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[Sesshomaru47]

Vespervin wrote...

G'day mate, throw another shrimp on the barby! Got any fosters in the eski?

Prawn it's a prawn on the barbie. A shrimp is something an American would say and Fosters is something they would drink. So self resepecting Australian would touch that rubbish.

As for a new game which was the point. Hmm I started a new game of Skyrim but I'm also play Tales of Graces f, Pandora's Tower and The Last Story. Not all at once...The Last Story is pretty darn good, Pandora's Tower is...different.

[DrowVampyre]

Luc0s wrote...

Well, some characters just work better as male than as female. I don't think a female Geralt would be as compelling as the male Geralt we got. He is a well-developed character that only works as a male, not as a female.

Oh, I'm not saying they don't, I'm just less interested in them. Nor am I saying that it's a good thing, just that for me, to fully relate to a character, they can't really be a guy. Or, at least, they can't be a "manly man" - a sensitive, sweet, furthest-thing-from-a-man's-man guy I'd probably do a lot better relating to.

 That's too bad that you think of Geralt that way, because he's obviously more than just a James Bond with a sword and potions. But maybe I'm biased because I've read the books (that are actually a prequel to the games).

In the books, Geralt had lots of character development. But then he died and returned from the death with amnesia. Because he lot his memory, he might appear a bit shallow and bland sometimes. But as a person who has read the books, I truly felt sorry for Geralt, because I as the player knew what he had lost yet he didn't even know it himself. Geralt lost so so so much yet he's completely unaware of his loss because of his amnesia. I truly felt sorry for Geralt.

But you really should play The Witcher 2. In TW2, Geralt will regain his memory from before his temporary death (all the events from the books). He will remember everything he lost, which creates an interesting scenario with lots of character development. 

Now see, that may well be, but I haven't read any of the books. ALl I got is what was in the game, and that...didn't strike a chord with me.

 That sounds a bit like BS to me. Just because you're a female you can only relate to female protagonists? I feel sorry for your limitation. I'm a male and I can actually sympathize with both male and female protagonists. I love Mirror's Edge, I love Tomb Raider and  I love Wet. They all have female protagonsts and they're all cool and well-written characters. Because they're well-written, I can relate to them and empathize with them, even though I'm a male myself.

In fact, Madison, a female character, was my favorite protagonist in Heavy Rain.

A book should not be judged by it's cover. A character should not be judged by it's gender.

I can only fully relate to them, yes. I can sympathize to some extent with male characters, but I can't really...put myself in their shoes, so to speak. That doesn't make them bad characters, but combined with the RPG genre, specifically character driven RPGs, it causes a disconnect for me. In action games or something it's not so much an issue, because those are much more like watching a movie - it's not my character, I'm not building this character, I'm watching this character do its thing and pressing buttons to make it hit people or whatever.

Please don't think I'm saying male characters are bad, but if you can relate the same way to male and female, even thoguh you're male yourself, try to put yourself in my place - if 95% of the games out there starred Lara Croft and Chell (or whatever the feminine version of the ridiculously-hypertestosterone guys like in Gears of War is), wouldn't you get an [ii]eensy[/i] bit sick of playing those kinds of characters constantly?

[CasbynessPC]

I've been playing Pinball on Xbox arcade and reading books. I am starting to think that ME3 had some real measurable impact on gamers who played it as a whole, as if we all play games for the adrenalin-based positive reinforcement and the ME3 level of negative reinforcement has turned a lot of us off games entirely, at least in the short term. I've just had no interest in proper games since.

[goose2989]

Nothing else stack up with Mass Effect. Sure, you can find some great RPGs, but they usually have a fantasy setting. No Sci-Fi RPG even compares to Mass Effect.

Now, if Bungie had made a post Covenant War Halo RPG...

[cactusberry]

People have mentioned Divinity II. I truly love that game, with its expansion. Gender is ignored in the first game, with the protagonist usually being referred to as "it," but the expansion does better at nodding at gender.

[lordofdogtown19]

OP, I know how your feeling so I know you need a good laugh.

That being said you should play Saints Row The Third. Absolutely hilarious. It'll put a smile on your face, no doubt

Modifié par lordofdogtown19, 16 avril 2012 - 12:24 .

[Vespervin]

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

Vespervin wrote...

G'day mate, throw another shrimp on the barby! Got any fosters in the eski?

Prawn it's a prawn on the barbie. A shrimp is something an American would say and Fosters is something they would drink. So self resepecting Australian would touch that rubbish.

I know that, I am Australian. I just live in the States now and I've always wanted to say that. 

[frylock23]

Luc0s wrote...

The Witcher 2 is much more than just an RPG. The Witcher 2 is the pinnacle of storytelling in video-games. It puts BioWare's storytelling skills to shame.

The reason why you can't play a female in The Witcher, is because you play Geralt, a character from the witcher books (the entire Witcher series is based on a best-selling Polish book). You don't get to make a character in The Witcher 2, you're Geralt, with his own background and his own personality.

But trust me, Geralt is a very deep, mature and well-developed character. You'll truly synpathize with him, even if you're a female yourself.

There are also plenty of interesting and strong female characters in The Witcher 2 that will help Geralt in his adventure. All females in The Witcher are strong and capable women who can take care of themselves. Triss and Ves are good examples of powerful women that will help Geralt a lot.

So, we get it. You're a Witcher fanboi.

Funny thing, though, is that I've tried to get into Witcher myself, and it just didn't click for me either. I also tend to like strong female protagonists or characters in my entertainment.

I own between 800 to 1,000 books, most of them (not all) tend to have strong female leads. Yes, I do have some characters like Sparhawk, Valentine (from E.E, Knight's Vampire Earth series), Matt Cauthon, Tyrion Lannister and Jon Snow who are very much male whom I very definitely like and eagerly look forward to finding out what happened to them time after time. But, mostly, I have a library full of female characters.

Heck, my favorite movie is Aliens and not because of Pvt. Hudson (although he helps).

So while I'm not saying that I can't ever play a game with a male protagonist, I am saying that it's tougher for a developer to write a game that grabs me if they only give me a male protagonist to play. It's the same reason why I don't tend to gender bend often at the RPG table. I'm just not that into playing men.

And I think it's pretty poor form for you to criticize us unless you can honestly say that you love playing female protagonists sooo much that you pick playing them every chance you get (although honestly it's easier for men to do because they get off on looking at pixellated @ss as my own husband often informs me as he plays his own female MMO avatars).

[SirBob1613]

ZombieChad wrote...

I've been playing Dark Souls, which is quite good. PvP is junk but the rest of the game is sound.

does dark souls count has a  rpg i just felt like i was attacking thinks over and over again with nothing driving me to do it

[Jadebaby]

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

Vespervin wrote...

G'day mate, throw another shrimp on the barby! Got any fosters in the eski?

Prawn it's a prawn on the barbie. A shrimp is something an American would say and Fosters is something they would drink. So self resepecting Australian would touch that rubbish.

As for a new game which was the point. Hmm I started a new game of Skyrim but I'm also play Tales of Graces f, Pandora's Tower and The Last Story. Not all at once...The Last Story is pretty darn good, Pandora's Tower is...different.

+1, just like no self-respecting Aussie would drink VB.....  lol ok maybe they would but that stuff is just gross!

[DrowVampyre]

Luc0s wrote...

But in The Witcher you don't build a character, Geralt never is "your" character. He's Geralt. You just control him and make all the decisions for him, resulting in an interestring non-linear story where entire chapters can develop completely different dependin on your decisions.

That's what I love so much about The Witcher (2). Your decisions have ACTUAL CONSEQUENCES. Not the pseudo-consequences bullsh*t that BioWare offers us with the Mass Effect trilogy, where the story is as linear as a ruler.

 

Right...and I don't click with Geralt. I'm not saying he's a bad character, just that I don't relate to him and don't engage with him. In this case, I'd actually prefer the linear story, because I'd be able to do more of the "sit back and watch" thing, the way I do with movies and other games.

No offense, but that's a strawman argument right there. You make it sound as if 95% of all male protagonists in today's video-games are buffed hypertestosterone characters ala Gears of War. That's obviously not true and you know it.

Would I get sick of all characters in all video-games were like the characters of Gears of War? Yes. But luckily, most characters in most video-games AREN'T like the Gears of War characters. So I truly still don't see your problem with male protagonists. As long as they're well written, it shouldn't be a problem that they're male. Just like I don't have a problem with female protagonists, as long as they're well written.

In fact, even female characters that AREN'T well-written are still fine with me. I'm really truly unbiased about the gender of my protagonist. I wish more people were like that. Gender bias is so dumb and shallow, sometimes even sexist (though I don't think you're a sexist, don't worry).

Actually...I'd hazard that at least 70% are. Probably more...not quite to that level, but even Batman in Arkham Asylum, and preeeeetty much every space marine type character, is. I'm actually having trouble thinking of many male characters that aren't hypermasculine - Zevran, kiiiinda Ezio, Gordon Freeman...umm...Alan Wake I think, but I never played that. I'm sure I'm missing some, but it's still a majority that are the "I mainline testosterone and use liquid steroids instead of milk for my cereal" sort.

I should note, again, that in less character-driven games, it's not so much an issue. Did I prefer Halo: Reach because I could play a woman? Absolutely! I also preferred it for other reasons. Does that mean I don't like the other Halo games? Not at all, I still like them, but I don't connect with Master Chief, I just enjoy the world and the gameplay. RTS games? Again, I prefer iof the "main character" is female, especially if they have cutscenes, but considering that for the most part I'm giving orders to little people who move around in squads, it's not really a big deal. For RPGs, though, it is.

And again, let me reiterate - I'm not saying the Witcher games are bad, and certainly not that all games with male protagonists are bad. All I'm saying is that I don't emotionally connect to male characters, usually, and especially not to "manly man" types (pretty much never to them), and the main draw of an RPG for me is to emotionally connect to the characters, so...y'know...they tend to not interest me.

frylock23 wrote...

So, we get it. You're a Witcher fanboi.

Funny thing, though, is that I've tried to get into Witcher myself, and it just didn't click for me either. I also tend to like strong female protagonists or characters in my entertainment.

I own between 800 to 1,000 books, most of them (not all) tend to have strong female leads. Yes, I do have some characters like Sparhawk, Valentine (from E.E, Knight's Vampire Earth series), Matt Cauthon, Tyrion Lannister and Jon Snow who are very much male whom I very definitely like and eagerly look forward to finding out what happened to them time after time. But, mostly, I have a library full of female characters.

Heck, my favorite movie is Aliens and not because of Pvt. Hudson (although he helps).

So while I'm not saying that I can't ever play a game with a male protagonist, I am saying that it's tougher for a developer to write a game that grabs me if they only give me a male protagonist to play. It's the same reason why I don't tend to gender bend often at the RPG table. I'm just not that into playing men. 

And I think it's pretty poor form for you to criticize us unless you can honestly say that you love playing female protagonists sooo much that you pick playing them every chance you get (although honestly it's easier for men to do because they get off on looking at pixellated @ss as my own husband often informs me as he plays his own female MMO avatars).

 

Thanks, it's nice to know there's other people out there like me, lol. And like you, there are male characters that I like a lot...they're just few and far between, and I don't identify with them, I simply like watching/reading about them.

[Vespervin]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

Vespervin wrote...

G'day mate, throw another shrimp on the barby! Got any fosters in the eski?

Prawn it's a prawn on the barbie. A shrimp is something an American would say and Fosters is something they would drink. So self resepecting Australian would touch that rubbish.

As for a new game which was the point. Hmm I started a new game of Skyrim but I'm also play Tales of Graces f, Pandora's Tower and The Last Story. Not all at once...The Last Story is pretty darn good, Pandora's Tower is...different.

+1, just like no self-respecting Aussie would drink VB.....  lol ok maybe they would but that stuff is just gross!

Indeed. VB taste like a donkeys arse. I prefer Tooheys New. I wish they had it over here in the States. 

[balance5050]

I'm playing Legend of Grimrock, First Person Dungeon Crawler for 10$

[Ketten]

I played 20+ hours of Witcher 1 and then just got tired of it.

Witcher 2 has kept my attention just because they vastly improved the game.

DE:HR was hella fun, not only because of the gameplay, but because I thought Adam Jensen had a sexy ass. So playing as him was more of a treat, and I could always head canon that silly girlfriend of his from existence.

I also enjoyed the old school Gamecube game of Tales of Symphonia. Man, did I spend hundreds of hours on that game. It was like crack.

[rivqa]

DrowVampyre wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Get over yourself and play The Witcher anyway! It's a damn good series! Why would you withold such an amazing series just because you can't play female?

Well, I can't answer for the OP, but for myself, it's because it's all but impossible for me to have any kind of connection to a male protagonist (and I get terribly tired of them being everywhere - if there were a more even distribution that part wouldn't be an issue).

So, for a game like Assassin's Creed or something, I sometimes play them, and enjoy them, but even those kinds are dampened for me if I can't play a female character - in an RPG, where connecting with the character is extremely important, it usually reduces the game from "experience the story!" to "play the combat!" for me...and I'm not super interested in playing just the combat portion of most RPGs.

Pretty much this. They just don't capture or retain my interest. The character in the Witcher seems pretty static and non-customizable, which makes it even less appealing. 

[rivqa]

Also, I'm Commander Shepard and James Boag is my favourite beer on the Citadel.

Coopers Pale Ale is also acceptable.

[the red boon]

Fallout 2 I enjoyed a lot great dialogue and if you are a female character and name yourself buffy you get a bunch of free equipment. The game is old yes but Frank Horrigan and the writing genious. Also look up guides to the game or you'll miss quite a bit of stuff.

[DrowVampyre]

OP, you asked about Hydrophobia - guess what's on sale for just over a buck today.

[rivqa]

DrowVampyre wrote...

OP, you asked about Hydrophobia - guess what's on sale for just over a buck today.

Thanks! Just bought it and will give it a whirl tonight.

[AnImpossibleGirl]

KingNothing125 wrote...

I'm reinstalling DAO at the moment.

I hate the combat system, so I figure I'm just gonna turn the difficulty down to easy and enjoy myself. Plus I'll get the chance to play through all that DLC I skipped. Might even get Awakening... but we'll see how well DAO goes first.

Awakening is good. BUT, if you get your "perfect" ending in Origins it has a way of destroying it. I enjoyed it none the less. After reading "The Calling" it was a must play. 

Funny how everybody says DA:O and not DA:2 eh? I know why... (*cough*awful*cough*) but, just saying.

[DrowVampyre]

Luc0s wrote...

Bullcrap, absolute bullcrap.

For every hyper-masculine male video-game character you can name, I can name at least 3 male game characters that aren't hyper-masculine ala Gears of War.

Here's a list with male PROTAGONIST characters (so I'm not even listing side-characters here, only protagonists) that aren't hypertestosterone (space) marines, see if you can beat that:

Well, I just woke up and avoid most of these sorts of game out of habit, so I'm not going to be as familiar with them, but if you insist...

The Gears of War guy(s
)the Space Marine guy(s)
the Army of <blank> guys
two of the three Borderlands guys
Batman in Arkham Asylum/City (and every other superhero game's male lead ever)
the main character of basically every FPS ever (we'll count this as 5, just to be easy - if you want me to list them all out it's gonna take forever)
almost every male character in every fighting game ever (see above, but even more)
Kratos from God of War
This guy from Nier whose name I don't know
Caddoc from Hunted: The Demon's Forge (who interestingly has less of the attitude than expected - go figure)
the big oaf from Enslaved
the main guy from Darksiders
the main guy from Prototype (had to add him cause right after I posted I saw an ad for this)

Now if we take ones that aren't walking lumps of muscle but still have that same attitude (which is what makes them unrelatable to me in the first place)

Geralt (from what I've seen of him, only in game in TW1)
Nico (never played this, but everything I've seen about him fits)
Solid Snake
Naked Snake

I could keep going, but I have finals coming up and am behind on homework - I'm sure some of the other people in this thread can add others, though, or I can later if you really want.

Also, thanks for the list of female leads, but lol at including Bayonetta. I guess you could say she is, but she's so...ridiculous...I can't even play that game without laughing, just watching her.

Modifié par DrowVampyre, 16 avril 2012 - 10:32 .