

I don't understand anyone saying that they hope Bioware sinks because of this, that's a thing I really, really hope does not happen