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[Flidget]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Did anyone else think the MaleShep-Kaidan scene was really well done? Kaidan's face was way more animated than normal, and the whole thing was kind of sweet.

It was but turning him down?  Is really awkward.  I found it worse than turning down Anders because at least Anders is just some dude Hawke just met, not an old friend whose feelings you're trying not to hurt.

I was actually pleasantly surprised by Cortez - badass pilot with a sense of humour and you get lots of scenes.  It was actually better than I was expecting except for the whole thing where if you hook-up with him immediately you're a horrible emotional predator preying on his grief and vulnerability. 

Still, it's pretty bizarre that after being out in the cold so long m/m romances actually end up in a better state than het femShep ones. 

[Vormaerin]

tvman099 wrote...
What's really important in these romances, I think, is the connection between Shepard and his/her LI and how it plays out in their interactions.

Which is why I rather like the Traynor romance, despite the awkwardness of how they handled the shower scene.  They should have done the chess game then the shower as a second visit.   Regardless, I liked the subtle changes to her dialogue and the sort of conversations she has.

You just have to assume a lot of 'off screen conversation' to explain how they got so close, since we didn't have two previous games to do it in. 

[Flidget]

sedrikhcain wrote...

I think it's a bit much to say Jacob cheats. They've been apart since the end of 2 and both of them were fully capable of picking up a phone or sending an email, yet they've had  nothing to do with each other.

They've only been apart for six months, that's . . . really not much.

Especially given he's serious enough with his new girl that they're already having a baby together.  His 'new' girl he knew before he knew Shepard.

When he said the baby wasn't planned I wanted to slap him.  It's the future!  Don't pretend we don't have super-effective birth control in the future!

So . . . yeah.  And yeah, the racial subtext to this all is extremely skeevy.  Aside from Jacob, Jacob's dad and that crazy Biotic cult leader from the Paragon quest in ME1, I can't think of a single dark-skinned black man in Mass Effect.

[tvman099]

Flidget wrote...

So . . . yeah.  And yeah, the racial subtext to this all is extremely skeevy.  Aside from Jacob, Jacob's dad and that crazy Biotic cult leader from the Paragon quest in ME1, I can't think of a single dark-skinned black man in Mass Effect.

Anderson...

[Vormaerin]

That's certainly my first thought. Anderson is pretty damn near as effective as Shepard, too.

[Phobius9]

I thought the romance you got with Ash was extremely well written. I felt like there was a real atmosphere of rekindling a relationship, the conversations felt natural and 'right'. I was just disappointed that there was so little of it.

Unlike other crew members Ash just seems to languish in the Observation lounge and rarely moves. She doesn't even have a obvious 'role' to play on the Normandy. I mean, they could have had her down in the shuttle bay helping out Vega, as that's what she used to do. You could even have it that, if you didn't romance her, she forms a relationship with Vega much like Tali and Garrus or Ken and Gabby. Instead she just feels lonely sat there all by herself.

I was also disappointed that there wasn't more unique dialogue with those you romanced. Simple things like Ash calling you Skipper instead of Commander, or telling you to take care before a particularly dangerous mission would have made your relationship feel unique and genuine. As it stands whatever 'feelings' and 'emotions' that are supposed to exist between you and your LI seem to operate in their own little bubble, independent from the main game. They only really appear at certain set points. That didn't feel particularly natural to me.

[Flidget]

tvman099 wrote...

Flidget wrote...

So . . . yeah.  And yeah, the racial subtext to this all is extremely skeevy.  Aside from Jacob, Jacob's dad and that crazy Biotic cult leader from the Paragon quest in ME1, I can't think of a single dark-skinned black man in Mass Effect.

Anderson...

Hence why I specified dark-skinned.  It took me three games to even realise Anderson was black - my Shep's black with the darkest skin colour avaliable and next to him Anderson looks white.

[Phobius9]

Flidget wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

I think it's a bit much to say Jacob cheats. They've been apart since the end of 2 and both of them were fully capable of picking up a phone or sending an email, yet they've had  nothing to do with each other.

They've only been apart for six months, that's . . . really not much.

I was under the impression that Shepard was dead for a couple of years?

[Jadebaby]

Drxx wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Man, almost everything took a step back. Dialogue(and indirectly romances), exploration, freedom/non-linearity, character writing/motivations, theme(largely in the ending, but elsewhere as well), etc, etc, etc.

Only thing that seemed to take a step forward was gameplay, and only in certain ways(no more vehicle combat or mini-games, the shooting/cover aspects were pretty much perfected but they seem to have jsut given up on the rest).

 
This

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[tvman099]

Flidget wrote...

tvman099 wrote...

Flidget wrote...

So . . . yeah.  And yeah, the racial subtext to this all is extremely skeevy.  Aside from Jacob, Jacob's dad and that crazy Biotic cult leader from the Paragon quest in ME1, I can't think of a single dark-skinned black man in Mass Effect.

Anderson...

Hence why I specified dark-skinned.  It took me three games to even realise Anderson was black - my Shep's black with the darkest skin colour avaliable and next to him Anderson looks white.

I think you ought to check your monitor's color settings...dude's very clearly black. At the very least as much as Jacob's dad and Father Kyle. Not so much Jacob though. Jacob is really really dark.

Ultimately I don't see why it matters though. I'm a light skinned white person with white friends that have darker skin than I do, but we're both white.

Modifié par tvman099, 15 avril 2012 - 10:00 .

[Jadebaby]

Phobius9 wrote...

I was under the impression that Shepard was dead for a couple of years?

That was between 1&2, before she even meets Jacob.

[Vormaerin]

Flidget wrote...

Hence why I specified dark-skinned.  It took me three games to even realise Anderson was black - my Shep's black with the darkest skin colour avaliable and next to him Anderson looks white.

Uh, so?  I have a micronesian friend who makes some of my black friends look white.  That doesn't make them caucasians, though.

And it doesn't change the fact that the second most badass character in the universe is black.

Modifié par Vormaerin, 15 avril 2012 - 09:58 .

[nomoredruggs]

The Angry One wrote...

Garrus may be quality, but he's also not romancable starting from ME3.
So if you kill Kaidan and don't romance Garrus in ME2 it's entirely possible for FemSheps to have NO hetero options at all in ME3.

Granted, I normally wouldn't sympathise with anyone making such decisions in the first place, but still. Damn.

This. It's a little sad. 

Anyway, I think the Kaidan romance (with Femshep) is very well done, especially if you romanced him since ME1. It feels very natural, and my god, Hale and Sbarge have done an excellent job bringing emotions to those scenes.

It's a shame that you can't have him in your squad for almost half the game though, and also the romance would benefit from a couple more dialogues in the Normandy, I think.

But I can't complain, it's a very romantic romance :wub:

Modifié par nomoredruggs, 15 avril 2012 - 09:59 .

[nitefyre410]

Did Bioware ever  know  how to right a romance from the start?   How can something take a step back when it never took a step foward.

[revo76]

they needed more time for Diana Allers, some Star-kid.

Romance? What Romance ?

We dont have one ****ing line of dialogue with Harbinger damn it, do you think i care romance

Needless to say your ME2 LI are gone in ME3. i think they put romance option for 'sex sales' theory, nothing more.

Also you got more lines with ME1 romances, so this also force player to play ME1 - ME2 serie again, a good sale tactic.

[Phaedros]

The Angry One wrote.
..
.. they decided that the intelligent thing to do was crash it into the side of a barn. And then set the barn on fire. And then sow the land under the resulting wreckage with salt. And then urinate on it.

Reminds me of something else..

.. oh yes!

The Ending...

[nomoredruggs]

Phobius9 wrote...

I was also disappointed that there wasn't more unique dialogue with those you romanced. Simple things like Ash calling you Skipper instead of Commander, or telling you to take care before a particularly dangerous mission would have made your relationship feel unique and genuine. As it stands whatever 'feelings' and 'emotions' that are supposed to exist between you and your LI seem to operate in their own little bubble, independent from the main game. They only really appear at certain set points. That didn't feel particularly natural to me.

Ah very good point.

[Jadebaby]

nomoredruggs wrote...
This. It's a little sad. 

Anyway, I think the Kaidan romance (with Femshep) is very well done, especially if you romanced him since ME1. It feels very natural, and my god, Hale and Sbarge have done an excellent job bringing emotions to those scenes.

It's a shame that you can't have him in your squad for almost half the game though, and also the romance would benefit from a couple more dialogues in the Normandy, I think.

But I can't complain, it's a very romantic romance :wub:

For my first plathrough I flipped a coin and Liara won. I really want to do my Kaidan one now but then I think about how it will end and am like "well whats the point?" and it is < this that is the saddest.

[The Angry One]

revo76 wrote...

they needed more time for Diana Allers, some Star-kid.
 

Don't forget Blasto. Gee I'm sure glad resources were distributed so well.

Yeah yeah some people love Blasto, but come on. He's a meme. It would be like Bethesda devoting 20 minutes of dialogue to arrow in the knee jokes.

[nitefyre410]

Well TBH - I knew Thane romance was going end in with him dying that whole deal about time spent and not the amount of time. As far Jacob - well sometimes circumstance get in the way... I.E a military trail and working for a paramilitary fringe group.

You think some of the ME romances had it bad... don't go by the codename Lock-on Stratus... either YOU end up dead or you lover ends mind controlled, and just when she is breaking free - mind controlled again and then dead. Either way romance for you is not written in the stars.

[The Angry One]

Yeah I always thought Thane was doomed and basically BioWare was trolling fans into thinking otherwise.
But there was no excuse for the outright laziness of the romance in ME3. There are a ton of things they could've done with his death scene alone and they just did nothing.

[cogsandcurls]

Romances really took a step back - or rather, what little I've seen of the romances took a major step back. OP mentions not having Shep embrace Liara or anything when they first meet up, and I've noticed that too - discernable lack of physical contact. I watched my Shep stand there like a lemon while her LI died, pretty much exactly like the vanilla version I might add. The man you love is dying, why aren't you doing anything? Hold his hand! Kiss his forehead after he's gone! Anything!

As others have said as well, boarding the Normandy after this scene also seems to be the trigger for a whole ton of cabin scenes - James (fine, since he's talking work), Samantha AND Diana. This isn't even unfortunate placement for Thanemancers, it's also really horrible placement for anybody romancing Ash/Kaiden who failed the standoff and lost them, too.

Don't even get me started on what happened with Jacob.

[kegNeggs]

I agree with you OP, though it really saddens me!
I've stated this before, this to me seems to be because they focused on making Mass Effect 3 a standalone game, completely knocking over the loyals at times like this.
I see why they did this but like it none. really a big bummer.
but so much wasted potential on the romances (+many more things ofc)

Modifié par kegNeggs, 15 avril 2012 - 10:19 .

[nomoredruggs]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

For my first plathrough I flipped a coin and Liara won. I really want to do my Kaidan one now but then I think about how it will end and am like "well whats the point?" and it is < this that is the saddest.

 I know...seeing them interact with each other and some of the things they say....and knowing how it ends....argh!

[Seboist]

No, the romances didn't take a step back because they never had their foot forward to begin with.