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[RShara]

sedrikhcain wrote...

RShara wrote...

Could you clarify which part was yours?

I wrote this: My biggest problem with that fight was that master assassin Thane had KL dead to rights at point-blank range and hesitated so badly that he never even got a shot off before KL disarmed him. Someone will immediately argue that Thane was sick and it slowed him down but a) by the time KL turned to look, Thane's gun was almost touching him. Someone as skilled as Thane would've executed KL way before then. Thane was well enough after KL isarmed him to spar with the guy and knock him to the ground with a quick, precise combo. So if his illness slowed him down at first, it certainly didn't just a few seconds later.

... which somehow got clipped. Yeah, the quoting system gets cumbersome very quickly. Oh well.

Ah!  Sorry!  Yes I totally agree with you.  I *didn't* understand the "I don't appreciate art" part lol.

Edit:  Sorry, the quoting system is REALLY hating me today...

Modifié par RShara, 16 avril 2012 - 02:11 .

[shadowreflexion]

 I also have to add this as well. Right when you're starting the assault on Cerberus, it also bothered me that if you're remaining faithful to an ME2 LI, then it would have been nice to have a special "Vid" chat with them since they coudn't be with you physically. ME2 had the whole picture deal but players could have been rewarded with extra dialogue.

[o Ventus]

Mr.House wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

EionaCousland wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

EionaCousland wrote...

I thought the romance scenes were better. I wasn't for the awkward fondling thing you could do in 2.

Except none of them in ME2 were "Awkward fondling".

Well, maybe Jacob's. FemShep went into maximum Cougar-drive with that one.

I'm talking about how you could just go up to them at any time in the cabin and just lay there next to them, fondling them. It is just weird, in my opinion, lol. You don't have to think it's awkward, but I did. :x

Then again, the romance cutscenes in 2 for the most part are all cut short, as well. At least they aren't as long as my romance scenes in 1 & 3 with Kaidan. Not that I'm complaining,I don't really mind. I just much prefer the way it was in 1 & 3.

I don't know about any of the other romances, but there was no awkward fondling with Miranda. I will admit though, the lap-sitting on Shepard's couch was... weird. Not creepy or anything, just... weird. Like, you'd never see two people doing that in real life. The snuggling on the bed I thought was adorable, but I digress.

To each their own.

No but Miranda had the horrible engien room.

I may be alone, but I don't necessarily consider that a negative. I see it as Bioware acknowledging her sexuality, but not presenting her as a skank.

Then of course, they had to go and write her Shadow Broker dossier...

[Mr.House]

shadowreflexion wrote...

 I also have to add this as well. Right when you're starting the assault on Cerberus, it also bothered me that if you're remaining faithful to an ME2 LI, then it would have been nice to have a special "Vid" chat with them since they coudn't be with you physically. ME2 had the whole picture deal but players could have been rewarded with extra dialogue.

Don't ME2 romancers look at a pic of their ME2 LI  before attacking Cerberus Base similar to how in ME2 if you stayed faithful to Liara, Kaidan or Ash you looekd at their pic?

Modifié par Mr.House, 16 avril 2012 - 02:14 .

[o Ventus]

Mr.House wrote...

shadowreflexion wrote...

 I also have to add this as well. Right when you're starting the assault on Cerberus, it also bothered me that if you're remaining faithful to an ME2 LI, then it would have been nice to have a special "Vid" chat with them since they coudn't be with you physically. ME2 had the whole picture deal but players could have been rewarded with extra dialogue.

Don't ME2 romancers look at a pic of their ME2 LI similar to how in ME2 if you stayed faithful to Liara, Kaidan or Ash you looekd at their pic?

Nope.Tali's the only one who gives you a memento (The photoshopped picture). The ME2 romances don't have anything before Cronos station. Shepard just wakes up from his dream, alone.

[RShara]

Mr.House wrote...

shadowreflexion wrote...

 I also have to add this as well. Right when you're starting the assault on Cerberus, it also bothered me that if you're remaining faithful to an ME2 LI, then it would have been nice to have a special "Vid" chat with them since they coudn't be with you physically. ME2 had the whole picture deal but players could have been rewarded with extra dialogue.

Don't ME2 romancers look at a pic of their ME2 LI  before attacking Cerberus Base similar to how in ME2 if you stayed faithful to Liara, Kaidan or Ash you looekd at their pic?

Edit:  Sorry misread it as ME1 LI at the end of ME2

No there's absolutely nothing abou the ME2 romances before the attack, except maybe Tali

Modifié par RShara, 16 avril 2012 - 02:17 .

[utaker1988]

Looking back and with FlyCam, I can easily see where I was being mocked at the very moment I was given the option to romance Thane:

 

In case it's not readily noticeable, upper leftish closer to the middle of the pic. Sigh, if only I had seen this the first time.      

[sedrikhcain]

o Ventus wrote...

Then of course, they had to go and write her Shadow Broker dossier...

What was wrong with that? Seriously.

[o Ventus]

sedrikhcain wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Then of course, they had to go and write her Shadow Broker dossier...

What was wrong with that? Seriously.

Almost everything.

1. The doctor's note. It paints her infertility as something that's irreparable. Even with today's tech, we can administer treatment to infertile women, but now Miranda is forbidden from having kids? Hell, Mordin, a lone salarian, engineered the genophage modification, artificially altering the birthrate of an entire species, and then cured his own disease. Something as simple as infertility should be as simple as a quick trip to the doctor's office.

2. The iPartners thing. It paints her as a skank. Who knows how many guys she searched for. Another thing is, her username is LawBringer SR-2. Does that mean she did all of it while on the mission against the Collectors? Y'know, while Shepard was romancing her?

3. Chat with Oriana. Depending on how you look at it, you could think Miranda to be socially stunted, what with how awkward she is with her own sister.

[o Ventus]

utaker1988 wrote...

Looking back and with FlyCam, I can easily see where I was being mocked at the very moment I was given the option to romance Thane:

 

In case it's not readily noticeable, upper leftish closer to the middle of the pic. Sigh, if only I had seen this the first time.      

Same thing on Miranda's computer, and on Jack's little PDA.

*sigh*

[Deuterium_Dawn]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

tvman099 wrote...

RShara wrote...

HBK Dew Man wrote...

and the thanemancers. come on you knew he was going to die, he said it in ME 2 you saw it coming.

You also know that a suit puncture on Tali could result in deadly consequences. How'd that go for ya?

I also know that going into battle means you could get shot and die.

Neither of those are foregone conclusions. Thane dying in ME3 was. Conjuring up some way to make him live would be cheap.

Do you feel that the option to allow mordin to live cheapens his profound death on tuchunka? Or the fact that Thane can replace Kirrahe cheapens that character's sacrifice? And "conjure" implies you think we're asking for a cure to be pulled out of thin air instead of, you know...using the hinted possible treatments in ME2.

Given that you have to kill Wrex and destroy Maelon's data and are essentially dooming the Krogan people, not really. Alot is sacrificed to reach that point regardless. Mordin accepting the sabotage with Wrex and Eve alive and the Krogan having a chance for a future would have. It would have run completely counter to all the development he'd had up until then. I'm not sure how Kirrahe not dying if Thane is alive even equates. There is no cheapening of Kirrahe's sacrifice, Thane takes the "bullet"(in a ridiculous swordfight) in his place. If Thane is dead, Kirrahe dies. Nothing is pulled so that he can survive a point blank bullet wound. That said, I would support a cure, I just don't really think the examples being used apply.

Modifié par Deuterium_Dawn, 16 avril 2012 - 02:36 .

[sedrikhcain]

o Ventus wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Then of course, they had to go and write her Shadow Broker dossier...

What was wrong with that? Seriously.

Almost everything.

1. The doctor's note. It paints her infertility as something that's irreparable. Even with today's tech, we can administer treatment to infertile women, but now Miranda is forbidden from having kids? Hell, Mordin, a lone salarian, engineered the genophage modification, artificially altering the birthrate of an entire species, and then cured his own disease. Something as simple as infertility should be as simple as a quick trip to the doctor's office.

2. The iPartners thing. It paints her as a skank. Who knows how many guys she searched for. Another thing is, her username is LawBringer SR-2. Does that mean she did all of it while on the mission against the Collectors? Y'know, while Shepard was romancing her?

3. Chat with Oriana. Depending on how you look at it, you could think Miranda to be socially stunted, what with how awkward she is with her own sister.

1. Maybe it was about her wanting to do it naturally. Certainly understandable considering all her misgivings about her genetic modification.

2. Skank isn't the word I'd use but I understand that it doesn't paint her in a good light. As I asked, though, what's wrong with that? I thought it added some heft to her character. Given her background, it makes perfect sense to me that she would have major problems with romantic relationships. Doesn't make her look good but I think it makes for a better character.

3. Again, how on earth would someone like Miranda NOT be socially stunted?

[Jadebaby]

o Ventus wrote...

Almost everything.

1. The doctor's note. It paints her infertility as something that's irreparable. Even with today's tech, we can administer treatment to infertile women, but now Miranda is forbidden from having kids? Hell, Mordin, a lone salarian, engineered the genophage modification, artificially altering the birthrate of an entire species, and then cured his own disease. Something as simple as infertility should be as simple as a quick trip to the doctor's office.

2. The iPartners thing. It paints her as a skank. Who knows how many guys she searched for. Another thing is, her username is LawBringer SR-2. Does that mean she did all of it while on the mission against the Collectors? Y'know, while Shepard was romancing her?

3. Chat with Oriana. Depending on how you look at it, you could think Miranda to be socially stunted, what with how awkward she is with her own sister.

Maybe she didn't have the proper organs to begin with. She was based mostly on her father after all....

[someguy1231]

I hate all of the romances in general, so anything that makes them "take a step back" is fine with me.

[o Ventus]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Almost everything.

1. The doctor's note. It paints her infertility as something that's irreparable. Even with today's tech, we can administer treatment to infertile women, but now Miranda is forbidden from having kids? Hell, Mordin, a lone salarian, engineered the genophage modification, artificially altering the birthrate of an entire species, and then cured his own disease. Something as simple as infertility should be as simple as a quick trip to the doctor's office.

2. The iPartners thing. It paints her as a skank. Who knows how many guys she searched for. Another thing is, her username is LawBringer SR-2. Does that mean she did all of it while on the mission against the Collectors? Y'know, while Shepard was romancing her?

3. Chat with Oriana. Depending on how you look at it, you could think Miranda to be socially stunted, what with how awkward she is with her own sister.

Maybe she didn't have the proper organs to begin with. She was based mostly on her father after all....

We have recorded the entire human genome. Henry Lawson is practically richer than God, and a certified grade-A genius. Not to mention that her infertility is "benign neoplasmic tumors", I HIGHLY doubt it's an issue of her "not having the right organs".

[AxeloftheKey]

Mr.House wrote...

AxeloftheKey wrote...

Some of the romances took a nosedive. The Tali one is great, except I wanted an option for my Shepard to ask about her early on. You don't get her 'til later, and at that point it's like she didn't exist to my Shepard, who was definitely already in love with her, based on how ME1 and 2 went. So like, that bugged me.

The way they handled the love triangles was bull**** if you romanced an ME2 person. You get confronted once by another LI, like Liara, and asked if you want to be with them. You can say yes, then you are. But when you get to talk to the ME2 romance again, they ask you what you want. If you say yes to them, the other person you said yes to ends without a conversation. Happened to me with Liara and Miranda, I was pissed. I expected to have a catfight, but no. I said yes to Liara, then yes to Miranda, and I was stuck with Miranda and Liara had one random dialogue spout to mention it when I went to talk to her. I was annoyed that the game doesn't let you know. I realize they're making it realistic in a sense, but Liara shouldn't just automatically figure it out. That was pretty stupid.

Yes because women should always fight over a men.

No, but I should at least get a conversation where Liara is upset with me after I say I wanna romance her, then tell Miranda I wanna romance her. If you go to her room and talk to her, she will just say (out of a conversation) that she thinks you and Miranda will be happy together. How did she find out? When? Why is she this calm about it?  I at least want a conversation where I could play my Renegade Shepard for the **** he is.

[Jadebaby]

o Ventus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Almost everything.

1. The doctor's note. It paints her infertility as something that's irreparable. Even with today's tech, we can administer treatment to infertile women, but now Miranda is forbidden from having kids? Hell, Mordin, a lone salarian, engineered the genophage modification, artificially altering the birthrate of an entire species, and then cured his own disease. Something as simple as infertility should be as simple as a quick trip to the doctor's office.

2. The iPartners thing. It paints her as a skank. Who knows how many guys she searched for. Another thing is, her username is LawBringer SR-2. Does that mean she did all of it while on the mission against the Collectors? Y'know, while Shepard was romancing her?

3. Chat with Oriana. Depending on how you look at it, you could think Miranda to be socially stunted, what with how awkward she is with her own sister.

Maybe she didn't have the proper organs to begin with. She was based mostly on her father after all....

We have recorded the entire human genome. Henry Lawson is practically richer than God, and a certified grade-A genius. Not to mention that her infertility is "benign neoplasmic tumors", I HIGHLY doubt it's an issue of her "not having the right organs".

Well I never read her dossier and have never played a male shep to romance her, couldn't care less, was a guess.....

What sedrikhcain said....

[CronoDragoon]

o Ventus wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Then of course, they had to go and write her Shadow Broker dossier...

What was wrong with that? Seriously.

Almost everything.

1. The doctor's note. It paints her infertility as something that's irreparable. Even with today's tech, we can administer treatment to infertile women, but now Miranda is forbidden from having kids? Hell, Mordin, a lone salarian, engineered the genophage modification, artificially altering the birthrate of an entire species, and then cured his own disease. Something as simple as infertility should be as simple as a quick trip to the doctor's office.

2. The iPartners thing. It paints her as a skank. Who knows how many guys she searched for. Another thing is, her username is LawBringer SR-2. Does that mean she did all of it while on the mission against the Collectors? Y'know, while Shepard was romancing her?

3. Chat with Oriana. Depending on how you look at it, you could think Miranda to be socially stunted, what with how awkward she is with her own sister.

Hm, I really didn't get this feeling from the dossier.

First, the infertility thing really endeared me to her. Here is this woman engineered to be perfect, but what was taken away from her was arguably the greatest joy of all. But your point about ME science is well taken, I guess I was just willing to let it slide because I thought it added a lot to her character.

I took the dating service thing to be a bit like why Tyrion only gets with ****s in Game of Thrones: he doesn't feel like he deserves better. Miranda to me seemed like someone who sees herself (during ME2, before Shepard can change her mind) as someone fundamentally different from normal humans. She believes she is how she is for a specific purpose given from above, and she doesn't believe that she deserves the right to pursue love for herself. Hence, the sexual connections devoid of any emotion or pursuance of a relationship. I also don't think she was doing it while on the Collector mission; it seems feasible that the Normandy began reconstruction at the same time as Shepard since TIM seemed to have a specific plan to rebuild Shepard and all of his connections in order to replicate his success against Sovereign. But I don't have any evidence for this claim.

I do think Miranda is socially stunted, but why is this a bad thing? It's a nuance of her character, and I don't believe she's had much time to be herself or forge her own personality while growing up with her father or working for TIM.

To summarize, I loved Miranda's dossier and thought it really gave her character some great depth.

[o Ventus]

sedrikhcain wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Then of course, they had to go and write her Shadow Broker dossier...

What was wrong with that? Seriously.

Almost everything.

1. The doctor's note. It paints her infertility as something that's irreparable. Even with today's tech, we can administer treatment to infertile women, but now Miranda is forbidden from having kids? Hell, Mordin, a lone salarian, engineered the genophage modification, artificially altering the birthrate of an entire species, and then cured his own disease. Something as simple as infertility should be as simple as a quick trip to the doctor's office.

2. The iPartners thing. It paints her as a skank. Who knows how many guys she searched for. Another thing is, her username is LawBringer SR-2. Does that mean she did all of it while on the mission against the Collectors? Y'know, while Shepard was romancing her?

3. Chat with Oriana. Depending on how you look at it, you could think Miranda to be socially stunted, what with how awkward she is with her own sister.

1. Maybe it was about her wanting to do it naturally. Certainly understandable considering all her misgivings about her genetic modification.

2. Skank isn't the word I'd use but I understand that it doesn't paint her in a good light. As I asked, though, what's wrong with that? I thought it added some heft to her character. Given her background, it makes perfect sense to me that she would have major problems with romantic relationships. Doesn't make her look good but I think it makes for a better character.

3. Again, how on earth would someone like Miranda NOT be socially stunted?

1. Don't use the term "maybe". This is supposed to be semi-pliable science fiction. In a universe where cloning seems to be fairly common and people can be brought back to life after 2 years of decomposition, I'm pretty sure tumors can be safely removed (Hint: we can do it nowadays). Either it's possible, or it isn't.

2. Way to miss my point. How does it "make for better character", and still paint her in a bad light? You also neglected to address her username. The SR2 was kept under wraps until it was shown to Joker, so it means that she had to have gone manhunting while Shepard was courting her. There's no real indication that Miranda has problems in relationships, either. The only previous mention was Jacob, and going by his dialogue, it seems more his fault than anyone's (She requires a better man than I). I mean, Shepard and Miranda mesh together fairly easily.

3. Because that's the only point in the entire franchise where something like that happens. Just an unnecessary dose of stupid.

[MattFini]

cogsandcurls wrote...


I'm not clear on what the situation is with Jack at the moment. Am I right in thinking that Jack only actually gets the Grissom mission (which we all got), the Purgatory scene (ditto) and then the holo at the end? Do Jackmancers at least get some kind of extended version of the Purgatory scene with her? It was awesome for me, but I WASN'T romancing her. I kind of assumed that if you were romancing her that scene would end up with sincere talking and/or drinking and/or sex scene. I'm guessing that's not the case, since I've several posts referencing her, Jacob and Thane as the most hard done by?

Yeah,Jack's romance is really no different than if you don't romance her, save for a few kisses at Grissom, on the shuttle right after and then one in Purgatory.

I was so disappointed in that.

[o Ventus]

MattFini wrote...

cogsandcurls wrote...


I'm not clear on what the situation is with Jack at the moment. Am I right in thinking that Jack only actually gets the Grissom mission (which we all got), the Purgatory scene (ditto) and then the holo at the end? Do Jackmancers at least get some kind of extended version of the Purgatory scene with her? It was awesome for me, but I WASN'T romancing her. I kind of assumed that if you were romancing her that scene would end up with sincere talking and/or drinking and/or sex scene. I'm guessing that's not the case, since I've several posts referencing her, Jacob and Thane as the most hard done by?

Yeah,Jack's romance is really no different than if you don't romance her, save for a few kisses at Grissom, on the shuttle right after and then one in Purgatory.

I was so disappointed in that.

It really does go to show how much they seem to care about the ME2 cast.

[sedrikhcain]

o Ventus wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Then of course, they had to go and write her Shadow Broker dossier...

What was wrong with that? Seriously.

Almost everything.

1. The doctor's note. It paints her infertility as something that's irreparable. Even with today's tech, we can administer treatment to infertile women, but now Miranda is forbidden from having kids? Hell, Mordin, a lone salarian, engineered the genophage modification, artificially altering the birthrate of an entire species, and then cured his own disease. Something as simple as infertility should be as simple as a quick trip to the doctor's office.

2. The iPartners thing. It paints her as a skank. Who knows how many guys she searched for. Another thing is, her username is LawBringer SR-2. Does that mean she did all of it while on the mission against the Collectors? Y'know, while Shepard was romancing her?

3. Chat with Oriana. Depending on how you look at it, you could think Miranda to be socially stunted, what with how awkward she is with her own sister.

1. Maybe it was about her wanting to do it naturally. Certainly understandable considering all her misgivings about her genetic modification.

2. Skank isn't the word I'd use but I understand that it doesn't paint her in a good light. As I asked, though, what's wrong with that? I thought it added some heft to her character. Given her background, it makes perfect sense to me that she would have major problems with romantic relationships. Doesn't make her look good but I think it makes for a better character.

3. Again, how on earth would someone like Miranda NOT be socially stunted?

1. Don't use the term "maybe". This is supposed to be semi-pliable science fiction. In a universe where cloning seems to be fairly common and people can be brought back to life after 2 years of decomposition, I'm pretty sure tumors can be safely removed (Hint: we can do it nowadays). Either it's possible, or it isn't.

2. Way to miss my point. How does it "make for better character", and still paint her in a bad light? You also neglected to address her username. The SR2 was kept under wraps until it was shown to Joker, so it means that she had to have gone manhunting while Shepard was courting her. There's no real indication that Miranda has problems in relationships, either. The only previous mention was Jacob, and going by his dialogue, it seems more his fault than anyone's (She requires a better man than I). I mean, Shepard and Miranda mesh together fairly easily.

3. Because that's the only point in the entire franchise where something like that happens. Just an unnecessary dose of stupid.

1. All right, take out the word maybe then. Point still stands.

2. I didn't miss your point. You missed mine. What makes for a "better" character doesn't always mean making that character a better person. Good characters are interesting. I found this whole situation made Miranda more interesting. If you didn't, fine, but making characters more complex is welcome, in my experience. And you're extrapolating A TON from one line of dialogue from Jacob, which could be taken a whole lot of ways.

3. Your opinion, based on nothing but your preferences. Obviously we disagree. No need to elaborate further.

[sedrikhcain]

o Ventus wrote: You also neglected to address her username. The SR2 was kept under wraps until it was shown to Joker, so it means that she had to have gone manhunting while Shepard was courting her.


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You mean she continued whatever dating pursuits she had going on while was very cautious entering a relationship with her commanding officer under the pressure of a deadly mission? The brazen harlot!
 
Look, I don't care if any of the stuff about her relationship makes her look like less of a "perfect" person -- as stated, i think that makes a more interesting person -- but I don't even think this makes her look all that bad.

Modifié par sedrikhcain, 16 avril 2012 - 02:59 .

[KevinTang]

I didn't really think the romances lacked in quality, what bothered me most was the lack of real back-and-forth dialogue between shepard and his love interest, though this problem is more noticeable with Kaidan and Ashley than with Liara. The relative lack of physical interaction until the final romance scene might be a slight turn-off, but I can overlook it given the amount of crap Shepard is busy with in building up that armada of his. I do agree with you about the romance-lock scene in the Presidium, it was pretty heartbreaking to hear Liara refer to her and Shepard as 'friends' after Shepard had remained loyal thru me2. But comparatively speaking, the Liara romance in ME3 is much better than all the other ones so I wouldn't be complaining too much about it.