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[Nightwriter]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Miranda. 

You have sex in a dirty, abandoned Citadel apartment.

Still better than what people who romanced Jacob and Thane got.

Yeah. We got this.



Wow. It's so long. And fulfilling. Look at all the time they lavished on it.

And the four line build-up to it -- so rewarding. What more could I ask?

Right, because the conversation on Cronos station doesn't exist.

Right. Just like the scene where femShep gets to punch out Jacob.

And the scene right before the final battle for Earth, where Shepard sits in her cabin and opens the greybox Thane gave her of all his perfect memories of their time together, including the memory of the final night they spent together before Shepard left to turn herself in to the Alliance.

Just like the scene where Shepard wakes up from that final nightmare with Jack beside him. She starts to comfort him, says, "F*ck, I'm not good at this sh*t," then awkwardly says that she knows a lot about waking up from nightmares, but now neither of them have to wake up from them alone.

Such excellent nonexistent content.

[sammysoso]

Really OP? Liara-mancers have nothing to complain about, you guys/gals got the most content BY FAR.

[Omega Torsk]

ReaperMAC wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Complainers about Liara's romance... I don't know what to say...

Yeah, really.

What.

I didn't even romance her and it still felt I was in a relationship with her.

 
Seriously. She's a good character, but she doesn't get the concept of "friendzone" . <_<

I agree. Was kind of tired of Liara constantly hitting on me. Kind of wish some of those "Are you okay? Is there anything I can do?" scenes would have been supplemented by the person you are currently romancing.

But yeah, the Liaramancers don't have much ground to complain on. They are minor gripes at best. I'm sorry Liara doesn't acknowledge your previous relationship much in the early part of the game... Jacob straight-up dumps Shepard and entered the douche-zone between ME2 and ME3, Jack gets a whopping two scenes with Shepard (three if you count the holo-convo) and no sex scene, Thane dies and unique scenes and romance dialogue that should be there just isn't, and Miranda is absent for most of the game with a few kernels of romance-unique scenes and dialogue thrown in where applicable.

[wildannie]

Karrie788 wrote...

Action Bawstard wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Hey, I'm a Liara guy too, but we don't deserve to complain. We got it off the best.

Look at the Thanemancers.

LOOK AT US ;~;

I really hope you guys get more justice in future DLC. Thane's romance was horribly handled.

I hope so too 

[ENorman94]

The only "I love you" in the entire Miranda romance arc happens when she dies. Thats pretty lazy imo. Im not even going to import my thane romance playthrough because itll make me mad and sad at the same time.

[skyferret]

sammysoso wrote...

Really OP? Liara-mancers have nothing to complain about, you guys/gals got the most content BY FAR.

Yes, much like we have nothing to complain about with the ME3 ending- we got a heck of a lot of content than those who couldn't afford to buy the game!

The game does force non-romancers to have a lot of contact with Liara. That's not relevant to the romance. A lot of those interactions are not changed just because she's in a relationship with Shepard. It's just what, one or two small actions on Mars, and the sit-on-lap-flatterer scene. Those are the only regular, default interactions that I can think of that are affected by a relationship. Even on the Citadel-confirmation date, whether pre-romanced or not, Liara states she wishes things could stay just like this, as friends.
Because it's not like Shep's -Liara even, 'flatterer'- confirmed their status as more than friends multiple times already.

Yeah, a Liaramancer gets a bigger reward than non-dextro ME2, and a non-fade-to-black, but the friends comment along with the general lack of acknowledgement from her for a large part of the game is worthy of criticism. It's not the worst by far, but that doesn't mean there's no room for improvement.

Modifié par skyferret, 15 avril 2012 - 06:42 .

[TudorWolf]

Romance was a bit weird in ME3 alright.

Hate Liara's "just friends" thing, since the first convo you have with her aboard the Normandy lets you reaffirm an imported relationship. Why the turnaround?

[Orthodox Infidel]

Aaleel wrote...

Vexille wrote...

did anyone else snicker just a bit when they realized bioware had made the one black squadmate the no good cheater who went and knocked up another woman?

oh bioware... lol

I thought the whole absentee father scenario in ME2 was worse personally.

I've been wondering if Bioware was deliberately trying to ****** off black people with every racial stereotype. I mean, the only ones they're missing at this point involve food.

[cogsandcurls]

Nightwriter wrote...

Right. Just like the scene where femShep gets to punch out Jacob.

And the scene right before the final battle for Earth, where Shepard sits in her cabin and opens the greybox Thane gave her of all his perfect memories of their time together, including the memory of the final night they spent together before Shepard left to turn herself in to the Alliance.

Just like the scene where Shepard wakes up from that final nightmare with Jack beside him. She starts to comfort him, says, "F*ck, I'm not good at this sh*t," then awkwardly says that she knows a lot about waking up from nightmares, but now neither of them have to wake up from them alone.

Such excellent nonexistent content.

This is a good post and you should feel good - what I wouldn't give to have ANY of these scenes in the game ;_;

[Terrorize69]

Maybe the way to go with Liara is to not romance her, dunno about you but she always made pass's at me when I was in a romance with Tali

I found the Rannoch story arc paired with Tali's romance very moving and the comments aboard the Geth ship were welcome.

From what I seen, both Tali and Garrus got the best romance for Male and Female shep, althoe that's not saying too much. Romance scene's etc were still lacking for all.

[Raiil]

How about we agree that anyone who romanced a ME2-origin character got punched in the face repeatedly. By an Atlas.


The thing that bugs me is that half of the complaints could have been settled by a 10 minuteish date scene on the Citadel. Reaffirm feelings. Talk about the future in whatever capacity (yes, even Thane- a statement that he loves Shepard no matter what and do what he can on the Citadel would be better than the garbage we got) followed by a visit to the Normandy and a roll in the hay would have pacified people to a degree.  Would it be perfect? No, but the outcry would most likely not be this bad. 

Instead, Thane acts like the relationship is dead in the water, Jacob turns into a giant stereotype, Jack and Miranda get a pat on the head, a few smooches and one fade to black that kind of... Sucks. No epic emails from Jack jokingly telling you that you need to hurry up and save the universe so you two can have victory sex again? No volo hid from Jacob, just to say he's thinking about you?


Please.

Modifié par Valentia X, 15 avril 2012 - 06:57 .

[Southerndoom]

Im a Liara guy but i do agree many people did not get enough time with their LI.
Id love to see a LI based DLC.Adding a couple scenes spent around them and
possibly an additional ending featuring them if that doesnt happen in the extended cut.

[mnomaha]

Baihu1983 wrote...

I think those who romanced Thane should have got a cure mission but then of course that would mess up the Leng scene[which is lame anyways, 3 people just watching while pointing guns.]

Exactly!

[Dark_Caduceus]

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Man, almost everything took a step back. Dialogue(and indirectly romances), exploration, freedom/non-linearity, character writing/motivations, theme(largely in the ending, but elsewhere as well), etc, etc, etc.

Only thing that seemed to take a step forward was gameplay, and only in certain ways(no more vehicle combat or mini-games, the shooting/cover aspects were pretty much perfected but they seem to have jsut given up on the rest).

To a certain point, I agree with the first part, but while ME3 does progress as a shooter, the complete removal of exploration from ME1 onward(the Hammerhead missions did  suck) was not a good thing for me. The UNC's just needed less repetitiveness and less mountain crawling, but I liked them. And they were completely optional. And the continued truncation of RPG elements like the hacking minigames(which improved in ME2 but could still probably use work) and the associated skills is one of the things I've disliked about the series' direction since EA took over(Yay autodialogue). There are enough shooters out there already.

I meant the ME2 and ME3 were taking a step back by reducing and then eliminating vehicle combat; I meant that while ME3 improved as a shooter it did so at the cost of other potentially good gameplay elements, i.e- Mini-games and vehicle combat.

So I'm in agreement with you.

[o Ventus]

Most definitely. Liara has, bar none, the best though (Why?).

Miranda and Jack's romances are 1-2 lines added onto the stock conversations. Hell, Jack doesn't even have an actual sex scene. Miranda's, while almost all implied, is present. Ashley (No idea about Kaidan) has almost no actual conversations while aboard the Normandy (Unless you count the banter and auto-dialogue). From what my friend says, Tali's romance was jipped in places too. The only non-Liara romance continuation that actually seems good is Garrus.

I don't think I need to comment on Jacob and Thane.

[Dead_Meat357]

Southerndoom wrote...

Im a Liara guy but i do agree many people did not get enough time with their LI.
Id love to see a LI based DLC.Adding a couple scenes spent around them and
possibly an additional ending featuring them if that doesnt happen in the extended cut.

Same here. I liked Liara the most and thought her relationship was handled well for the most part. We certainly got a lot of time with her in general. As for my playthroughs where I romanced Miranda and Ashley, not so much. Anyone who romanced anyone other than Tali or Garrus in ME2 got cheated. Other ME1 romances (Ashley and Kaiden) just aren't as fulfilling due to a lot due to them being sidelined for a lot of the game and forced tension because of their distrust towards Shepard stemming from ME2.

[Eliantariel]

HellbirdIV wrote...

I don't get why people are so upset about Jacob. Shepard was gone for SIX MONTHS in an Alliance prison, after they had what, a 2 week relationship that lead directly into HOLY ****, COLLECTORS ARE NEARLY KILLING ALL OF US KEEP RUNNING AND SHOOTING HOLY SHIIIIIT OH **** A GIANT TERMINATOR KILL IT WITH FIIIIIREEEE!!!!

I just don't understand why people expect Jacob to just sit on his ass and be "loyal" to Shepard for half a year - hell, Jacob probably didn't even know Shepard got off Earth, or had any way of knowing that Shepard would ever get out of military detention.

It's called "moving on", not "cheating", when you don't know wether or not your partner is even still alive after 6 months.

There was never a break up scene - Jacob is the only LI in Me2 that even says that he loves Shepard. And than he cannot wait 6 months for her? And even less, as he started something with Brynn some time before. So from Shepards/players perspective they are still together.

For VS even with horizon and Shepard being 2 years dead, having a romance in ME2 is always considered as cheating. And I think that is more open to interpret as moving on.

I am not quite a fan of Jacob and never romanced him but I really feel sorry for everyone who did. No LI should be handled like this. This is a computer game that is meant for entertaining - so of course it is realistic to have a cheating partner, that does happen, but it is inappropriate in the game and made Jacob being a LI in Me2 pointless. And even if I am not a fan of Jacob I don't think it fits to his character.

Modifié par Eliantariel, 15 avril 2012 - 08:04 .

[Dead_Meat357]

Eliantariel wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

I don't get why people are so upset about Jacob. Shepard was gone for SIX MONTHS in an Alliance prison, after they had what, a 2 week relationship that lead directly into HOLY ****, COLLECTORS ARE NEARLY KILLING ALL OF US KEEP RUNNING AND SHOOTING HOLY SHIIIIIT OH **** A GIANT TERMINATOR KILL IT WITH FIIIIIREEEE!!!!

I just don't understand why people expect Jacob to just sit on his ass and be "loyal" to Shepard for half a year - hell, Jacob probably didn't even know Shepard got off Earth, or had any way of knowing that Shepard would ever get out of military detention.

It's called "moving on", not "cheating", when you don't know wether or not your partner is even still alive after 6 months.

There was never a break up scene - Jacob is the only LI in Me2 that even says that he loves Shepard. And than he cannot wait 6 months for her? And even less, as he started something with Brynn some time before. So from Shepards/players perspective they are still together.

For VS even with horizon and Shepard being 2 years dead, having a romance in ME2 is always considered as cheating. And I think that is more open to interpret as moving on.

I am not quite a fan of Jacob and never romanced him but I really feel sorry for everyone who did. No LI should be handled like this. This is a computer game that is meant for entertaining - so of course it is realistic to have a cheating partner, that does happen, but it is inappropriate in the game and made Jacob being a LI in Me2 pointless. And even if I am not a fan of Jacob I don't think it fits to his character.

He says he knew her for about a year. Shepard and Jacob have been apart for about six months or so. Seems likely that he was playing both of them at some point.

[Deuterium_Dawn]

mnomaha wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

I think those who romanced Thane should have got a cure mission but then of course that would mess up the Leng scene[which is lame anyways, 3 people just watching while pointing guns.]

Exactly!

I would have liked a cure mission regardless(probably coming in DLC at some point.) Thane was awesome.

[o Ventus]

Sparatus wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Miranda. 

You have sex in a dirty, abandoned Citadel apartment.

Still better than what people who romanced Jacob and Thane got.

Dirty and abandoned? It looked *pretty* clean and up-kept.

[RShara]

sedrikhcain wrote...

RShara wrote...
6 months
Shepard was incarcerated for trying to save the galaxy. She couldn't write or call.
Very short time to hook up and impregnate another girl...

You do realize they were together for all of about two weeks while trying to stop the Collectors, right? And how do you know Shepard couldn't write or call?

I just think this Cheater thing is a little silly. They're hookup was a total fling and people are acting like they're married and he had an affair.

Um, no, read my other post in response to this. ME3 takes place over the course of about 9 months and Jacob is one of the first to be picked up. He also tells Shepard, "I love you," during his romance scene. Apparently love lasts less than six months when the one you love is locked up for saving the galaxy.

howieloader wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

RShara wrote...

Wulfram wrote....

CerealWar wrote...
Shepard
and Co. just standing there gawking while Thane fights for his life was just terrible. So much went wrong with that level. Introducing Leng as Shepard's rival/ foil. Aggh!

I took it that they couldn't safely get a shot in with all the cool martial arts stuff going on, so it didn't bother me too much.

Sorry, there were TONS of places where they could have gotten shots in. Not to mention the martial arts were kinda sad.
I mean...who charges a sword? When they're holding a gun?
Picture analysis of KL vs Thane

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I looked at your "analysis" and you've got a real problem... You can't appreciate art...

(Edit: Isn't quoting properly, weird.)

My biggest problem with that fight was that master assassin Thane had KL dead to rights at point-blank range and hesitated so badly that he never even got a shot off before KL disarmed him. Someone will immediately argue that Thane was sick and it slowed him down but a) by the time KL turned to look, Thane's gun was almost touching him. Someone as skilled as Thane would've executed KL way before then. Thane was well enough after KL isarmed him to spar with the guy and knock him to the ground with a quick, precise combo. So if his illness slowed him down at first, it certainly didn't just a few seconds later.

Ehhmmmm How is that art? Thane had him Dead to Rights before KL even knew Thane was there. It's about as artistic as the ending (read: stupid and full of holes).
Basically what Howieloader said.

Edit to fix formatting

Modifié par RShara, 15 avril 2012 - 11:23 .

[tvman099]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

rivqa wrote...

mrbthq wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Man, almost everything took a step back. Dialogue(and indirectly romances), exploration, freedom/non-linearity, character writing/motivations, theme(largely in the ending, but elsewhere as well), etc, etc, etc.

Only thing that seemed to take a step forward was gameplay, and only in certain ways(no more vehicle combat or mini-games, the shooting/cover aspects were pretty much perfected but they seem to have jsut given up on the rest).

This.

So very true, although I'll give them Rannoch and Tuchanka.

I also strongely agree with these statements. Though to me Tuchanka blew Rannoch out of the water.

I think Rannoch was a bit weak because you basically just land, kill some geth, and end up killing a single destroyer class Reaper, just like you already did on Tuchanka. The painfully bad dialogue with the Reaper didn't help, either.

To me, the strongest stretch of the game was the Mars mission to the end of Tuchanka. All of that was great and I enjoyed every minute. Outside of that though, the quality varies a lot.

[Velocithon]

Feels like you were supposed to romance Liara all along. In ME2 they gave you other options but none of them come to fruition in ME3.

If you romanced Miranda, she should've become a squad mate. Same with Jacob (ew). As for Thane...that's different. You knew he was gonna die even in ME2.

[T-0pel]

Karrie788 wrote...

The problem is that when you tell Bioware something is wrong in ME, they don't try to fix it, they get rid of it. For example the Mako in ME1, and sadly, the Jacob romance.

Personally I can't complain, the Garrus romance was fantastic.

Yeah they do this

[TheLostGenius]

THey never were really that important to begin with. Just a simple side story in a made up story.