409 réponses à ce sujet

[Bantz]

i think the ME2 romances (Miranda, Thane, Jack and Jacob for sure) got shafted. But Garrus had some nice moments, Liara was sweet though she referred to me as "friend" a few times.

The Tali romance did anything but take a step back. The flirtations on rannoch and the geth dreadnaught were priceless.

[o Ventus]

sedrikhcain wrote...
2. I didn't miss your point. You missed mine. What makes for a "better" character doesn't always mean making that character a better person. Good characters are interesting. I found this whole situation made Miranda more interesting. If you didn't, fine, but making characters more complex is welcome, in my experience. And you're extrapolating A TON from one line of dialogue from Jacob, which could be taken a whole lot of ways.

3. Your opinion, based on nothing but your preferences. Obviously we disagree. No need to elaborate further.

2. That's not the only bit of Jacob's dialogue referencing it. You can talk to Jacob (First conversation on the Normandy, I believe) and express interest in Miranda, to which Jacob replies "If I knew what made her tick, I'd either be with her or dead". Not an implicit confession, but that, coupled with his "better man" bit, PLUS his cheating on FemShep, and it's not a stretch to assume Jacob was the one having relationship problems, not Miranda.

3.. Not... really...

[OriginalNameGuy]

I think they were about as good as they were in the other two games. Some touching moments some cheesy. The only one I would call bad is Jacob's but that is for obvious reasons.(sorry Shepard couldn't wait six months, but I did have time to get someone pregnant)

[sedrikhcain]

o Ventus wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...
2. I didn't miss your point. You missed mine. What makes for a "better" character doesn't always mean making that character a better person. Good characters are interesting. I found this whole situation made Miranda more interesting. If you didn't, fine, but making characters more complex is welcome, in my experience. And you're extrapolating A TON from one line of dialogue from Jacob, which could be taken a whole lot of ways.

3. Your opinion, based on nothing but your preferences. Obviously we disagree. No need to elaborate further.

2. That's not the only bit of Jacob's dialogue referencing it. You can talk to Jacob (First conversation on the Normandy, I believe) and express interest in Miranda, to which Jacob replies "If I knew what made her tick, I'd either be with her or dead". Not an implicit confession, but that, coupled with his "better man" bit, PLUS his cheating on FemShep, and it's not a stretch to assume Jacob was the one having relationship problems, not Miranda.

3.. Not... really...

2 (again) All right, I'll play this extrapolation game with you. If Jacob says "If I knew what made her tick, I'd either be with her or dead", don't  you think that suggests she's difficult to get to know? And, honestly, they're both presented as having relationship issues (like most people, in reality). Why do you accept his but reject hers? Especially since they've dated and broken up.


ETA: and if she's the "perfect" woman  with no flaws, why has she had failed relationships anyway? It doesn't make sense and it shouldn't. Problems make her far more interesting.

Modifié par sedrikhcain, 16 avril 2012 - 03:03 .

[CronoDragoon]

Tali's romance was way better in ME3 if only because Shepard never says "Captain's orders."

Ugh that was awful!

[sedrikhcain]

btw, just to back up what i mean about a better character. My current playthrough is romancing Miranda, carrying over from 2. I like Miranda and the character, "warts" and all.

[CronoDragoon]

sedrikhcain wrote...

btw, just to back up what i mean about a better character. My current playthrough is romancing Miranda, carrying over from 2. I like Miranda and the character, "warts" and all.

Yeah, Mary Sue characters must be avoided at all costs. Flaws are what endear us to characters because they can remind us of ourselves.

[lomifeh]

Yeah the Tali romance was well done in ME3. It followed a natural progression from ME2 and while she didn't get a date on the Citadel, she got all of Rannoch basically. Some really good and touching moments too. The final goodbye scene was pretty heartbreaking though.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Tali's romance was way better in ME3 if only because Shepard never says "Captain's orders."

Ugh that was awful!

You know there's an alternate dialogue option in that scene.

[BentOrgy]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Tali's romance was way better in ME3 if only because Shepard never says "Captain's orders."

Ugh that was awful!

Oh? You found the lifeless and impersonal twenty second pre Cerberus base scene better? And lets not forget that "Photo," we received. Really, a hand full of squad banter doesn't make me feel attached; actual conversations with actual depth do.

Combine that with the insulting treatment of Jacob and Thane, and in short OP, yes, it was a staggering step backward. Unless your name is Liara.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 16 avril 2012 - 03:13 .

[RShara]

Tali's picture was an awful and cheap cop out. It wasn't even a GOOD shoop...

[Lyrebon]

It's a shame really when you consider the lack of any strong RPG's in the market. If only developers took notes from Bethesda about doing RPG's the right way.

I would like to know why games have been dumbed down the last decade. Do they think society is too simple for games like Contra, Devil May Cry or Ninja Gaiden? Some of the best games are also some of the most complex and it's a shame games are simplified nowadays. The likes of veteran mode difficulties in shooters are laughably easy. Praise the day when developers start unleashing more games like Demon Souls (Japan seem to have the RPG department right).

I missed Liara in ME2 and it really sucks there's little intimacy between her and Shep. The dialogue in general felt vapid for the most part. After getting used to the reputation responses predominantly through the first two games I was disappointed to see such a sparsity of them in 3. And at any one time you'd have only two dialogue choices, both of which differ only slightly.

[CronoDragoon]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Tali's romance was way better in ME3 if only because Shepard never says "Captain's orders."

Ugh that was awful!

You know there's an alternate dialogue option in that scene.

Yeah, well, I didn't know he was going to say that when I picked that option...

[CronoDragoon]

BentOrgy wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Tali's romance was way better in ME3 if only because Shepard never says "Captain's orders."

Ugh that was awful!

Oh? You found the lifeless and impersonal twenty second pre Cerberus base scene better? And lets not forget that "Photo," we received. Really, a hand full of squad banter doesn't make me feel attached; actual conversations with actual depth do.

Combine that with the insulting treatment of Jacob and Thane, and in short OP, yes, it was a staggering step backward. Unless your name is Liara.

That scene was far from lifeless and impersonal. And the writing for Tali on Rannoch surpasses anything in ME2.

[webhead921]

I think they were the best in Me3, when compared to Me1 and Me2. Also, I don't get why people are upset about the Jacob thing. A character moves on and finds someone else? It happens in fiction all the time. Based on Me2, Jacob and femshep didn't even really seem to have that strong of a relationship to begin with.

[RShara]

webhead921 wrote...

I think they were the best in Me3, when compared to Me1 and Me2. Also, I don't get why people are upset about the Jacob thing. A character moves on and finds someone else? It happens in fiction all the time. Based on Me2, Jacob and femshep didn't even really seem to have that strong of a relationship to begin with.

He says, "I love you."  

[Serp86]

They didn't take a step back considering they weren't all that great in ME1 and ME2. I mean what do you actually get in those games ? A few lines of dialogue static on the same place that person allways stands and one romance scene. Actually they improved for half of them though not for Jack/Thane/Jacob and maybe Miranda. ( not sure here but Miranda gets alot more time than the other 3 ) .

There's more a good amount more dialogue and interaction acknowledging the romance than it was in ME2 and ME1.

I mean the actual romance scenes leave alot to be desired yes but oh well this isn't the Witcher 2...

I romanced Tali and was happy with it. Yeah the romance scene sucked and the photo was sloppy and lazy but the actual dialogue was great ( well other than the Keelah se'lai after Tali tells Shepard she loves him that was kinda strange... i mean they copy enough stuff in the game just go with "I know" that would've worked just as well as it did in SW ) and thats most important.  It felt i don't know real (?) i guess .

Modifié par Serp86, 16 avril 2012 - 04:13 .

[OgFux69]

Another ''Liara guy'' here. I agree with pretty much everything said by OP, but I gotta admit that we were pretty much privileged. Got the best love scene of'em all, and a few cute dialogues.

[webhead921]

RShara wrote...

webhead921 wrote...

I think they were the best in Me3, when compared to Me1 and Me2. Also, I don't get why people are upset about the Jacob thing. A character moves on and finds someone else? It happens in fiction all the time. Based on Me2, Jacob and femshep didn't even really seem to have that strong of a relationship to begin with.

He says, "I love you."  

People say "I love you" all the time, in fact it is very common in monogomous relationships.  That doesn't mean the relationship is particularly strong.  I've always felt that Jacob's was more physical attraction than anything.  Kaidan, Garrus, and Thane all seemed to have more meaningful relationships than Jacob.  Why is so hard for people to accept that a potential LI ends up with someone else?

[RShara]

See I felt that way about Garrus in ME2--that his romance was more of a fling. But could you imagine the outcry if Garrus had dumped femShep?that would have taken way more guts than low-balling Jacob fans.

Modifié par RShara, 16 avril 2012 - 04:16 .

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Serp86 wrote...

I romanced Tali and was happy with it. Yeah the romance scene sucked and the photo was sloppy and lazy but the actual dialogue was great ( well other than the Keelah se'lai after Tali tells Shepard she loves him that was kinda strange... i mean they copy enough stuff in the game just go with "I know" that would've worked just as well as it did in SW ) and thats most important.  It felt i don't know real (?) i guess .

Time to repeat my post from a different thread:

I actually thought it made the scene more powerful. He's basically telling her he's going to win back her homeworld for her; I think it shows how much he cares more than just parroting her own line right back at her would be.

And then on Earth at the end of the game they recall that moment on Rannoch, but they say each other's lines, so it's like the same thing only in reverse. i like how they go full circle like that.

Modifié par Mr. Big Pimpin, 16 avril 2012 - 04:25 .

[webhead921]

Ha, I can imagine how much the garrus-mances and tali-mancers would flip out if they made garrus/tali dump shep for eachother.

[RShara]

Exactly! So why does Jacob have to get the shaft? Because he doesn't have a big fanbase? Lazy..

If they wanted it to have a dramatic impact they would have chosen a mainstream character. Instead it just comes across as lazy and insulting.

[Ketten]

My main playthrough was a Garrus romance, and I found it pretty satisfactory, it went from a friends with benefits thing in ME2 to an actual relationship in ME3, and then he was talking babies, lolwat.

But my poor poor renegade Shepard and her tragic love for Thane. That was like a kick to the groin, over and over and over, maybe with a spike added for emphasis, because, man, I felt downright cheated. I sometimes think the fact that you couldn't get a paramour achievement with him was because of a bug. But now I don't even know.

I dread going through my ManShep Tali-romance playthrough.

[Karrie788]

webhead921 wrote...

Ha, I can imagine how much the garrus-mances and tali-mancers would flip out if they made garrus/tali dump shep for eachother.

I think "flip out" would be an understatement.