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[Endgame13]

 I'm running with my PC DW warrior, Alistar to tank, wynne for heals, and lelianna for lockpicking/what I don't consider dps. I'm using here as an archer and I've built her that way. She doesn't have the best gear but her dmg plain out sucks! I've always equally given her cun/dex and there both in their 30's atm. I'm using rapid fire instead of aim just too see if it works better. Can comeone offer some advice here?

[nuculerman]

Endgame13 wrote...

 I'm running with my PC DW warrior, Alistar to tank, wynne for heals, and lelianna for lockpicking/what I don't consider dps. I'm using here as an archer and I've built her that way. She doesn't have the best gear but her dmg plain out sucks! I've always equally given her cun/dex and there both in their 30's atm. I'm using rapid fire instead of aim just too see if it works better. Can comeone offer some advice here?

Yeah, we're both missing something.  I have the same problem with my own archer build.  I can't seem to make archers do damage.  I have never had lelianna in a playthrough because she's the weakest character IMO since she's already spec'ed to be an archer.

[Mavkiel]

I tried to make her an archer, and still was very unsatisfied with her damage. Ah well, my character needed something to slow him down, to bad it is his support

[beauville]

I've had the best results with a DEX build for an archer. 20 STR for armor, 22 CUN for stealth and the rest in DEX with a short bow. (with unofficial DEX fix, of course) The short bow is fast with decent damage. I've done this with both Leliana and my PC rogue in different games.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

Remember that unless you get Lethality you still need Strength to raise LONGbow damage. Shortbows should be dex only however. (but that may require an unofficial fix)



I've found with my Rogue that I do very nice damage with my bow, almost comparable to my melee damage. (My melee benefits from runes and poisons however, and increased speed)

[nuculerman]

beauville wrote...

I've had the best results with a DEX build for an archer. 20 STR for armor, 22 CUN for stealth and the rest in DEX with a short bow. (with unofficial DEX fix, of course) The short bow is fast with decent damage. I've done this with both Leliana and my PC rogue in different games.

So is that the reason archery is good?  I don't have the unofficial DEX fix.  Does archery just suck regardless of your weapon if you don't have that?

Looks like Journey's was more telling that people thought it would be.  After playing journey's I thought to myself, wow, so mages are overpowered and archers suck hard.  Nothing has changed for me since playing Origins.  It's such a pity because my Dalish archer is the best looking character I've ever made and I can't even play him.

[felix4200]

You can easily play it as an archer, though it might not be as easy as other builds. Personally i don't use archery much, however just stacking dex and cunning (with the lethality talent) my rogues do decent damage with archery. Leliana too when i use her.



It is inferior in pure dps compared to melee, but you get additional benefits like aoe stun, arrow of slaying and taking less damage. I might actually play an archer on my next playthrough

[XOGHunter246]

Liliana is good if setup right i agree her damage is low if it's not arrow of slaying but she hardly takes alot damage due to having high dex and my Liliana hits like 30-50s

[v.lokai]

Get her a bow with rapid aim on it and never use rapid fire. A regular dalish longbow will work if you haven't quested or acquired any of the better ones. Lethality will bump her dps quite a bit plus if you make her a ranger her pet adds dps as well.

[Dark83]

My Leilana has low DPS, but tons of kills. She shoots Lowest Health, which works really well if my mage tosses an AoE - she can down an enemy every shot.

[Sharog]

the only way to make leilana do dmg is to do a full dex shortbow build with the dex fix, otherwise it is just there for the 10% partywide dmg.

[menasure]

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

Remember that unless you get Lethality you still need Strength to raise LONGbow damage. Shortbows should be dex only however. (but that may require an unofficial fix)

I've found with my Rogue that I do very nice damage with my bow, almost comparable to my melee damage. (My melee benefits from runes and poisons however, and increased speed)

this. lethality works as dex damage fix even when there is no official fix yet.
nevertheless the game principles allow you to use faster weapons and stack big damage bonusses (poison, elemental damage, rune effects) on them so you can still get by even without dex fix. i don't have lethality and litlle strength on my archer currently but one of the best available tier7 bows provides sufficient though not incredible damage.
actually it's probably more of a problem to add a lot of dex on a strength based build because you're gimping your damage then without the faster weapon speed to compensate.

[Xantor_Stromgate]

Wow. My Lily does great damage AND steals during combat ... The secret is items that increase your ranged critical % ... ... And, as stated above, Rapid Aim.

[Lughsan35]

Xantor_Stromgate wrote...

Wow. My Lily does great damage AND steals during combat ... The secret is items that increase your ranged critical % ... ... And, as stated above, Rapid Aim.

Don't forget LIGHT armor so she can shoot faster...

[Solwen_Polyhymnia]

A few things contribute to bow low dps. First of all if you don't have the dex fix than dex is not adding to bow damage. If you get the dex fix and want to go dex build on Leliana than use shortbow as all dex contribute to damage vs dex/str split for longbow. If you don't have a dex fix or want to use longbow (esp since she gets a nice one) than you want to get the talent lethality as it convert cunning score in place of area that calls for str bonus.)



Even than bow dps is going to be subpar since they as a weapon doesn't hit as hard as two handed sword and have slower rate of fire than a dual wielder. Moreover they don't have rune slots in which you can add damage enhancements. Add if you have mage in your group they don't benefit from flaming/ice weapon damage. Even if they do have rune slots under the current mechanics they don't transmit their damage to the arrows. They have flaming/ice arrows but those damage is about equal to that to 1 journeyman rune and a stack of a arrow can easily cost a gold so is relatively expensive compare to a journeyman rune. In addition a melee type can add poison/coating to a weapon. Bow wielders can't. I melee weapon with 3 slotted with 3 grandmaster elemental damage rune and flaming weapon rune will be doing +15 pts of damage with runes and at least 10 pts from flaming weapon for about extra 25 pts per hit that the archer can't match.



The one thing in favor of a bow user is that there are some fights where the monster will spam close AE stun/debuff/knockdown a lot and being away from them can be very useful. However a mage can do the same thing and can cast hard hitting spells.



They do have a high damage talent in the form of arrow of slaying however that is on a long recharge and high stamina cost and unlike mages the game as is have no stamina potion for you to use it more than once a fight.



The two different shooting modes are alos bit of a trap as rapid aim increase the shooting rate by only a small amounts and from what I gather any bow with rapid aim will achieve nearly the same effect. Aim reduce the shooting rate by so much that it's increase in damage barely offset the decrease in rate.



If you leave an archer and a mage on auto attack mode and equip them with the best weapon the archer may come out ahead. But if they mage start using damaging spells and unlimited lesser lyrium potions, the mage will likely come out ahead esp since they can debuff resistence and have number of items that increase elemental damage.



At this point you can do one of a few things.

1)You can rage at Bioware and ruin an otherwise fun experience.

2)You can just resign yourself to the fact that she is likely not going to be doing tons of damage herself and make her a ranger so her pets can kick in a significant chunk of damage along with song of courage.

3) change her spec to a dual wielding backstabbing rogue. The key talents being lethality, combat movements, Dual weapon finese and momentum.

4) Use mods which change the equations. Here is one that makes significant changes

http://dragonagenexu...file.php?id=216

[Ponce de Leon]

With my archer run (with the unofficial fix, just to mention) I did a 469 shot with arrow of slaying. The proof is right on might character, the human noble, if anyone is interested. I loved the effect of scattershot, and has to be one of the firstest games where I enjoyed the ranged way.

[Archfiend]

shes always sucked for me until i got her lethality and dumped every point into cunning i could, she turned out pretty decent then. i use her for singing the damage song for me and picking locks. with a high cunning and the talent her damage about doubles, you can also make her a ranger; master ranger wolf does pretty good damage.



get her a good bow and just use normal shooting, or at most suppressing fire. aim and rapid i dont care for on her.

[Id of Ith]

If you are not running the Dexterity hotfix, get Lethality and pump the crap out of her Cunning. You'll have to run Longbows for this since because Shortbows do not use the Strength modifier, so Lethality would not work. This has a couple other benefits - being a Bard it pumps her song bonuses, and increases her checks on lockpicking and trap disarming. Only increase Dexterity as necessary to unlock her archery talents that you want.

Modifié par Id of Ith, 07 décembre 2009 - 08:23 .