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[Dragoni89]

tractrpl wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

"Control" the best ending?

I really don't see how since the game spends inordinate amounts of time telling you how it really is impossible to control them.

It's a bad ending, for sure, but Bioware implies that any ending ends with the defeat of the Reapers for good and for all time. This is according to canon. The fact that it doesn't make sense is irrelevent.

Good input where can I find this stated. Is it implied or stated ? My guide actually has one of the 16 endings as Shepard saves Earth but becomes a Reaper. Again, there is much room for confusion.

Just read official replies from Bioware regarding the ending. They have stated in no uncertain terms that the fleets do no starve and civilization is not thrown into a crisis because of the destruction of the Mass Relays. They confirm that no ending results in the Reapers actually "winning".

What they state contrdicts with what is shown and what we know. So that
why the ending needs to get changed before they start spouting random
crap. Thats why space magic has become the most used word to explain the
endings.

All evidence points to fixing the god damn endings.

Modifié par Dragoni89, 15 avril 2012 - 05:45 .

[tractrpl]

Dragoni89 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

Dragoni89 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Delta_V2 wrote...

The biggest problem I have with Control is how much control do you actually have? You see the Reapers leaving, but do you actually have control over their specific actions (like telling them to fly into the sun or using them as a glorified taxi service until the relays are rebuilt), or do you only control general directives (telling them to begin/end the cycle). I just think there are way too many unknowns and ways for it to go wrong.

So do I. I hope they clear this up with the final DLC.

Yes, but we already know the answer. Any choice ends with the defeat of the reapers forever and for good. The fact that it doesn't make sense is irrelevent. So, given that, then control is the best ending, because it ends with the definite defeat of the Reapers, no one gets "DNA raped" and the Geth and EDI all survive.

You don't know if they don't get gene raped. Why was Normandy fleeing from the mass energy wave if it was harmless? If it does destory parts of the ship, does this not mean the entire space fleet would be destoryed?
It is confusing as **** and makes no sense. Joker fleeing scene just does not make sense if the beam was harmless.

The Normandy was in FTL transit when the wave hit. It is implied it was only damaged because it was in FTL traveling away from the wave that cause it damage. All other ships that are in normal space are unharmed.

Pretty sure he was in FTL because of the explostion. Even if somehow by a long shot I belieave what you say(imagination) is true. Why was the joker the only ship in FTL. Why did I see some ship explostions right after the ship fires? Wasn't the first relay you destoryed the charon relay? So Why was the joker ship not even in the SoL system. This can go on.

Whether the ending makes sense is irrelevent to the end result. The end result is that the fleets are fine, the Mass Relays being destroyed does not end galactic civilization, and any ending results in the definite defeat of the Reapers for all future time. This is stated in numerous press releases by Bioware. The endings are poorly done, and they are illogical, but the end results are clear according to canon. Just because they make no sense is irrelevent.

[Meltemph]

tractrpl wrote...

Dragoni89 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

Dragoni89 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Delta_V2 wrote...

The biggest problem I have with Control is how much control do you actually have? You see the Reapers leaving, but do you actually have control over their specific actions (like telling them to fly into the sun or using them as a glorified taxi service until the relays are rebuilt), or do you only control general directives (telling them to begin/end the cycle). I just think there are way too many unknowns and ways for it to go wrong.

So do I. I hope they clear this up with the final DLC.

Yes, but we already know the answer. Any choice ends with the defeat of the reapers forever and for good. The fact that it doesn't make sense is irrelevent. So, given that, then control is the best ending, because it ends with the definite defeat of the Reapers, no one gets "DNA raped" and the Geth and EDI all survive.

You don't know if they don't get gene raped. Why was Normandy fleeing from the mass energy wave if it was harmless? If it does destory parts of the ship, does this not mean the entire space fleet would be destoryed?
It is confusing as **** and makes no sense. Joker fleeing scene just does not make sense if the beam was harmless.

The Normandy was in FTL transit when the wave hit. It is implied it was only damaged because it was in FTL traveling away from the wave that cause it damage. All other ships that are in normal space are unharmed.

Pretty sure he was in FTL because of the explostion. Even if somehow by a long shot I belieave what you say(imagination) is true. Why was the joker the only ship in FTL. Why did I see some ship explostions right after the ship fires? Wasn't the first relay you destoryed the charon relay? So Why was the joker ship not even in the SoL system. This can go on.

Whether the ending makes sense is irrelevent to the end result. The end result is that the fleets are fine, the Mass Relays being destroyed does not end galactic civilization, and any ending results in the definite defeat of the Reapers for all future time. This is stated in numerous press releases by Bioware. The endings are poorly done, and they are illogical, but the end results are clear according to canon. Just because they make no sense is irrelevent.

While I agree they just screwed up, there are people out there still that think we are being trolled by BW just so they can suprise everyone with a twist to an ending nobody has done.

[tractrpl]

This is "artistic integrity" in action. And why they should have hired a logician. They could have created an ending that results in multiple different outcomes that all result in the definite defeat of the Reapers without having cut scenes and conversations that defy previously established logic.

[tractrpl]

Meltemph wrote...

While I agree they just screwed up, there are people out there still that think we are being trolled by BW just so they can suprise everyone with a twist to an ending nobody has done.

BW is famous for it's plot twists. Usually, the twists are shown mid-game, or near the end, but not at the absolute end. This was their folley.

[Dragoni89]

tractrpl wrote...

Dragoni89 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

Dragoni89 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Delta_V2 wrote...

The biggest problem I have with Control is how much control do you actually have? You see the Reapers leaving, but do you actually have control over their specific actions (like telling them to fly into the sun or using them as a glorified taxi service until the relays are rebuilt), or do you only control general directives (telling them to begin/end the cycle). I just think there are way too many unknowns and ways for it to go wrong.

So do I. I hope they clear this up with the final DLC.

Yes, but we already know the answer. Any choice ends with the defeat of the reapers forever and for good. The fact that it doesn't make sense is irrelevent. So, given that, then control is the best ending, because it ends with the definite defeat of the Reapers, no one gets "DNA raped" and the Geth and EDI all survive.

You don't know if they don't get gene raped. Why was Normandy fleeing from the mass energy wave if it was harmless? If it does destory parts of the ship, does this not mean the entire space fleet would be destoryed?
It is confusing as **** and makes no sense. Joker fleeing scene just does not make sense if the beam was harmless.

The Normandy was in FTL transit when the wave hit. It is implied it was only damaged because it was in FTL traveling away from the wave that cause it damage. All other ships that are in normal space are unharmed.

Pretty sure he was in FTL because of the explostion. Even if somehow by a long shot I belieave what you say(imagination) is true. Why was the joker the only ship in FTL. Why did I see some ship explostions right after the ship fires? Wasn't the first relay you destoryed the charon relay? So Why was the joker ship not even in the SoL system. This can go on.

Whether the ending makes sense is irrelevent to the end result. The end result is that the fleets are fine, the Mass Relays being destroyed does not end galactic civilization, and any ending results in the definite defeat of the Reapers for all future time. This is stated in numerous press releases by Bioware. The endings are poorly done, and they are illogical, but the end results are clear according to canon. Just because they make no sense is irrelevent.

So what you are saying is we were given the wrong endings? LMAO. I'm sorry if your defence of endings has become a sort of JOKE? No one starves because? No one get harmed by the beam even though the normandy is layed to waste because .

So I basically bought a game that had the wrong endings, to the supposed conclution according to you based on twitter and other things.Obviously I knew this when I realized Bioware gave us an A,B,C ending. Bioware put the wrong endings in the game:O. Which why the players are arguing for changed endings beacuse it made no sense.

Modifié par Dragoni89, 15 avril 2012 - 05:53 .

[Meltemph]

tractrpl wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

While I agree they just screwed up, there are people out there still that think we are being trolled by BW just so they can suprise everyone with a twist to an ending nobody has done.

BW is famous for it's plot twists. Usually, the twists are shown mid-game, or near the end, but not at the absolute end. This was their folley.

Well that, and their twists normally make snese and dont overly simplify things to try and come across as deep.  This was the 1st time I've personally noticed them doing it.  DA2 has incredibly disjointed endings, but it came across to me, pretty obviously, that the game was rushed.

Modifié par Meltemph, 15 avril 2012 - 05:52 .

[tractrpl]

Famous twists include the revelation that the player is Darth Maul, that Sovereign is an actual Reaper, and that the collectors are trying to create a human Reaper. Starbrat, however, is just over the top.

[Meltemph]

I should note though, starting at the Cerberus base, ME3 felt incredibly rushed at that point to me.

[Cobra's_back]

tractrpl wrote...

Famous twists include the revelation that the player is Darth Maul, that Sovereign is an actual Reaper, and that the collectors are trying to create a human Reaper. Starbrat, however, is just over the top.

Agree

[Wulfram]

tractrpl wrote...

Famous twists include the revelation that the player is Darth Maul, that Sovereign is an actual Reaper, and that the collectors are trying to create a human Reaper. Starbrat, however, is just over the top.

The best twist was in Jade Empire.

[Dragoni89]

Wulfram wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

Famous twists include the revelation that the player is Darth Maul, that Sovereign is an actual Reaper, and that the collectors are trying to create a human Reaper. Starbrat, however, is just over the top.

The best twist was in Jade Empire.

Darth Revan ( please don't make comments when you can't even name the most famous Jedi in the bioware world) and you saw that coming a mile away with your dream all pointing towards you being dark revan. Only Sovereign was a twist, but there were hints given that ship is was very much alive. Origins unknown, Largest Dreadnought in the galaxy. The twist did not happen in the final 5 mintues of the game where the main character loses his entire personality after finding out Sovereign is a reaper.

What twist in Jade Empire? The king being evil?

Modifié par Dragoni89, 15 avril 2012 - 06:01 .

[tractrpl]

Actually, I thought that the Sovereign was a Reaper twist was more obvious than the "I was actually Revan" twist.

[Dragoni89]

tractrpl wrote...

Actually, I thought that the Sovereign was a Reaper twist was more obvious than the "I was actually Revan" twist.

This coming from the guy that though he was actually Darth Maul. I can belieave it.

[Meltemph]

Dragoni89 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

Actually, I thought that the Sovereign was a Reaper twist was more obvious than the "I was actually Revan" twist.

This coming from the guy that though he was actually Darth Maul. I can belieave it.

He obviously misspoke.  Nobody thought they were plainy Maul.  I would agree though, the Revan twist was an actual twist, Sovereign was kidna obvious.

[Dragoni89]

Meltemph wrote...

Dragoni89 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

Actually, I thought that the Sovereign was a Reaper twist was more obvious than the "I was actually Revan" twist.

This coming from the guy that though he was actually Darth Maul. I can belieave it.

He obviously misspoke.  Nobody thought they were plainy Maul.  I would agree though, the Revan twist was an actual twist, Sovereign was kidna obvious.

I just thought the dreams of your character points towards Revan. I knew was Revan very early. Was not suprised but it confirmed what I knew. So I was like cool, I'm revan most power jedi of the galaxy, former war hero and darth lord of the sith. This was a GOOD twist in the fact that it was postive notion. To agree with the Catalyst is denial of Shepards personality. Catalyst was also a double twist. Turns out the catalyst was actaully the cidatel. ( Here I am thinking, no wonder the prothen could not defeat the reapers because they lost it very early on. I remeber how MAss Effect 1 said controlling the cidatel gave us the edge in this war. It all makes sense.)Comes to the ending, second twist catalyst is alive and it controls the reeapers ( already big wtf) . Maybe a third here, Oh third twist you actaully can not disagree with it(wtfX10). Ending (wtf X100)

Modifié par Dragoni89, 15 avril 2012 - 06:19 .

[tractrpl]

Dragoni89 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

Actually, I thought that the Sovereign was a Reaper twist was more obvious than the "I was actually Revan" twist.

This coming from the guy that though he was actually Darth Maul. I can belieave it.

:PLOL I meant Darth Revan. Brain fart!

[Bredwyn]

I have to agree with Geneaux486, his arguments makes sense to me.

[Cobra's_back]

nicksmi56 wrote...

How about: there is no best ending and all three endings stink cause all I'm reading is speculation

Good point

[Meltemph]

Bredwyn wrote...

I have to agree with Geneaux486, his arguments makes sense to me.

Only if you keep the ending sperate from evertything else. And even then it is obvious the kid isnt either udnerstanding everyhting the crucible is, which means what he says happens doesnt have to happen or the kid isnt being entierly honest about what happens.

[Bill Casey]

Bredwyn wrote...

I have to agree with Geneaux486, his arguments makes sense to me.

He is defending the Reaper King as an expositional tool...
If his arguments make sense to you, you are no longer sane...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 avril 2012 - 07:29 .

[Geneaux486]

Dragoni89 wrote...
I already said why your wrong, crucible is still very reaper tech. And the catalyst knows exactly what it does. So it is which reapers calculation how it is going to turn out if you pick control and synthesis. So your wrong.

And again, you're completely wrong about this.  The Crucible itself is not Reaper tech.  There is not one shred of in-game evidence to support the idea that it is, and multiple statements made in-game that say it is of organic design.  The Catalyst doesn't even know what it does until it's plugged into the Citadel.  Remember, "The Crucible changed me, created new options, but I can't make them happen".  Control and Synthesis are done by the Crucible.  So again, you are wrong on this point.

Control and systhesis are clearly shown to be  idealogies of indocrinated characters. So once again your wrong.

And that stil isn't true.  Reaper synthesis and control through the use of reaper tech were goals the indoctrinated villains falsely believed were possible.  Through the Reapers, they were not possible, but through the Crucible, they were.  Again, we see them happen at the end.

Ending is so speculative, and unclear what the result of shepards actions are. It does not prove anything. So your wrong again.

We clearly see in control and synthesis that the Reapers cease their attack immediately, and withdraw from battle.  We clearly see in synthesis that something has changed about organics by looking at Joker and the plant life on that planet he landed on.  Those things are not speculative, they're right there in plain sight for us to see.  Ignoring them won't make them go away.

Your entire response here was basically stating false information and claiming I was wrong because of it.  Again.

He is defending the Reaper King as an expositional tool...
If his arguments make sense to you, you are no longer sane...

That's really stupid.

The Catalyst shows up, explains why the Reapers do what they do, and explains how you activate the Crucible, which it admits it cannot do itself.  It doesn't do anything but explain things to you, so what exactly would you call it?

Modifié par Geneaux486, 15 avril 2012 - 07:38 .

[Quietness]

The kid says "you will lose all that you have"

This reeks heavily of "Wait till the next cycle, you'll be ready to take up the cause" All that you have as in Body?Soul?That fire that makes Shepard who Shepard is?Sense of Reasoning? Sanity?

[Bill Casey]

Geneaux486 wrote...

That's really stupid.

I know, right?
He controls all of the Reapers and he's the only thing telling us anything...
And he's taking the form of that kid we watched his henchmen murder...

It's ****ing stupid...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 avril 2012 - 07:40 .

[Geneaux486]

Bill Casey wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

That's really stupid.

I know, right?
He controls all of the Reapers and he's the only thing telling us anything...
And he's taking the form of that kid we watched his henchmen kill...

That was my fault for not being clear enough.  I went back and edited the comment to explain why your comment was stupid, so now it's clearer.