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[Shawn Marrster]

Vexille wrote...

did anyone else snicker just a bit when they realized bioware had made the one black squadmate the no good cheater who went and knocked up another woman?

oh bioware... lol

But he got to tap Miranda. 
It must have been that @ss. 

I could not romance Miranda knowing that Jacob been there. 
I would not be surprised if he hooked up with Liara, Jack, Tali, Garrus and Thane. 

[kalikilic]

this is a not too hard question to answer. Yes the romances did take a step back. i've looked at other romance options on youtube and i had my own experience with tali and i think overall, the writing and the dialogues and the choice of cinematics were poorly done. in some cases they did not extend to the idea of the galaxy facing the end of their time (except maybe liara) and in cases where this was done, not enough emotion and feeling was portrayed on the screen. it was a bit too dry and passive for me.

no i did not expect doom and gloom emo shepard with his LI getting dead husk tattoos with hearts around them. but i wanted more meaningful moments of dialogue between shepard and his LI. yes they did have scenes where you had to go out of your way to meet your LI on the citadel and such, but those were manifested well enough in the game. i say all this knowing that shepard is indeed on the most important mission in the galaxy rite now, but that only serves to intensify emotion levels and such.

things may not be the same the next morning when you wake up. you could have died the very next minute from a reaper attack, you could've been overwhelmed in a mission and killed by cerberus forces. but these things werent taken into account and how it would affect your LI's thoughts wasnt explored deeply enough imo. and something like the swing dancing video should've been a part of the game. not necessarily swing dancing, but a moment alone with your LI that was something you didnt see in other games before. and we all saw sex scenes and conversations scenes with hugging and w/e. something like how garrus took you to the top of the citadel. that was well done and it showed the terms by which the reaper attack on the galaxy affected garrus, who was also faced with losing palaven. he just didnt care about the 313 regulations against flying up there anymore. it is something like that that is needed as a scene with your LI. and better (maybe more) and more meaningful dialogue that would show the characters true feelings and how the reapers attack on the galaxy has affected their love toward the man/woman trying to stop the reapers.

Modifié par kalikilic, 16 avril 2012 - 01:17 .

[G Kevin]

Filanwizard wrote...

Talimancers still want that home on Rannoch. =)

Hell yea we do!

[RShara]

strive wrote...

@RShara

Tali and Garrus are fan service romances. They get to bend the rules to whatever appeals the masses.

Glad someone else sees the irony

[Nightwriter]

Occulo wrote...

I felt I spent more time with Liara than my actual LI...

That's because you likely did.

Occulo wrote...

I want to blame it on deadlines. ... They cut out Javik from the main game due to time constraints...

He was day one DLC.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

strive wrote...

@RShara

Tali and Garrus are fan service romances. They get to bend the rules to whatever appeals the masses.

Miranda's entire character was designed as fanservice from the start, as was the entire asari race The only difference is that it wasn't actually asked for, nor done as well.

[shadowreflexion]

Vexille wrote...

did anyone else snicker just a bit when they realized bioware had made the one black squadmate the no good cheater who went and knocked up another woman?

oh bioware... lol

Actually yes, that was like a Maury moment. It also is bothersome when a hetero femshep doesn't have as many romance options as well. But I think the kicker is that Kelly was handled like a DA:II quote," wh*** plying her trade in a back alley." So much was wasted. I believe that it came down to a catering effect. If anyone reads this, I have no intention of starting an argument so please don't use it as an excuse to do so. Anyway, the romances that meant something in ME2 like breaking through to Jack, helping Miranda cope and genuinely showing her care, realizing that Tali was always watching you and seeing her with more than your eyes were forgotten about. But when it came down to S/S realtionships, they were given meaning and scenes longer than the other characters just fading to black like it was taboo.

For an M rated game, it was surprisingly tasteful but on the same token PG. I didn't need any gratuitous nudity but it really felt that they chose to hold back. I mean, I have playthroughs where I romanced almost everyone and the quality of those romances diminished greatly. Tali acts ashamed for being with a human even though Shep was everything that she wanted. Miranda and Jack were reduced to nothing and didn't really share anything new and special with the character and so on and so on.

I strongly believe that if the game had been longer and possibly on 3 discs then I think that many of the romances would have flourished and been able to reflect that. It would have been nice to have that crew member using your cabin for work and just being able to have the option of taken him/her with you around the Citadel every now and then. I think that a longer game would have been able to show and tie up many plotlines. Jacob owed me a drink and I thought that reflected the respect we showed for one another in ME2. For so many hopes and promises, the romance was another that became inconsequential.

I would have liked to see the innocence of ME1 coupled with the intensity of ME2 merge into ME3 and achieve gaming nirvana. I wonder though if a couple of years down the line will they release a "Diamond" edition that really allows you to experience the game the way it should have been experienced? With passion and truth. This is one of the few games that I truly speak or write about and like many have said countless times before me, it deserves better.

Modifié par shadowreflexion, 16 avril 2012 - 01:20 .

[o Ventus]

strive wrote...

@RShara

Tali and Garrus are fan service romances. They get to bend the rules to whatever appeals the masses.

Indeed. Their inclusion as romances confirms this. As does Tali's squad presence in ME3.

[DangerousPuddy]

I was never into the "live my life through a game" want to see blue babies thing...I just don't get it.

What I did want to see was closure for my squad

So yeah romances took a step back, for the story I would have liked to see more, but TBH I didn't care much for them. The squad all around and the story really got me. It's clear though, romances are almost worse than ME1, which is ridiculous. So to those romancers out there I feel your pain.

[o Ventus]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

strive wrote...

@RShara

Tali and Garrus are fan service romances. They get to bend the rules to whatever appeals the masses.

Miranda's entire character was designed as fanservice from the start, as was the entire asari race The only difference is that it wasn't actually asked for, nor done as well.

The difference between Miranda and the asari is that one is genuinely interesting, and the other hoards prothean tech for dominance over everyone else.

Guess which is which.

[RShara]

RShara wrote...

HBK Dew Man wrote...

and the thanemancers. come on you knew he was going to die, he said it in ME 2 you saw it coming.

You also know that a suit puncture on Tali could result in deadly consequences. How'd that go for ya?

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

strive wrote...

@RShara

Tali and Garrus are fan service romances. They get to bend the rules to whatever appeals the masses.

Miranda's entire character was designed as fanservice from the start, as was the entire asari race The only difference is that it wasn't actually asked for, nor done as well.

Honestly, so was Thane's.  He was designed from the ground up as a Female LI.  They had multiple input from women who worked at BW and everything.  He was one of the poster children in 2.

Then they trampled and forgot him in 3 *sigh*

Modifié par RShara, 16 avril 2012 - 01:22 .

[Twilight_Princess]

HBK Dew Man wrote...

and the thanemancers. come on you knew he was going to die, he said it in ME 2 you saw it coming.

"You knew shepard's death was coming. Why are you all mad about the ending? It's cos he died right?"

The reason for the disappointment and anger is not over something so simple as that. We're mad at how the romance was handled . The dialogue and the way he dies works for a non-romanced Thane , it absolutely does not work for people who romanced him. Left as it is, his romance makes no sense, lacks content , feels tacked on and completely retcons important character development. It's broken.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 16 avril 2012 - 01:22 .

[o Ventus]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

HBK Dew Man wrote...

and the thanemancers. come on you knew he was going to die, he said it in ME 2 you saw it coming.

"You knew shepard's death was coming. Why are you all mad about the ending? It's cos he died right?"

The reason for the disappointment and anger is not over something so simple as that. We're mad at how the romance was handled . The dialogue and the way he dies works for a non-romanced Thane , it absolutely does not work for people who romanced him. Left as it is, his romance makes no sense, lacks content , feels tacked on and completely retcons important character development. It's broken.

Fully agree. Thane's romance (Though I've never done it myself, have seen it though) in ME3 feels... almost backwards. In ME2, I remember him rescinding his aloofness towards death, since he found reason to live again in FemShep. Now he's back to not giving a crap.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

I think the reason for Thane's change between ME2 and 3 may be attributed to the fact that he lost his original writer. Then again, so did almost every other LI, so...

[Occulo]

Nightwriter wrote...

Occulo wrote...

I felt I spent more time with Liara than my actual LI...

That's because you likely did.

I interacted with all of my crew as much as I possibly could.

Nightwriter wrote... 

Occulo wrote...

I want to blame it on deadlines. ... They cut out Javik from the main game due to time constraints...

He was day one DLC.

ANd he was originally supposed to be part of the main game, according to the Final Hours app.

[cogsandcurls]

HBK Dew Man wrote...

and the thanemancers. come on you knew he was going to die, he said it in ME 2 you saw it coming.

I did! But I was also under the impression that my Shepard might actually cry over it or he would die in her arms or something. Also that my crew would actually recognise that their Commander had lost a loved one and reacted appropriately (they never mention him ever again). Also that I'd be able to have some decent conversations with him beforehand. Also that his characterisation wouldn't go backwards

[The Spamming Troll]

i definitely wanted more facetime with my LI. doing the zaeed type conversations was nothing im interested in. i liked diving into dialogue wheels and talking about whatever i can talk about.

i dont like the passer bye talk at all.

i was looking for something more at first too. especially since i was ful blown committed to ashley. in ME3 its like she barely acknowledges me. sucks they have to make the character arc only one way so it makes sense to new relationships. i jsut didnt like that i was already in a relationship with someone who didnt know we were in a relationship, or space magic or something.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 16 avril 2012 - 01:29 .

[sedrikhcain]

RShara wrote...

RShara wrote...

HBK Dew Man wrote...

and the thanemancers. come on you knew he was going to die, he said it in ME 2 you saw it coming.

You also know that a suit puncture on Tali could result in deadly consequences. How'd that go for ya?

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

strive wrote...

@RShara

Tali and Garrus are fan service romances. They get to bend the rules to whatever appeals the masses.

Miranda's entire character was designed as fanservice from the start, as was the entire asari race The only difference is that it wasn't actually asked for, nor done as well.

Honestly, so was Thane's.  He was designed from the ground up as a Female LI.  They had multiple input from women who worked at BW and everything.  He was one of the poster children in 2.

Then they trampled and forgot him in 3 *sigh*

When it's something someone else wants, it's fan service. When it's something you want, it's vital to the game.

Not speaking to you or anyone else in particular, Rshara, just making a general observation.

[kalikilic]

maybe they could've had a scene where your LI actually has a fight with you. it could've been a scene where your LI succumbs to the pressure of the mission and just gets a bit frantic and doesnt want you to leave the normandy for london, or something like that for the fear that you would die and they'd never see you again and all that. i can imagine this with tali and ashley, not liara so much. something like this would've been perfect to see. it was scenes like that that would portray a sense of despair and anguish brought on again by the reapers.

just a random idea i just got. dont bite my head off if it sounds awful.

[lillitheris]

lillitheris wrote...

Please see my thread on LI improvements for the Extended Cut. Some suggestions addressing exactly the complaints from the OP.

I'll mention this one again, since it sounds like you guys could help add to/vet the ideas in there.

[goofyomnivore]

Miranda's entire character was designed as fanservice from the start, as was the entire asari race The only difference is that it wasn't actually asked for, nor done as well.

Miranda's outfit is fan service no doubt, so are the camera angles. However I don't see much of it other than that. Garrus and Tali have the whole different dna thing to overcome that is much larger than a wardrobe.

Asari are a stupid race and I hate their concept with a passion. The Asari like you said were designed to be that way. However Dextro DNA was presented as a big deal/hurdle then reduced to a "cold and chafing" in the second game out of fan outrage.

Modifié par strive, 16 avril 2012 - 01:33 .

[Twilight_Princess]

o Ventus wrote...


Fully agree. Thane's romance (Though I've never done it myself, have seen it though) in ME3 feels... almost backwards. In ME2, I remember him rescinding his aloofness towards death, since he found reason to live again in FemShep. Now he's back to not giving a crap.

THIS HUMAN UNDERSTANDS!

Sorry, it's just so refreshing to see non-romancers who get the Thane problem! There aren't enough of you.

[sedrikhcain]

RShara wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

RShara wrote...
6 months
Shepard was incarcerated for trying to save the galaxy. She couldn't write or call.
Very short time to hook up and impregnate another girl...

You do realize they were together for all of about two weeks while trying to stop the Collectors, right? And how do you know Shepard couldn't write or call?

I just think this Cheater thing is a little silly. They're hookup was a total fling and people are acting like they're married and he had an affair.

Um, no, read my other post in response to this. ME3 takes place over the course of about 9 months and Jacob is one of the first to be picked up. He also tells Shepard, "I love you," during his romance scene. Apparently love lasts less than six months when the one you love is locked up for saving the galaxy.

howieloader wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

RShara wrote...

Wulfram wrote....

CerealWar wrote...
Shepard
and Co. just standing there gawking while Thane fights for his life was just terrible. So much went wrong with that level. Introducing Leng as Shepard's rival/ foil. Aggh!

I took it that they couldn't safely get a shot in with all the cool martial arts stuff going on, so it didn't bother me too much.

Sorry, there were TONS of places where they could have gotten shots in. Not to mention the martial arts were kinda sad.
I mean...who charges a sword? When they're holding a gun?
Picture analysis of KL vs Thane

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I looked at your "analysis" and you've got a real problem... You can't appreciate art...

(Edit: Isn't quoting properly, weird.)

My biggest problem with that fight was that master assassin Thane had KL dead to rights at point-blank range and hesitated so badly that he never even got a shot off before KL disarmed him. Someone will immediately argue that Thane was sick and it slowed him down but a) by the time KL turned to look, Thane's gun was almost touching him. Someone as skilled as Thane would've executed KL way before then. Thane was well enough after KL isarmed him to spar with the guy and knock him to the ground with a quick, precise combo. So if his illness slowed him down at first, it certainly didn't just a few seconds later.

Ehhmmmm How is that art? Thane had him Dead to Rights before KL even knew Thane was there. It's about as artistic as the ending (read: stupid and full of holes).
Basically what Howieloader said.

Edit to fix formatting

that wasn't howieloader, that was me.

[G Kevin]

I have only had Tali as my LI so I don't know how others were specifically but I do know that Bioware pretty much shafted the ME2 characters. Why Bioware couldn't put the effort into other LI's is beyond me. Hell, they put time into new LI's such as Traynor.

[Mr.House]

I still refuse to import my Thane and Miranda imports, don't see the point. I won't get the enjoyment I got from my Liara, Kaidan and Ash(some not as much as Kaidan and Liara though)

In the end I doubt Bioware will fix it. They are not fixing the ending, so I doubt they will fix what happen to the poor ME2 LI(minus Garrus and Tali)