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[lil_lene]

Vexille wrote...

did anyone else snicker just a bit when they realized bioware had made the one black squadmate the no good cheater who went and knocked up another woman?

oh bioware... lol

LMAO I thought I was the only one who thought this.. I was like man I'm racist. But that was my first thought. I'm sure they didn't intend that though..

[Aaleel]

The main problem I had with the romances was they seemed to start over from the beginning. If you did the LOTSB DLC or romanced someone in ME2 they should have picked back up.

But one second you would be saying you're fighting for the things you love and putting you hand or Liara's cheek, and the next you're asking each other, where are we, do we still want to do this relationship thing. If you had an established romance it should have been I missed you and picked right up. Too much feeling out going on, that stuff should have only been for new romances.

[Scowlyface]

HellbirdIV wrote...

I don't get why people are so upset about Jacob. Shepard was gone for SIX MONTHS in an Alliance prison, after they had what, a 2 week relationship that lead directly into HOLY ****, COLLECTORS ARE NEARLY KILLING ALL OF US KEEP RUNNING AND SHOOTING HOLY SHIIIIIT OH **** A GIANT TERMINATOR KILL IT WITH FIIIIIREEEE!!!!

I just don't understand why people expect Jacob to just sit on his ass and be "loyal" to Shepard for half a year - hell, Jacob probably didn't even know Shepard got off Earth, or had any way of knowing that Shepard would ever get out of military detention.

It's called "moving on", not "cheating", when you don't know wether or not your partner is even still alive after 6 months.

exactly. for me it felt like jacob was the "fling" option for hetero femshep player in mass effect 2. their interactions from intial flirting to romance scene seem to be based almost entirely  on physical attraction and infatuation when compared to garrus and thane.

l liken it to how you can bang jack but then she breaks its off with you. I know you can have a meaningful relationship with her, but that probably has more to do with targeting the male demographic. and frankly if bioware did the hit and quit it option with jacob someone somewhere  would start calling femshep a skank.
 

[Aaleel]

Vexille wrote...

did anyone else snicker just a bit when they realized bioware had made the one black squadmate the no good cheater who went and knocked up another woman?

oh bioware... lol

I thought the whole absentee father scenario in ME2 was worse personally.

[kalasaurus]

Scowlyface wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

I don't get why people are so upset about Jacob. Shepard was gone for SIX MONTHS in an Alliance prison, after they had what, a 2 week relationship that lead directly into HOLY ****, COLLECTORS ARE NEARLY KILLING ALL OF US KEEP RUNNING AND SHOOTING HOLY SHIIIIIT OH **** A GIANT TERMINATOR KILL IT WITH FIIIIIREEEE!!!!

I just don't understand why people expect Jacob to just sit on his ass and be "loyal" to Shepard for half a year - hell, Jacob probably didn't even know Shepard got off Earth, or had any way of knowing that Shepard would ever get out of military detention.

It's called "moving on", not "cheating", when you don't know wether or not your partner is even still alive after 6 months.

exactly. for me it felt like jacob was the "fling" option for hetero femshep player in mass effect 2. their interactions from intial flirting to romance scene seem to be based almost entirely  on physical attraction and infatuation when compared to garrus and thane.

l liken it to how you can bang jack but then she breaks its off with you. I know you can have a meaningful relationship with her, but that probably has more to do with targeting the male demographic. and frankly if bioware did the hit and quit it option with jacob someone somewhere  would start calling femshep a skank.
 

I never romanced Jacob, but he's the only romance who completely breaks it off with Shepard.  He's the only romance option who doesn't wait.  The VS and Liara waited 2 years while Shepard was presumably dead.  Garrus, Thane, Jack, Miranda, and Tali don't start a relationship with someone else and start a family in the 6 months while Shepard's on Earth.

It just seemed like because Jacob was the least popular romance option in Mass Effect, they put the least amount of work into it.  Femsheps who romanced him don't even get to react differently when he reveals that he knocked Brynn up.  The dialogue is identical to the nonromance Shepards.  I like the idea of making it realistic, but why not do it for other romances other than Jacob?  Jack only tells you to ****** off if you do the hit and quit it romance, but not if you wait.

[kalasaurus]

Aaleel wrote...

The main problem I had with the romances was they seemed to start over from the beginning. If you did the LOTSB DLC or romanced someone in ME2 they should have picked back up.

But one second you would be saying you're fighting for the things you love and putting you hand or Liara's cheek, and the next you're asking each other, where are we, do we still want to do this relationship thing. If you had an established romance it should have been I missed you and picked right up. Too much feeling out going on, that stuff should have only been for new romances.

They wanted to leave the door open for people just starting in ME3 so they could do a relationship with the VS or Liara, but it definitely seemed like they did so at the expense of people who romanced them in the past.  If you had a thing in ME1 and you both stayed loyal during all of those years, you're hardly "just friends" at this point.  Shepard was never meant to have a stable relationship or settle down, I suppose.

[GreenSoda]

GlassElephant wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

The main problem I had with the romances was they seemed to start over from the beginning. If you did the LOTSB DLC or romanced someone in ME2 they should have picked back up.

But one second you would be saying you're fighting for the things you love and putting you hand or Liara's cheek, and the next you're asking each other, where are we, do we still want to do this relationship thing. If you had an established romance it should have been I missed you and picked right up. Too much feeling out going on, that stuff should have only been for new romances.

They wanted to leave the door open for people just starting in ME3 so they could do a relationship with the VS or Liara, but it definitely seemed like they did so at the expense of people who romanced them in the past.  If you had a thing in ME1 and you both stayed loyal during all of those years, you're hardly "just friends" at this point.  Shepard was never meant to have a stable relationship or settle down, I suppose.

Yeah. It's pretty much a given that BW simply designed ME3 Liara (and most of the other LIs) after a "way of the least resistance" philosophy.

Imo BW simply is scared of creating game content that many people might never expierence. They really should loose that stance. If your choices have zero impact why even bother making them at all ? They might just as well develop linear point and click adventures.

[HellbirdIV]

Sublyminal wrote...

Liaramancers complaining, what else is new? You guys have it GREAT compared to us Talimancers. Just look at the love scene you get. All we get is a ****ing fade to black, first the shopped pic and then a fade to black, gimme a break.

I made Tali walk off a cliff.



The rest of the quarians were just such jerks!

[Aaleel]

GlassElephant wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

The main problem I had with the romances was they seemed to start over from the beginning. If you did the LOTSB DLC or romanced someone in ME2 they should have picked back up.

But one second you would be saying you're fighting for the things you love and putting you hand or Liara's cheek, and the next you're asking each other, where are we, do we still want to do this relationship thing. If you had an established romance it should have been I missed you and picked right up. Too much feeling out going on, that stuff should have only been for new romances.

They wanted to leave the door open for people just starting in ME3 so they could do a relationship with the VS or Liara, but it definitely seemed like they did so at the expense of people who romanced them in the past.  If you had a thing in ME1 and you both stayed loyal during all of those years, you're hardly "just friends" at this point.  Shepard was never meant to have a stable relationship or settle down, I suppose.

They can do that, all they had to do was have different dialogue.  Players of previous games should have gotten far more focus. 

[GreenSoda]

Aaleel wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

They wanted to leave the door open for people just starting in ME3 so they could do a relationship with the VS or Liara, but it definitely seemed like they did so at the expense of people who romanced them in the past.  If you had a thing in ME1 and you both stayed loyal during all of those years, you're hardly "just friends" at this point.  Shepard was never meant to have a stable relationship or settle down, I suppose.

They can do that, all they had to do was have different dialogue.  Players of previous games should have gotten far more focus. 

They did. Kinda:

Isn't Liara start over (LOTSB DLC) an import bug? I heard people fix it using Gibbed Editor.

http://social.biowar...ndex/10869021/1

I still think they could have done more...but I think that with pretty much anything concerning ME3.

[Jonathan Shepard]

GlassElephant wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

The main problem I had with the romances was they seemed to start over from the beginning. If you did the LOTSB DLC or romanced someone in ME2 they should have picked back up.

But one second you would be saying you're fighting for the things you love and putting you hand or Liara's cheek, and the next you're asking each other, where are we, do we still want to do this relationship thing. If you had an established romance it should have been I missed you and picked right up. Too much feeling out going on, that stuff should have only been for new romances.

They wanted to leave the door open for people just starting in ME3 so they could do a relationship with the VS or Liara, but it definitely seemed like they did so at the expense of people who romanced them in the past.  If you had a thing in ME1 and you both stayed loyal during all of those years, you're hardly "just friends" at this point.  Shepard was never meant to have a stable relationship or settle down, I suppose.

The other problem is, those new players are locked out of the Garrus/Jack/Mirranda romances. Doesn't quite seem like a step forwards.

[Aaleel]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

The main problem I had with the romances was they seemed to start over from the beginning. If you did the LOTSB DLC or romanced someone in ME2 they should have picked back up.

But one second you would be saying you're fighting for the things you love and putting you hand or Liara's cheek, and the next you're asking each other, where are we, do we still want to do this relationship thing. If you had an established romance it should have been I missed you and picked right up. Too much feeling out going on, that stuff should have only been for new romances.

Isn't Liara start over (LOTSB DLC) an import bug? I heard people fix it using Gibbed Editor.

http://social.biowar...ndex/10869021/1 

It wasn't really starting over though.  You have the scene on Mars where you put your hand on her cheek, and say you worry about the things you love.  Then next thing you know it's a what about us question next time.  Then you have scene where she's talking about how she may see the whole cycle play out because she's young, and you say oh, only 109 huh.  Then she comes and sits in your lap and gives you a kiss.  Then you're on the Presidium and you get the whole, do you still want this relationship.  It just made no sense.

[Lawrence0294]

Hey guys, just wanted to drop by to remind you that we are doing a sort of LI tribute book to give to bioware to show just how important those characters are. Bioware has already hinted the interest of making a romance dlc, all we need to do is to show interest and the more we are the better chances we have to be herd and have what we want: More romance content

http://social.biowar...ndex/11315889/1

[anonymous1193]

take what you can get. At least you got a romance scene.
I got a cheap fade to black scene, with cheap writing and laughable dialogue.

[sedrikhcain]

Aaleel wrote...

Vexille wrote...

did anyone else snicker just a bit when they realized bioware had made the one black squadmate the no good cheater who went and knocked up another woman?

oh bioware... lol

I thought the whole absentee father scenario in ME2 was worse personally.

Ah, don't get me started! Every single detail that is in any way related to femshep is pored over relentlessly for the faintest sign of misogyny and sexism, while nearly everyone just pretends there is nothing to see here in relation to the stereotypically racist crap they dump on Jacob and the whole Jacob romance. It would make me sick to my stomach if I hadn't decided long ago to ignore it the best I can. Otherwise, I don't think I could play this game anymore.

[sedrikhcain]

Aaleel wrote...

Vexille wrote...

did anyone else snicker just a bit when they realized bioware had made the one black squadmate the no good cheater who went and knocked up another woman?

oh bioware... lol

I thought the whole absentee father scenario in ME2 was worse personally.

Honestly, the whole Jacob arc is a collection of negative African-American storylines. I suppose I should just be happy he speaks English well and doesn't wear do-rag armor on missions.

[MisterJB]

Liaramancers are complaining about lack of romance content?
Honestly?

[Melra]

Liaramancers get so much romance content, that it purposely gets forced down the throats of those who don't even frakking romance her. xD

[sedrikhcain]

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[quote]RShara wrote...

[quote]Wulfram wrote....
[quote]CerealWar wrote...

Shepard and Co. just standing there gawking while Thane fights for his life was just terrible. So much went wrong with that level. Introducing Leng as Shepard's rival/ foil. Aggh!

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Sorry, there were TONS of places where they could have gotten shots in.  Not to mention the martial arts were kinda sad.
I mean...who charges a sword?  When they're holding a gun?

Picture analysis of KL vs Thane
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I looked at your "analysis" and you've got a real problem... You can't appreciate art...
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My biggest problem with that fight was that master assassin Thane had KL dead to rights at point-blank range and hesitated so badly that he never even got a shot off before KL disarmed him. Someone will immediately argue that Thane was sick and it slowed him down but a) by the time KL turned to look, Thane's gun was almost touching him. Someone as skilled as Thane would've executed KL way before then. Thane was well enough after KL disarmed him to spar with the guy and knock him to the ground with a quick, precise combo. So if his illness slowed him down at first, it certainly didn't just a few seconds later.

[bpzrn]

"ou get the singular events like the time capsule, the mindmeld, and the
generic [insert character] sexual encounter, but those all feel like
very, very isolated events that in no way count as part of a greater
whole"



You sied it and I agree, I romanced Tali and alos felt it was weak an ddissconnected most of the time, maybe rushed and not really a big deal to BW anymore its a shame.

[sedrikhcain]

Flidget wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

I think it's a bit much to say Jacob cheats. They've been apart since the end of 2 and both of them were fully capable of picking up a phone or sending an email, yet they've had  nothing to do with each other.

They've only been apart for six months, that's . . . really not much.

Especially given he's serious enough with his new girl that they're already having a baby together.  His 'new' girl he knew before he knew Shepard.

When he said the baby wasn't planned I wanted to slap him.  It's the future!  Don't pretend we don't have super-effective birth control in the future!

So . . . yeah.  And yeah, the racial subtext to this all is extremely skeevy.  Aside from Jacob, Jacob's dad and that crazy Biotic cult leader from the Paragon quest in ME1, I can't think of a single dark-skinned black man in Mass Effect.

As has been noted, they were only together for a couple of weeks. That romance was a fling if I've ever seen one. Agree about the racial subtext, though.

[sedrikhcain]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

Given that Jack and Miranda are barely in the game I doubt the others are much better. I know FemSheps got screwed with Jacob and Thane, though we obviously saw Thane coming apparently there wasn't much interaction with him in the half of the game leading up to that, and Jacob is apparently an ****.

Thane dies.
Jacob cheats.
Kaidan comes out.

They got shafted.

Not fair to throw the Kaidan comes out thing in there. If you romanced him in 1, he's still there for you now, even if you bonked someone else in 2. One of my femsheps did the Kaidan romance in 1 and 3. It's lame but it's in there.

Most common dialogue line I heard in the Kaidan romance? "I'll catch ya later Shepard".

[sedrikhcain]

RShara wrote...

6 months
Shepard was incarcerated for trying to save the galaxy. She couldn't write or call.
Very short time to hook up and impregnate another girl...

You do realize they were together for all of about two weeks while trying to stop the Collectors, right? And how do you know Shepard couldn't write or call?

I just think this Cheater thing is a little silly. They're hookup was a total fling and people are acting like they're married and he had an affair.

[Grimwick]

MisterJB wrote...

Liaramancers are complaining about lack of romance content?
Honestly?

Yeah Liara doesn't actually have that much... 
Simply because you got less doesn't mean we can't complain too!