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[Commander Shepard the Grey Warden]

Please read this before commenting. I was on Mass Effect wiki earlier, reading the article about the three endings and I discovered something I had yet to notice in the Control ending. It states that if your EMS was high enough and you chose Control that the Citadel, Crucible and Charon (Sol's Mass Relay) all survive, though Charon was damaged. This implies that all of the Relays could have survived, therefore the galaxy wouldn't have been royally boned like everyone, including me, thought. Yes I know Shepard does die with this choice, but wouldn't sparing trillions of lives be worth that sacrifice? I believe Control may very well be the Paragon ending after all. Would anyone like to voice their opinion? And please, let's keep it civilized.


                

[bobnice31]

Could you provide a link? Im interested in reading this

[Commander Shepard the Grey Warden]

http://masseffect.wi...Priority:_Earth

It's near the bottom

[Geneaux486]

I figured control was the best ending even before knowing that, but it's pretty cool. Plus the Reapers can just rebuild the mass relays in the control ending. The Reapers get less than they deserve in terms of punishment, but as Shepard said when dealing with Balak, "I want you to put a bullet in his head, but we're all making sacrifices in this war." The endings are decent, and I fully believe the upcoming DLC can make them great if done right.

[Gemini1179]

You'll burn to a crisp, but don't worry, you'll have full control of the Reapers... *snicker*

THAT's why I didn't take the "control" ending.

[Commander Shepard the Grey Warden]

Oh Geneaux I must say...

One is less than two.

[Lookout1390]

I'd still have to say Destroy is the best ending.

Control = Shepard dies, Reapers still exist, Reapers win*
Synthesis = Shepard dies, Reapers still exist, Reapers win*
Destroy = Shepard dies, Reapers die, Shepard wins*

* = Relays still blow up and everything goes to **** so no one really wins

[Vox Draco]

In fact, if they truly want the whole ABC-choices to be reality it makes sense that Control is in a way the "paragon"-Ending...though it depends on you look on it

Nevertheless not even my most passionately paragon Shep will ever choose this, nor the green ending. The Reapers and their master MUST be eliminated, the galaxy has to stand on its own feet. I don't like the idea of some godlike Shepad/Catalyst-Being with an army of reapers lurking about...Rebuilding/keeping the relays is all fine, but who says that Shep or whatever she becomes really has a say in the end if Catalyst decides that everything he said was bullshiat and a new cycle has to begin?

No, my paragon-Sheps will play safe and make sure these abominations are wiped out. Yes, it may cost the galaxy the mass relays, but everything can be rebuild or substituted. And then the galaxy is finally free to go its own way, without the reapers watching them...That shepard might survive is a nice side-effect, and a human Shepard is also way more important to the galaxy than some transcended one, in my opinion at least

[Bill Casey]

I don't care if the game rewards you for it, attempting to control all of the Reapers after everything you've seen and been through is the stupidest choice you can possibly make in all three games...

By far...

By far...


You just shot Anderson against your own will...
Just now...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 avril 2012 - 07:21 .

[ArchDuck]

Morally it also seemed the best ending to me.

Red: Kill the Reapers (self defense) and murder/genocide all other synthetic beings
Green: Force every creatures base nature to change against their will (Alter the genetic make up & "Robo-Genetics"). AKA arrogantly altering the course of all life in the galaxy without knowing any of the consequences.
Blue: Give orders to the Reapers (removing some or all free will) in galactic self defense. Possibly you fix their flawed logic, teach them to police instead of destroy or fly them into a black hole.

Modifié par ArchDuck, 15 avril 2012 - 07:19 .

[Geneaux486]

Lookout1390 wrote...

I'd still have to say Destroy is the best ending.

Control = Shepard dies, Reapers still exist, Reapers win*
Synthesis = Shepard dies, Reapers still exist, Reapers win*
Destroy = Shepard dies, Reapers die, Shepard wins*

* = Relays still blow up and everything goes to **** so no one really wins

Always baffles me when people hate the endings by twisting the information presented therein to be negative.  It's like some people want to hate them.

Control= Shepard dies, Reapers fall under his control, Reapers lose
Synthesis:  Shepard dies, Reapers cease attack, organic life as a whole gets stronger DNA
Destroy = Shepard lives or dies, Reapers die, Reapers fail, pattern potentially repeats itself eventually without safety net

Saying that everything goes to **** after the relays blow up used to be speculation and highly debateable.  After developers came out and clarified the issue, it's now simply false.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 15 avril 2012 - 07:21 .

[bobnice31]

I do remember somewhere a developer said there was an end choice where the mass relays could be repaired. Can't remember where I heard it though. Still how can Shepard continue to control the reapers if he dies, isn't it possible the could return and be pains in the asses again...

[ArchDuck]

Bill Casey wrote...

I don't care if the game rewards you for it, attempting to control all of the Reapers after everything you've seen and been through is the stupidest choice you can possibly make in all three games...

Stupid? Yes.

Stupidier than a magic green light making uber complex changes to organic genetics on the fly and identifying synthetic life so you can make even more complex organic component incorporations? No.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

I literally just railed TiM for a good 5 minutes on why this is not a good solution and now you come out and tell me it's the only solution.

NO

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

[Commander Shepard the Grey Warden]

Bobnice

I'm sorry I should have clarified. His body dies,but he remains conscience in the Crucible itself.

[Iconoclaste]

The kid tells Shepard that he will die, and he will lose everything he has, the relays will be destroyed. What would be the point... If he loses his identity, I doubt he will remember why he should need to repair the relays.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 15 avril 2012 - 07:26 .

[Bill Casey]

It's not even a real kid...
It's just ****ing with you...

[Geneaux486]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

I literally just railed TiM for a good 5 minutes on why this is not a good solution and now you come out and tell me it's the only solution.

NO

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

The Illusive Man tried to gain power by using Reaper tech, multilating both his own people and innocent civilians as well as himself.  The Catalyst even states that because he did this, control was impossible for him.  Shepard acheives it through a device entirely of organic design and construction, and as we see in the resulting cinematic, it works.

[Gemini1179]

Commander Shepard the Grey Warden wrote...

Please read this before commenting. I was on Mass Effect wiki earlier, reading the article about the three endings and I discovered something I had yet to notice in the Control ending. It states that if your EMS was high enough and you chose Control that the Citadel, Crucible and Charon (Sol's Mass Relay) all survive, though Charon was damaged. This implies that all of the Relays could have survived, therefore the galaxy wouldn't have been royally boned like everyone, including me, thought. Yes I know Shepard does die with this choice, but wouldn't sparing trillions of lives be worth that sacrifice? I believe Control may very well be the Paragon ending after all. Would anyone like to voice their opinion? And please, let's keep it civilized.


                

I dunno, why are all your Paragon choices in your dialogue with TIM not 5 minutes before on just how wrong attempting to control the Reapers is?

I honestly felt my skin crawl and that I was being 'set up' the whole time that kid laid out the choices. Like Kirk said in the Star Trek reboot, "Either they're going down, or we are." there is no 'grey' area in my opinion.

[Asharad Hett]

Control = TIM and can never be the best ending. Keeping the reapers around can never be the best ending. Destroying yourself whilst controlling your enemies is nonsensical.

[Lookout1390]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

I'd still have to say Destroy is the best ending.

Control = Shepard dies, Reapers still exist, Reapers win*
Synthesis = Shepard dies, Reapers still exist, Reapers win*
Destroy = Shepard dies, Reapers die, Shepard wins*

* = Relays still blow up and everything goes to **** so no one really wins

Always baffles me when people hate the endings by twisting the information presented therein to be negative.  It's like some people want to hate them.

Control= Shepard dies, Reapers fall under his control, Reapers lose
Synthesis:  Shepard dies, Reapers cease attack, organic life as a whole gets stronger DNA
Destroy = Shepard lives or dies, Reapers die, Reapers fail, pattern potentially repeats itself eventually without safety net

Saying that everything goes to **** after the relays blow up used to be speculation and highly debateable.  After developers came out and clarified the issue, it's now simply false.

You argue my twist of the information, when you turn around and do the exact same thing, I don't get it.

This is what is assumed from speculation, but that's the thing, no one can even make educates responses because we know so little from such a terrible ending.

Dude, look at the universe, everything is revolved around the use of the mass relays, the entire civilzation is built around them. When they are destroyed, they are in trouble because no one has yet to find a way to create new ones, and then you have to go build another relay at the OTHER end so you have a place to come out of the relay jump.

And don't tell me "oh well they can use the reaper tech to build new ones!"

No, they can't. No one understands how they work, and not enough resources to fuel these projects since everyone is locked in the sol system.

Also, it's hard to repeat the pattern when every single synthetic/reaper is destroyed.

Synthesis makes absolutely no sense, the galaxy is built on diversity, and we are all reduced to grey blobs of homogenization. Once again, no one can really get enough information to make an educated response because we know so little.

I'm just about sick of speculation, I didn't want an open-ended ending filled to the brim with plotholes and more speculation.

It's just poor writing.

Also, you can't control what already controls you.

Modifié par Lookout1390, 15 avril 2012 - 07:33 .

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

I literally just railed TiM for a good 5 minutes on why this is not a good solution and now you come out and tell me it's the only solution.

NO

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

The Illusive Man tried to gain power by using Reaper tech, multilating both his own people and innocent civilians as well as himself.  The Catalyst even states that because he did this, control was impossible for him.  Shepard acheives it through a device entirely of organic design and construction, and as we see in the resulting cinematic, it works.

What's that saying about having a lot of power, how does it go?

Oh yea

Absolute power corrupts absolutely

Shepard now has the power to literally wipe out all galactic civilization forever. No one can have this power without abusing it, no matter how saintly they were when they started out.

[Geneaux486]

Absolute power corrupts absolutely

Shepard now has the power to literally wipe out all galactic civilization forever. No one can have this power without abusing it, no matter how saintly they were when they started out.

Assuming that Shepard continues to exist after the control ending, and his will is not simply imprinted onto the Reapers, Shepard is no longer human, and thus not guaranteed to be corrupted.

Asharad Hett wrote...

Control = TIM and can never be the best ending. Keeping the reapers around can never be the best ending. Destroying yourself whilst controlling your enemies is nonsensical.

Not a fact.

You argue my twist of the information, when you turn around and do the exact same thing, I don't get it.

Actually I go by the facts as they are presented in the game.

This is what is assumed from speculation, but that's the thing, no one can even make educates responses because we know so little from such a terrible ending.

It's not speculation, it's a combination of what we see in the games and what the developers have said since.  The ending gives us plenty to work with in educated guesses and is not in the least bit terrible.

Dude, look at the universe, everything is revolved around the use of the mass relays, the entire civilzation is built around them. When they are destroyed, they are in trouble because no one has yet to find a way to create new ones, and then you have to go build another relay at the OTHER end so you have a place to come out of the relay jump.

And as a developer pointed out, new means of travel come either from the leftover Reaper tech, or the reapers rebuilding the mass relays themselves.

And don't tell me "oh well they can use the reaper tech to build new ones!"

No, they can't. No one understands how they work, and not enough resources to fuel these projects since everyone is locked in the sol system.

Incorrect.  There are reapers in every major system at the end of Mass Effect 3.  There are organics in every major system.  Oh and Bioware came out and said that yes they can afterward.  It's not speculation, it's simply what is.

Also, it's hard to repeat the pattern when every single synthetic/reaper is destroyed.

I don't think you fully grasped what the pattern was.  The idea was that *organics* would create *synthetics* that would then rebel and try to wipe out organics.  The Geth represented an anomaly in that they were the first known race of synthetics that did not follow this pattern.  By wiping them out, some organic race down the line could possibly create new synthetics from square one, only with the expected result of rebellion.

Synthesis makes absolutely no sense, the galaxy is built on diversity, and we are all reduced to grey blobs of homogenization. Once again, no one can really get enough information to make an educated response because we know so little.

Everyone is so quick to call "homogenization", but that's not stated anywhere in the game.  What is stated is that synthesis strengthens existing DNA.  It's probably still as diverse as it ever was, just stronger. 

I didn't want an open-ended ending filled to the brim with plotholes and more speculation.

It's not nearly as open-ended, plothole ridden, or speculative as you seem to think.

Also, you can't control what already controls you.

Which is why the Illusive Man couldn't do it while Shepard could.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 15 avril 2012 - 07:41 .

[Lookout1390]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Absolute power corrupts absolutely

Shepard now has the power to literally wipe out all galactic civilization forever. No one can have this power without abusing it, no matter how saintly they were when they started out.

Assuming that Shepard continues to exist after the control ending, and his will is not simply imprinted onto the Reapers, Shepard is no longer human, and thus not guaranteed to be corrupted.

Asharad Hett wrote...

Control = TIM and can never be the best ending. Keeping the reapers around can never be the best ending. Destroying yourself whilst controlling your enemies is nonsensical.

Not a fact.

Do you have a fact stating otherwise?

Space magic 

Once again, terrible writing has left us little to make sense of.

[Bill Casey]

So assuming the child was real, The Reaper King is taking the form of the child I watched the Reapers murder in the opening...

Think about what a monumental dick this creature is for a second...
He's quite clearly inside my head to some extent at least, because he's taken the form of the child I watched murdered by his minions...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 avril 2012 - 07:39 .