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[nuculerman]

I don't know what my problem is.  I can play just about any build on nightmare except an archer/ranger.  This was my second choice for my first playthrough and I just stopped it at level 8.  After I beat the game on normal, then hard, and then realized I could play on nightmare without much trouble, I figured I had learned enough and went back to this build.  I still suck with it.  Level 8 and I guess I'm just not getting what the hype is about.  I'm told a ranger/bard with archery can solo on nightmare.  I can't even use him on nightmare with a full party.  He's useless.  He does NO DAMAGE whatsoever.  What the heck am I missing here, guys?

I have two points in stealth, all my stats save two have gone into dexterity.  The other few went into strength so I could wear the dalish armor set.  The rest of my talents are in the bow line.  Plus dirty fighting, obviously.  And then I have a wolf.  I've tried suppressive fire, rapid fire, and aim, and it doesn't really matter.  It's always the same.  My guy does **** damage.  He's wielding a "scout's bow" which is the best bow I've come across so far.  I figured I'd do the Dalish quests first and it's tough as all hell on nightmare with Morrigan, Sten and Dog.  I can't even come close to beating the Revenant mobs.  My party can kill two skeletons before we wipe.  I just walked through all the revenant mobs with just Morrigan and Sten with my DW a day ago.  Given, they were all level 12, but still.  What the heck am I doing wrong?  Any tips on play style and where to spend talents is greatly appreciated.  Note: "combat stealth + arrow of slaying + running away until combat stealth recharges" is not the advice I'm looking for.  I'm not trying to solo nightmare.  I'm just trying to roleplay a kick-ass archer elf who rolls with Sten, Morrigan and Dog, defiles Andraste's Ashes because human Gods are lame,  and makes Allistair king so he can be his chief advisor and slowly work for an elf takeover of Fereldan because Allistair is a class A moron.  I realize I could just play on normal, but I'm really curious now why everyone else thinks a ranger/bard is so broken when it's the weakest build by far, IMHO, because archers just can't do damage in my experience except with arrow of slaying.   

[nuculerman]

bump...



seriously, I really want to play a ranger/archer and would love to know how you guys do it. I'm getting bored with my DW warrior.

[Kesshi]

Check out these two threads. They have been a big help to me.

http://social.biowar.../index/285107/1
http://social.biowar.../index/328627/3

It's a lot of reading, but I reccomend you read the entirety of both threads. In one thread the first posts had some errors and the updated and corrected versions come later. I haven't checked the first posts to the later posts. In the other the author goes to great detail about how to survive.

I am currently in a play-through using this type of a Rogue setup, and I am enjoying it very well. I can see how this character could easily solo Nightmare.

Modifié par Kesshi, 06 décembre 2009 - 11:33 .

[nuculerman]

 Ok.  I've done everything they've said and my ranger/archer still sucks.  Given, between him and his pet he's pretty awesome, but that's because his pet is awesome.

First off, I don't have the dex fix.

Secondly I'm level 13.  I have 34 Dex and 40 Cunning.  I have combat stealth, lethality, wolf, arrow of slaying, suppressive fire.  I'm wielding a Dalish longbow with rapid aim.  Here are some of my experiences.

To test how accurate he was compared to other archer enemies I stood against a grenlock archer without activating stealth.  I did more damage than him and killed him before he killed me but he hit me way more often.  My accuracy was about 60% while his was close to 90%. Maybe he had 50 dexterity or something, but I thought I was supposed to focus on cunning? I didn't realize if I didn't up my dexterity like mad I'd just flat out miss with my bow all the time.

Next, arrow of slaying.  It saps almost all my stamina with a pet up.  I have enough stamina left for one more attack like shattering shot or critical shot.  So far, arrow of slaying is hitting for about 250, which I'm really pleased with.  What I'm not pleased with is how it misses 50% of the time.  Call me crazy, but if I'm taking all that time to aim to place a "deadly aimed" arrow, shouldn't it ALWAYS HIT???  I feel like I should either get my 250 damage or get my normal 40 or whatever, not 250 or nothing.  That's ridiculous.  Not to mention, wtf do I do when I miss?  I just drew aggro and drained 80% of my stamina all so I could do zero damage?

Stealth attacks miss about 40% of the time too.  Once again, what now?  I just drew aggro so I could deal zero damage.

So I'm really failing to see how people are soloing on nightmare with this build.  Maybe when I'm level 18 and have 50 dex and 70 cunning I could almost pull that off.  But at low levels I'm at a complete and utter loss.  I read the post about how that one guy is doing it but I fail to see how that's working for him.  I mean stealth-arrow of slaying-stealth is a great tactic and all but he forgot to mention in his post that arrow of slaying misses 40% of the time.  So what, he just takes 2 hours to kill every mob?  Or does this dex fix increase accuracy too for a bow?

Please, archery fans out there, wtf am I missing?  Warriors get 100% hit rates with their activated abilities, why don't we?  Why do fire arrows cost 30 gold for a stack that lasts me half of one quest?  Why do enemy archers hit more often than I do?  In short, why does my archer suck?

[Gerunt]

well my build isn't really a ranger/archer build, its more of a build half/half build but i range 90% of the time unless attacked in melee. For my build all i have in archery is just 4 talent points all towards arrows of slaying. On dueling weapon spec i have 7 talent point all to wield duel sword swords and momentum. and i started out as a duelist not a ranger or bard. From what i read people use bard as there first spec choose. I personally think duelist is better even at first glance the dualist talents are better for a melee character, I've had better damage using it first than bard. One because you don't get song of courage to to a bit higher in lvl, two because and this is if you plan on playing with a party i leliana alrdy a bard and i take her every time i go out which makes up for the bard bonuses. I'm at lvl 17 right now playing on nightmare and i have felon's armor, far song, red jenny seekers, key to the city and other stuff to much to explain:P but i average with my normal shots about 40-50 and with leliana's song of courage around 50. My highest arrow of slaying shot is 768. Personally i think making a archer using the ranger spec is a waste of time only thing you benefit from it is the use of pets. Which if you play right don't need. My first play through i was a ranger pets are all cool and everything especially m favorite the blight wolf but if you in a party just make leliana a ranger instead. My group has a mix of every spec in the game morrigan shapeshift/bloodmage, sten/reaver, wynn/spirit healer/arcane warrior and etc.

hop this helps

[Happykola]

http://social.biowar.../index/328627/1

[Onlyasandwich]

Archers aren't incredible fun before you get a really nice bow. You're about to come up on one by the dragon in the brecilian ruins. The locked chest in the haven shop also has an easily accessible one.



Regarding your stats. It is only really effective for an archer to go heavy into cunning/lethality if they are going to be a bard, as the bard song translates that cunning into more attack and damage. Without that you will be missing constantly. I would recommend picking bard as your second spec, as you are almost to 14 anyhow. If you don't want to do bard for some reason then go ahead and meet str requirements and go heavy into dex so you'll actually have some attack power. Dueling can also be a nice boost here, but not as powerful as bard songs as time goes on.



If you want to take Leliana in your party, you can let her focus on cunning/lethality and bard song while you pump major dex and enjoy all the benefits of both worlds. If you install the dex hotfix and find a good shortbow this works even better.

[nuculerman]

 well I have to play a ranger/archer because a dalish/ranger/archer is the single most fun character to roleplay for me.  It doesn't make much sense that my dalish/archer would have learned to be a bard before he met Lelianna, but it makes perfect sense that he learned how to be a Ranger from someone in his Dalish camp.

And from what I can tell, most people that solo with an archer do it with a ranger/bard because most duelist talents help with melee, while every bard talent and every ranger talent is useful for an archer.  I still might pick duelist for a second specialization and basically do what you said after I get scattershot, but I really wanted this guy to be a pure archer that almost never switches to melee.  Even though I've heard just having wolf is enough, I'm still going to max out the ranger line for roleplaying reasons.  I really want to be able to play this guy with just his pet, dog, Sten and Morrigan since he's distrustful of humans.  From what I can tell, that should be REALLY EASY with my build, but it REALLY ISN'T.  So I'm flabbergasted as to what exactly I doing wrong.  For me, single target damage isn't the problem right now.  It's simply hit rate.  If all that happened was my hit rate went from 60% to 90% I'd have almost zero complaints.  I mean, it kind of even ruins immersion.  If you talk to Duncan and Cailin they'll both mention that the Dalish are known for their bowmenship and Duncan I think we'll even mention that there's one grey warden he remembers that was unmatched in bow skill... and he was Dalish.  I've spent my whole life hunting animals and scaring off shems with a bow and yet if I'm standing five inches from my target, I can't hit him 40% of the time????
I mean, from what I've read archer fans just don't have this problem so I'm really interested in what the hell I'm doing wrong.  I mean enemy archers hit me with pinning shot with what seems like a 100% accuracy rate.  Meanwhile my own pinning shot misses 20% of the time and is resisted another 40% of the time on top of that.  SO what am I doing?  Was my dexterity supposed to be 60 and my cunning suposed to be 30 at this point?  

[nuculerman]

Happykola wrote...

http://social.biowar.../index/328627/1

That's exactly my point.  I already have the recommended dexterity and I miss way too often.  30 dexterity is enough?  Okay.  I have 34 dexterity that I've pumped into it already.  Haven't done the circle tower.  Have the dalish set and the dalish ring.  My dex is over 40 with buffs.  All my activated abilities still have at least a 20% chance of missing and at least a 30% chance of being resisted if they do actually hit.

Again, pet+archer= decent DPS for me but know what would kill that in DPS?  Pet+DW+momentum, which I could have already had by now and then some.  And every CC ability I have is just about useless for two reasons:

1.  They probably work as intended 50% of the time, if not less
2. I don't have the stamina to use them after using arrow of slaying.

The only exception is scattershot which I don't have yet, but which Lelianna has in my other playthrough and which seems to hit almost 100% of the time.  But lelianna basically has enough stamina for scattershot+arrow of slaying+auto attack.

So I guess my real question is that with the archer build, am I basically just supposed to auto attack my way through the game after I use scattershot and arrow of slaying?  Because, with my awesome accuracy rating, I'd have to say that my other activated abilities are basically just a waste of stamina.

[Onlyasandwich]

The people in that topic recommend that amount of dexterity because they use bardic song to supplement their  attack rating. If you do not have a secondary form of attack buff like song of courage or dueling, a build that caps dex at 34 is going to be missing all the time no matter what you do. So either pump your dex or pick up a spec or a party member who will buff your attack rating.

As to spec choice, bard is often used because it scales very well with a lethality build, giving you even more return on your cunning.

Duelist gives you a more immediate attack rating boost, but falls behind bard later in the game. If you have the spare points to max out duelist, the automatic crit talent is also incredible for archers.

Ranger is good all around for any rogue because pets are neat and hard to use wrong.

Modifié par Onlyasandwich, 09 décembre 2009 - 01:48 .