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[nitefyre410]

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah I always thought Thane was doomed and basically BioWare was trolling fans into thinking otherwise.
But there was no excuse for the outright laziness of the romance in ME3. There are a ton of things they could've done with his death scene alone and they just did nothing.

 

Well that I can agree with his death scene for  romance was... lack. No a tear or a taking of  his hand.. nothing..

Like series - Bioware there more  emotions then just  , Happy or mad.    Bioware seems to confuse stoic with one dimensional and shepard came off as very one dimensional there  - not  Hale throwing the shakey voice could save it.

[Reorte]

The entire romance arc completely fails to pay off no matter who you romance. It, like every other decision, doesn't go anywhere and all you can imply is that you'll plunge your favourite character into grief at the end of the game.

[CerealWar]

Baihu1983 wrote...

I think those who romanced Thane should have got a cure mission but then of course that would mess up the Leng scene[which is lame anyways, 3 people just watching while pointing guns.]

I think the most awkward scenes took place during the Cerberus attack. Like the end of the mission, when the Asari councilor tries to stop Udina from opening the door, and he pushes her away and points a pistol at her. There aren't any sound effects or VO for almost 2 seconds, just music and an uncomfortable pause.

Shepard and Co. just standing there gawking while Thane fights for his life was just terrible. So much went wrong with that level. Introducing Leng as Shepard's rival/ foil. Aggh!

[The Angry One]

CerealWar wrote...

Shepard and Co. just standing there gawking while Thane fights for his life was just terrible. So much went wrong with that level. Introducing Leng as Shepard's rival/ foil. Aggh!

Then the following scene where Kai Leng literally activates a character shield. I mean, really? You suck Leng!

[Zall]

I felt like the Jack romance was perfect, despite the little screntime Jack got. Quality over quantity, she made me squeal like a little girl each time.

Overall, the romances were pretty good. I'd even dare to say, that getting dumped by Jacob is realistic and not worth all the outrage. If Jack had dumped Shepard and would get pregnant with some space pirate she was sincerely in love with - so what? As long as Jack was happy, I wouldn't mind.

/unpopular opinion

[The Angry One]

Zall wrote...

I felt like the Jack romance was perfect, despite the little screntime Jack got. Quality over quantity, she made me squeal like a little girl each time.

Overall, the romances were pretty good. I'd even dare to say, that getting dumped by Jacob is realistic and not worth all the outrage. If Jack had dumped Shepard and would get pregnant with some space pirate she was sincerely in love with - so what? As long as Jack was happy, I wouldn't mind.

/unpopular opinion

Well if you look at the non Garrus/Tali ME2 romances for ManShep and FemShep, it just looks like FemShep is being trolled.

Jack, though historically promiscuous and devil may care, stays loyal.
Jacob cheats on Shep.

Miranda will be killed by Kai Leng, but can be saved.
Thane always gets killed by Kai Leng.

[nitefyre410]

CerealWar wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

I think those who romanced Thane should have got a cure mission but then of course that would mess up the Leng scene[which is lame anyways, 3 people just watching while pointing guns.]

I think the most awkward scenes took place during the Cerberus attack. Like the end of the mission, when the Asari councilor tries to stop Udina from opening the door, and he pushes her away and points a pistol at her. There aren't any sound effects or VO for almost 2 seconds, just music and an uncomfortable pause.

Shepard and Co. just standing there gawking while Thane fights for his life was just terrible. So much went wrong with that level. Introducing Leng as Shepard's rival/ foil. Aggh!

 

Like i have been saying  Bioware has very little skill in handing some things that are complex like Thane. Plot complexity they can do.  Character complexity- eh not so much.    The reason Shepard did not jump in was because it was her job to protect counciler... last thing they needed was a   reinforcements showing up and shooting the him in the back.  Next was it was meant the Thane's fight  - his last  fight actuually - its a honor thing. Problem... Bioware has  very little graps on how to handel something like that... you can't just build it up 5 lines of dialogue - it takes time. So the viewer can understand whats going on. 

Two things would have made the scene better ..

"Protect the counciler, I'll deal with  Assassin"   Shepard  and gang grab the counciler and get him someplace safe and come back just in time to see Thane get stab and  Kei Leng making a run for it.

problem solved.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 15 avril 2012 - 10:46 .

[HellbirdIV]

I don't get why people are so upset about Jacob. Shepard was gone for SIX MONTHS in an Alliance prison, after they had what, a 2 week relationship that lead directly into HOLY ****, COLLECTORS ARE NEARLY KILLING ALL OF US KEEP RUNNING AND SHOOTING HOLY SHIIIIIT OH **** A GIANT TERMINATOR KILL IT WITH FIIIIIREEEE!!!!

I just don't understand why people expect Jacob to just sit on his ass and be "loyal" to Shepard for half a year - hell, Jacob probably didn't even know Shepard got off Earth, or had any way of knowing that Shepard would ever get out of military detention.

It's called "moving on", not "cheating", when you don't know wether or not your partner is even still alive after 6 months.

[Zall]

The Angry One wrote...
Thane always gets killed by Kai Leng.

What other ending could have worked out better? Either he gets stuck at hospital, accidentally chokes on a lollipop and dies or he goes out in a blaze of glory. Anything else would most likely feel retconned (not that it ever bothered Bioware, but hey, they at least tried to keep it realistic).

[Grimwick]

howieloader wrote...

That's an excellent point, what you might think of as an event that might be unique to your the circumstances you worked to develop with your character aren't special in any way at all...

And yes, as someone pointed out, Liara does tell Shepard she loves him/her, MY POINT IS that should have been said when they reunited on Mars right from the beginning... That Liara loves Shepard isn't a revelation to anyone, and if your Shepard loves Liara then wtf is with the emotional disconnect???

It sounds like other people definitely got it worse from BioWare than the Liara crowd, but honestly what's worse than loving someone and them referencing your relationship as "friends" TO YOUR FACE... That stings...

This is so true. I mean, Liara may have gotten the 'best treatment' but a lot of her scenes were generic to any character, whether or not you romanced her.
Garrus got the largest number of romance specific dialogues iirc, though they are mostly 1 or 2 lines extra with each normal dialogue and he calls you his 'girlfriend' and doesn't try to distance you!

I mean, ME2 romances did get it worst but getting called a 'friend' by Liara after the last 2 games showing your affection and especially after LotSB really annoyed me. At least she redeemed herself by actually saying 'I love you' at the end.

Would like to see more content to fix this! Though ME2 romancers... you got stuffed I have to say.

[Wulfram]

I can only comment on the two I've seen

Liara: Overall it's good. I liked the interaction on Mars, and initially on the Normandy. But then there's a chunk in the middle where the romance seems to be forgotten and you're back to being just friends. Then the parts towards the end are good.

I think it suffers a bit from them not wanting to let you lock in on one romance too early, and to stick to the formula of sex before suicide mission.

Garrus: Was pretty great all the way through, I thought. The lock in scene works better because it comes off as more about recognising that you've gone a long way from the friends with benefits sort of relationship it started out as back in ME2.

CerealWar wrote...

Shepard and Co. just standing there gawking while Thane fights for his life was just terrible. So much went wrong with that level. Introducing Leng as Shepard's rival/ foil. Aggh!

I took it that they couldn't safely get a shot in with all the cool martial arts stuff going on, so it didn't bother me too much.

[nitefyre410]

HellbirdIV wrote...

I don't get why people are so upset about Jacob. Shepard was gone for SIX MONTHS in an Alliance prison, after they had what, a 2 week relationship that lead directly into HOLY ****, COLLECTORS ARE NEARLY KILLING ALL OF US KEEP RUNNING AND SHOOTING HOLY SHIIIIIT OH **** A GIANT TERMINATOR KILL IT WITH FIIIIIREEEE!!!!

I just don't understand why people expect Jacob to just sit on his ass and be "loyal" to Shepard for half a year - hell, Jacob probably didn't even know Shepard got off Earth, or had any way of knowing that Shepard would ever get out of military detention.

It's called "moving on", not "cheating", when you don't know wether or not your partner is even still alive after 6 months.

 

Don't you bring your real world practicality into a romantics dream of a being together forever and love at first sight  

I agree with about Jacob  and while its not cheating - it still sucks that it went down  that way.

[HellbirdIV]

nitefyre410 wrote...

I agree with about Jacob  and while its not cheating - it still sucks that it went down  that way.

Psh, who cares. I liked Thane more than Jacob, and I actually thought Thane was really f****ing creepy what with being a hissy-voiced neck-snapping snake-lizard-person, so yeah, didn't care for Jacob.

I don't usually romance male characters with FemShep, but when I do, I romance Garrus.

Dat voice. <3

I haven't played through ME3 yet with my Adept (who romanced Garrus) so I can't really comment on wether the romance with him took a step back, but I did find the Liara one okay, if a little stale at points. Maybe it's just how I act with my girlfriend, but I expected Liara and Shepard to be on top of eachother (Not literally, you pervs!) more often over the course of such a stressful few months.

[RShara]

HellbirdIV wrote...

I don't get why people are so upset about Jacob. Shepard was gone for SIX MONTHS in an Alliance prison, after they had what, a 2 week relationship that lead directly into HOLY ****, COLLECTORS ARE NEARLY KILLING ALL OF US KEEP RUNNING AND SHOOTING HOLY SHIIIIIT OH **** A GIANT TERMINATOR KILL IT WITH FIIIIIREEEE!!!!

I just don't understand why people expect Jacob to just sit on his ass and be "loyal" to Shepard for half a year - hell, Jacob probably didn't even know Shepard got off Earth, or had any way of knowing that Shepard would ever get out of military detention.

It's called "moving on", not "cheating", when you don't know wether or not your partner is even still alive after 6 months.

I'm pretty sure the story of ME2 takes place over about 9 months, and Jacob and Miranda are picked up first.
He also tells Shepard, "I love you."

Apparently love only lasts while your gf isn't in prison for saving the galaxy

Modifié par RShara, 15 avril 2012 - 10:57 .

[RShara]

[quote]Wulfram wrote....
[quote]CerealWar wrote...

Shepard and Co. just standing there gawking while Thane fights for his life was just terrible. So much went wrong with that level. Introducing Leng as Shepard's rival/ foil. Aggh!

[/quote]

I took it that they couldn't safely get a shot in with all the cool martial arts stuff going on, so it didn't bother me too much.[/quote]
[/quote]
Sorry, there were TONS of places where they could have gotten shots in.  Not to mention the martial arts were kinda sad.
I mean...who charges a sword?  When they're holding a gun?

Picture analysis of KL vs Thane

Modifié par RShara, 15 avril 2012 - 11:00 .

[FrozenDreamfall]

No,it's very true,I felt the exact same way.They didn't dumb the romances they practically weren't there,and you think Liara got it bad? You're lucky you didn't romance anyone in the 2nd game then...totally wasted potential,wasted and rushed on so many levels.Also ya,Liara's confusing,now she's afraid I'd change my mind about being with her,now she calls me a friend,the hell Bioware? I already had to get used to her being colder and more renegade in the 2nd game but the 3rd was ridiculous.Except for the last romance scene and time capsule thing everything else "romantic" with her is bullcrap.Such a shame for such a demanded and loved character.

[mrbthq]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Man, almost everything took a step back. Dialogue(and indirectly romances), exploration, freedom/non-linearity, character writing/motivations, theme(largely in the ending, but elsewhere as well), etc, etc, etc.

Only thing that seemed to take a step forward was gameplay, and only in certain ways(no more vehicle combat or mini-games, the shooting/cover aspects were pretty much perfected but they seem to have jsut given up on the rest).

This.

[Vigil_N7]

You romanced Liara, you have no right to complain

She's so shoved down our throats that I'm sure she'd still be up for a threesome with Ash if Shepard asked her too

[l7986]

I hate the whole only being able to talk to people at certain points. I mean i gave up trying to interact with any of the crew when after the 4th mission in a row of running around trying to talk to people and they are all like hurr hurr and with how useless ashley is just sitting on the lounge all the dam time never saying anything it makes me want to move her bed into the airlock while she is sleeping close the door and vent the airlock.

Modifié par l7986, 15 avril 2012 - 11:09 .

[Lasien]

RShara wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

I don't get why people are so upset about Jacob. Shepard was gone for SIX MONTHS in an Alliance prison, after they had what, a 2 week relationship that lead directly into HOLY ****, COLLECTORS ARE NEARLY KILLING ALL OF US KEEP RUNNING AND SHOOTING HOLY SHIIIIIT OH **** A GIANT TERMINATOR KILL IT WITH FIIIIIREEEE!!!!

I just don't understand why people expect Jacob to just sit on his ass and be "loyal" to Shepard for half a year - hell, Jacob probably didn't even know Shepard got off Earth, or had any way of knowing that Shepard would ever get out of military detention.

It's called "moving on", not "cheating", when you don't know wether or not your partner is even still alive after 6 months.

I'm pretty sure the story of ME2 takes place over about 9 months, and Jacob and Miranda are picked up first.
He also tells Shepard, "I love you."

Apparently love only lasts while your gf isn't in prison for saving the galaxy

I think the problem with that scene was the fact that there is not much mention of the fact that he "moved on". He basically just says "I'm with her now", and Shep doesn't have a "YOU Bastard!" line, and can't tell brynne off.

[nitefyre410]

HellbirdIV wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

I agree with about Jacob  and while its not cheating - it still sucks that it went down  that way.

Psh, who cares. I liked Thane more than Jacob, and I actually thought Thane was really f****ing creepy what with being a hissy-voiced neck-snapping snake-lizard-person, so yeah, didn't care for Jacob.

I don't usually romance male characters with FemShep, but when I do, I romance Garrus.

Dat voice. <3

I haven't played through ME3 yet with my Adept (who romanced Garrus) so I can't really comment on wether the romance with him took a step back, but I did find the Liara one okay, if a little stale at points. Maybe it's just how I act with my girlfriend, but I expected Liara and Shepard to be on top of eachother (Not literally, you pervs!) more often over the course of such a stressful few months.

  



He is  Garrus Vakarian - the most interesting man in galaxy none can resist him.  He speaks  Thesian in English.    None can resist .

[Raizo]

Yes. There's alot more that I want to say about this issue but I knew this was going to happen when I found out what ME3's final squad was going to be like. Bioware were never going to get the Character fan service/development/romances right for ME3 at least not for everyone.

[nitefyre410]

Raizo wrote...

Yes. There's alot more that I want to say about this issue but I knew this was going to happen when I found out what ME3's final squad was going to be like. Bioware were never going to get the Character fan service/development/romances right for ME3 at least not for everyone.

 

Character  Development ... is the key issue her., its something that I have notice Bioware does not  know how to do very well.

[rivqa]

mrbthq wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Man, almost everything took a step back. Dialogue(and indirectly romances), exploration, freedom/non-linearity, character writing/motivations, theme(largely in the ending, but elsewhere as well), etc, etc, etc.

Only thing that seemed to take a step forward was gameplay, and only in certain ways(no more vehicle combat or mini-games, the shooting/cover aspects were pretty much perfected but they seem to have jsut given up on the rest).

This.

So very true, although I'll give them Rannoch and Tuchanka.

[Wulfram]

rivqa wrote...

So very true, although I'll give them Rannoch and Tuchanka.

Which is a pretty hefty chunk of the game, no?