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[OchreJelly]

I find it very annoying they didn't even explain what was going on with the squadmates you were missing from the start. On top of that Shep shows no real interest in where these people are... and you don't even get as much as an email from them.

I mean I was l literally like, where the hell are Garrus and Tali, BioWare?

First playthrough was without a romance, so I thought less of the lack of info, initially. But my second had one and you aren't told where the person is until you find them, and it's almost like they want you to break up with them. :|

And that seems typical with most characters. I was sort of under the impression most of them would continue as normal, without each of them needing direct reassurance before the track can proceed but it seems to be the opposite actually. And the LIs had some good lines but there was nothing substantially different from normal interaction... you can't even invite them up to your cabin whenever (for what little good that actually did.)

So yeah, it seems like it was a step backwards, not a step upwards in terms of development. They could have done so much better with simple stuff like changes in interactions, body language, etc. But I guess not. \\o/

Modifié par OchreJelly, 15 avril 2012 - 08:07 .

[utaker1988]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Liaramancer complaining about the romances?

Shades of #firstworldproblems. Maybe #liaramancerproblems.

You know what Jackmancers get? three kisses.
Thanemancers? one kiss.
Jacobmancers? freakin' cheated on.

Uh, us Thanemancers got one Paragon Interrupt kiss and one really, really bad make out scene in the hospital waiting room with some god awful porn star moan/groan by FemShep.    One convo and then that is it until he dies.  During which, she does not cry, can't tell him she loves him, stands there like stone and not one person mentions him except troll Leng (and her when you kill Leng), and you get no paramour achievement for it.  So was it really a romance?  I should note that there is no romance specific dialogue changes in either the hospital or the death bed for friend Sheps and romanced Shep.  I think the term that was used when questioned about this crap treatment was, "large writing team and we dropped the ball."  Yeah, you did and it landed on my stomach.

If the above wasn't insult enough EVERY available romanceable character proceeds to hit on Shep after Thane's death.   

[Yearlongjester]

The Angry One wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

Just curious, can FemShep off Jacob?

Watched it on youtube and nope, she sits there and gets dumped by Jacob then gets basically laughed at by Brynn.

But there's always this...

That picture makes me laugh, always

[RShara]

For those who are interested in sending feedback to BW about their handling of LI's in ME3, we're doing a Tribute book that is going to be sent to HQ in a couple weeks. It's in the Characters forum if anyone wants to take a peek

LI Tribute Book

[MyChemicalBromance]

Oh God... those pics and those posts without context...

[OchreJelly]

RShara wrote...

For those who are interested in sending feedback to BW about their handling of LI's in ME3, we're doing a Tribute book that is going to be sent to HQ in a couple weeks. It's in the Characters forum if anyone wants to take a peek

LI Tribute Book

Is complaining about characters that have relatively good treatment (with some flaws that bother me) acceptable feedback? :innocent:

[RShara]

As long as it's good feedback and not just bashing, every LI is being accepted. Tali and Ash, Garrus, Kaidan, Miranda, etc, as well as Thane Jacob, etc. The info is on the first page

[Baihu1983]

Karrie788 wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

I think those who romanced Thane should have got a cure mission but then of course that would mess up the Leng scene[which is lame anyways, 3 people just watching while pointing guns.]

Maybe not a cure, but at least more aknowledgement of the fact that yes, Shepard loved that man and that at least part of her crew knew about it. They put the Traynor's shower scene right after Thane's death for heaven's sake. Talk about tact.

Really?

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Modifié par Baihu1983, 15 avril 2012 - 08:14 .

[TODD9999]

Hmm. I think some of them took a step back (Jacob, big time). But the big problem I had with most of them was that they didn't step forward, they just followed the exact same pattern as the previous ones. So they turned out *okay*, but they could have been great.

As BioWare said, we're at the end of the series, so they could really go hog-wild. Some of these love interests can potentially have had relationships spanning two games (perhaps not always romantically in both of them, but still). They should have been able to start out more, well, relationship-y and maintain that. More conversations, bunking together, altered dialogue and acting, and so forth. I've seen videos of the dialogue between Tali and other party members on the Geth dreadnought, that can get a bit frosty between your LI from ME1 and her. I wouldn't ask for this sort of thing necessarily in all missions (I want relationships, not high school drama), but it serves as an example of how a few altered lines of dialogue based on past actions can have a great emotional effect.

I've gone on a bit of a tangent, but the original point was: making Shepards with an established relationship go through the same "getting to know you/do you really like me" stuff that happened in the previous games is a bit silly in at least some of the cases. I can understand not wanting to trap a player, to give them freedom, but I think it would have been better to start in a relationship and have the ability to end it within the first few conversations, instead of starting everyone off reasonably neutral and then picking things up later. That works for the start of a relationship, not for when you've been committed to someone and just haven't seen them for 6 months or what-have-you.

So, yeah. I was disappointed by the lack of advancement in how relationships were handled, but only mildly. I hoped for improvement, but didn't expect it, if you catch my drift. I'm not necessarily asking for a half-dozen dates or anything (this is a war, after all), but just a few altered lines of dialogue, a few changes in character placement and conversation progression, could have really made the romances come alive in a unique way.

[GuardianAngel470]

Baihu1983 wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

I think those who romanced Thane should have got a cure mission but then of course that would mess up the Leng scene[which is lame anyways, 3 people just watching while pointing guns.]

Maybe not a cure, but at least more aknowledgement of the fact that yes, Shepard loved that man and that at least part of her crew knew about it. They put the Traynor's shower scene right after Thane's death for heaven's sake. Talk about tact.

Really?

Facepalm.gif

To be fair you have to OFFER the shower to Traynor and while the ability to call her up to your cabin DOES become available immediately after the Cerberus Coup, you are under no obligation to make use of it at that time.

So if you both made use of that ability AND offered to let Traynor shower, you really have no one to blame but yourself*.

//*Though true, it is also likely that in your first playthrough you did one of those two options without knowing the consequences

[Ultra Prism]

I am Liara Guy and i was impressed if you romanced her in ME1 and loyal to her .. She says she loves you in ME3 ... I was so touched!!!!

[RShara]

Ultra Prism: Yes, Liara's romance was extremely well fleshed out and fulfilling. Most people who didn't romance Liara would like that same treatment for their LI as well.

[Naoe]

The Angry One wrote...
Watched it on youtube and nope, she sits there and gets dumped by Jacob then gets basically laughed at by Brynn.

Well... Next time I play ME2 Jacob goes into the venting shaft.
I play maleShep, but anyways. Cheaters shouldn't prosper

Modifié par Naoe, 15 avril 2012 - 08:54 .

[tvman099]

The Liara romance was painfully bad in ME3, and what's worse is it's obviously the one that had the most time put into it. A lot of Shepard's interactions with Liara are really stiff and awkward, and the way she tries to friend zone you like three times is super annoying.

Personally I go with Miranda, and though I liked what little was there, I was disappointed that she and all my other ME2 teammates were reduced to cameos randomly popping up over the course of the game in such a regular fashion that it seriously strained credulity. Considering how big a role Cerberus plays in ME3, it made perfect sense for her to come back to the Normandy and join your squad again. She's had personal access to the Illusive Man, knows where his base is (but apparently she needs to put a tracer on Kai Leng), and was once second in command of the whole damn operation. And considering how hard it is to get her killed in ME2, I had figured it was a given that she'd be with me on the Normandy again.

Instead, I got random supergenius lesbian Traynor figuring out exactly what Cerberus was doing all the time, and who also asked to come up to my cabin to play chess and didn't even mean it as a euphemism. Talk about disappointment.

Side note: I would like to know why when the people who matter most to me are flashing before my eyes when I pick the red explosion, I see Liara and not Miranda.

Modifié par tvman099, 15 avril 2012 - 09:02 .

[Deuterium_Dawn]

Naoe wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Watched it on youtube and nope, she sits there and gets dumped by Jacob then gets basically laughed at by Brynn.

Well... Next time I play ME2 Jacob goes into the venting shaft.
I play maleShep, but anyways. Cheaters shouldn't prosper

I would do that but I'm afraid his incompetence in opening the door might get someone else killed. Just don't do his loyalty mission and you should be fine.

[Senario]

Vexille wrote...

I just want to know how Liara is able to break into my cabin repeatedly...

This, I wondered why the heck she gets so much more screentime than my own LI. Even in the ending scene with the flashback...

Also the mind meld, time capsule, ect...Other romances took a step back. 

Liara? No she got the best out of the bunch (in terms of time allotted). Such a writer's pet...I'd be glad if it was all even like it was in ME2.

[Astrogenesis]

bthillman wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

Given that Jack and Miranda are barely in the game I doubt the others are much better. I know FemSheps got screwed with Jacob and Thane, though we obviously saw Thane coming apparently there wasn't much interaction with him in the half of the game leading up to that, and Jacob is apparently an ****.

Thane dies.
Jacob cheats.
Kaidan comes out.

They got shafted.

Garrus > All, anyhow.  Just saying.

I just did a Garrus LI playthrough, I thought his cabin scene was rather lacking.
The "I don't know what I'd do without you" but was nice but where was the space nookie?

[sedrikhcain]

howieloader wrote...

First of all, I'm a Liara guy... There's some things in the Shepard/Liara dialogue that just don't equate...

It feels like theres a HUGE disconnect between Shep and Liara from the very beginning of the game on Mars, even though it hasn't been that long since they saw each other... There's no (or a very negligible) embrace, there's very little to no emotion displayed by the characters which was brutal to me because I was glad to see Liara right away. it's all very "Oh hey, how's it going, good to see you." "Good to see you too, how ya been?"

On the Citadel there's a scene where you basically have to reaffirm (painfully) that your interested in more than friendship which totally demeans what the person playing thinks they've established starting the relationship in 1, not romancing anyone in 2, and continuing the relationship in LotSB... Then you're on the Presidium and she literally says "just friends", wtf is this???

Why is she in a different cabin? That's annoying, she can stay in Shepard's cabin and work in the XO-Office... There's a pretty big deal going on with these Reapers and what not, a lot of people are going to die/have died, we don't know how much time any of us have left and the 1 person that has been promoted more as LI than anyone else sleeps in a different cabin? There was such a demand for her, we got LotSB to continue our relationship and she sleeps in a different cabin? I don't even know how to fully quantify how collosal of a fail that is...

I don't know how the other romances have turned out because I beat the game the Thursday after it came out and am just now a few hours into playing it again (because I was so pissed at the god awful ending), but the poorly written Liara romance arc is taking me out of the story right away...

Yes, you get the singular events like the time capsule, the mindmeld, and the generic [insert character] sexual encounter, but those all feel like very, very isolated events that in no way count as part of a greater whole... Maybe it's just me...

Sorry to break it to you but you actually get a mindmeld and a time capsule scene, whether you romance Liara or not -- although the content may be different, I don't know.

I agree with you about the romances, not the just with Liara but all of 'em. I'm only taking my 3rd Shepard through but so far, all the romances seem very rushed and short on content.

Anyone beg to differ?

[Menethra]

The Angry One wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

Just curious, can FemShep off Jacob?

Watched it on youtube and nope, she sits there and gets dumped by Jacob then gets basically laughed at by Brynn.

But there's always this...

Hahaha very awesome

[sedrikhcain]

Astrogenesis wrote...

bthillman wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

Given that Jack and Miranda are barely in the game I doubt the others are much better. I know FemSheps got screwed with Jacob and Thane, though we obviously saw Thane coming apparently there wasn't much interaction with him in the half of the game leading up to that, and Jacob is apparently an ****.

Thane dies.
Jacob cheats.
Kaidan comes out.

They got shafted.

Garrus > All, anyhow.  Just saying.

I just did a Garrus LI playthrough, I thought his cabin scene was rather lacking.
The "I don't know what I'd do without you" but was nice but where was the space nookie?

I think it's a bit much to say Jacob cheats. They've been apart since the end of 2 and both of them were fully capable of picking up a phone or sending an email, yet they've had  nothing to do with each other.

[RShara]

6 months
Shepard was incarcerated for trying to save the galaxy. She couldn't write or call.
Very short time to hook up and impregnate another girl...

[tvman099]

Astrogenesis wrote...

bthillman wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

Given that Jack and Miranda are barely in the game I doubt the others are much better. I know FemSheps got screwed with Jacob and Thane, though we obviously saw Thane coming apparently there wasn't much interaction with him in the half of the game leading up to that, and Jacob is apparently an ****.

Thane dies.
Jacob cheats.
Kaidan comes out.

They got shafted.

Garrus > All, anyhow.  Just saying.

I just did a Garrus LI playthrough, I thought his cabin scene was rather lacking.
The "I don't know what I'd do without you" but was nice but where was the space nookie?

What's the interest in space nookie in a series where people take showers with clothes on and dry hump on the floor of the engine room? Bioware doesn't have the guts to try to do something like the Witcher 2 did, especially after that ridiculous Fox News scandal.

What's really important in these romances, I think, is the connection between Shepard and his/her LI and how it plays out in their interactions. That's why Liara's romance is so bad to me in ME3. I don't care that they got the most detailed/blurry/awkwardly animated sex scene, what I care about is how formal and distant Liara is with Shepard in most of their conversations, and how she pulls out the "just friends" nonsense multiple times.

[howieloader]

sedrikhcain wrote...

howieloader wrote...

First of all, I'm a Liara guy... There's some things in the Shepard/Liara dialogue that just don't equate...

It feels like theres a HUGE disconnect between Shep and Liara from the very beginning of the game on Mars, even though it hasn't been that long since they saw each other... There's no (or a very negligible) embrace, there's very little to no emotion displayed by the characters which was brutal to me because I was glad to see Liara right away. it's all very "Oh hey, how's it going, good to see you." "Good to see you too, how ya been?"

On the Citadel there's a scene where you basically have to reaffirm (painfully) that your interested in more than friendship which totally demeans what the person playing thinks they've established starting the relationship in 1, not romancing anyone in 2, and continuing the relationship in LotSB... Then you're on the Presidium and she literally says "just friends", wtf is this???

Why is she in a different cabin? That's annoying, she can stay in Shepard's cabin and work in the XO-Office... There's a pretty big deal going on with these Reapers and what not, a lot of people are going to die/have died, we don't know how much time any of us have left and the 1 person that has been promoted more as LI than anyone else sleeps in a different cabin? There was such a demand for her, we got LotSB to continue our relationship and she sleeps in a different cabin? I don't even know how to fully quantify how collosal of a fail that is...

I don't know how the other romances have turned out because I beat the game the Thursday after it came out and am just now a few hours into playing it again (because I was so pissed at the god awful ending), but the poorly written Liara romance arc is taking me out of the story right away...

Yes, you get the singular events like the time capsule, the mindmeld, and the generic [insert character] sexual encounter, but those all feel like very, very isolated events that in no way count as part of a greater whole... Maybe it's just me...

Sorry to break it to you but you actually get a mindmeld and a time capsule scene, whether you romance Liara or not -- although the content may be different, I don't know.

I agree with you about the romances, not the just with Liara but all of 'em. I'm only taking my 3rd Shepard through but so far, all the romances seem very rushed and short on content.

Anyone beg to differ?

That's an excellent point, what you might think of as an event that might be unique to your the circumstances you worked to develop with your character aren't special in any way at all...

And yes, as someone pointed out, Liara does tell Shepard she loves him/her, MY POINT IS that should have been said when they reunited on Mars right from the beginning... That Liara loves Shepard isn't a revelation to anyone, and if your Shepard loves Liara then wtf is with the emotional disconnect???

It sounds like other people definitely got it worse from BioWare than the Liara crowd, but honestly what's worse than loving someone and them referencing your relationship as "friends" TO YOUR FACE... That stings...

[KillerHappyFace]

I liked the romances, though it appears the three I've tried are the three with the fewest problems. Tali, Garrus, and Kaidan are great, although Kaidan can be a little...hard to get. Almost infuriatingly so. I felt those three were generally better than their beginnings. Garrus's especially -- its not awkward and creepy at first.

Tali's romance seems to be the best though, despite the awful picture.
"...but what if you..."
"You worry too much"
"I love you"
"Keelah Se'lai"
Now that's an awesome openly affectionate relationship!

Still, what they did to some of the romances was not cool. Thane's was touching, but too short and mostly accessible to non-mancers. Jack's consisted of just a few different lines. Miranda's only really shines when she dies.

What happened with Jacob was interesting. At least one of the LI's was as much of a player as shep. Still, his ex status w/ shep was not brought up nearly enough.