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[Landamskarn]

Meltemph wrote...

 I'm just curious as to if those who liked Lost's ending, liked ME3's and vise versa.  More of a curiosity then anything.

Dont need to get into detail if you dont want to. Anywho, I'll start.

Lost ending: Disliked - I was always more interested in the questions lost gave, via scifi, then whether or not Jack dies happy, so it was a major disapointment.

ME3 ending: Dislike - I've explained it enough in a lot of topics...

Liked Lost's (albeit with misgivings about aspects), disliked ME3's.

Modifié par Landamskarn, 15 avril 2012 - 06:24 .

[Baa Baa]

ScaredPeach wrote...

I liked Lost because the ending was consistent with the entire series. They weren't just like "Ok, its been straightforward since now, so lets complete turn it on its head with some crazy twist." No, the whole Jacob-blank man thing can be attached to the entire series from begging to end.

I dont like the mass effect ending because they just sprung some crazy thing out of nowhere. In Lost I knew it was coming and wondering how it would be put together, happy or not; in mass effect I already knew what the ending would be (Reapers not a threat, duh) just not how they would go about it. The catalyst in the last 3 minutes is like if Lost did the entire Jacob plot-line in the very last episode, you need to establish something like that so the ending works.

Idunno, Lost just made it graceful. They have the artistic integrity card somehow while Bioware really doesn't.

Agreed:ph34r:

[Meltemph]

ScaredPeach wrote...

I liked Lost because the ending was consistent with the entire series. They weren't just like "Ok, its been straightforward since now, so lets complete turn it on its head with some crazy twist." No, the whole Jacob-blank man thing can be attached to the entire series from begging to end.

I dont like the mass effect ending because they just sprung some crazy thing out of nowhere. In Lost I knew it was coming and wondering how it would be put together, happy or not; in mass effect I already knew what the ending would be (Reapers not a threat, duh) just not how they would go about it. The catalyst in the last 3 minutes is like if Lost did the entire Jacob plot-line in the very last episode, you need to establish something like that so the ending works.

Idunno, Lost just made it graceful. They have the artistic integrity card somehow while Bioware really doesn't.

So then the biggest draw in Lost to you wasnt the SciFi but the cahracters?  Well, then I could see people being fine with the lost ending in that regard. Both to me were scifi based and none of them really seemed to care about the scifi near as much as they should have, in the end.  To me they both ended up being about stiring emotion and nothing else.

Modifié par Meltemph, 15 avril 2012 - 06:26 .

[United_Strafes]

Liked the Lost ending, Lost never made sense, why should the ending.

Mass Effect 3 totally botched the ending. Didn't make sense in a game that mostly did. Having decisions not mean anything was the biggest kick in the teeth though.

[Leafs43]

Meltemph wrote...

ScaredPeach wrote...

I liked Lost because the ending was consistent with the entire series. They weren't just like "Ok, its been straightforward since now, so lets complete turn it on its head with some crazy twist." No, the whole Jacob-blank man thing can be attached to the entire series from begging to end.

I dont like the mass effect ending because they just sprung some crazy thing out of nowhere. In Lost I knew it was coming and wondering how it would be put together, happy or not; in mass effect I already knew what the ending would be (Reapers not a threat, duh) just not how they would go about it. The catalyst in the last 3 minutes is like if Lost did the entire Jacob plot-line in the very last episode, you need to establish something like that so the ending works.

Idunno, Lost just made it graceful. They have the artistic integrity card somehow while Bioware really doesn't.

So then the biggest draw in Lost to you wasnt the SciFi but the cahracters?  Well, then I could see people being fine with the lost ending in that regard. Both to me were scifi based and none of them really seemed to care about the scifi near as much as they should have, in the end.  To me they both ended up being about stiring emotion and nothing else.

The biggest draw to Lost was the mystery of the island.  And it was never explained.

[Kara Nan]

I was really quite satisfied with the ending to Lost. The show had kind of gotten out of control after a few seasons, so I didn't care as much anymore, I guess. At least the ending fit the theme. I was left with an overall happy feeling when the credits rolled.

ME3's ending left me feeling hollow and just plain devastated. Had a ton of questions. Did not enjoy it.

[Meltemph]

I should note, that I watched Lost in a lot of the same way Baa Baa did... In the last...I dunno 3 or so months of the final season I watched them all, and only got hooked because of the scifi. All my favorite characters in lost, essentially got a back seat or died, so in terms of characters, it never really was about that for me.

[ElusiveMute]

Sabrestrikealpha wrote...

I hated both. Ending a series with either "We were dead the whole time" or just . . . nonsense is not a good way to end a series.

I think there is an interesting discussion of this kind of stuff here:

http://www.aoltv.com...-r-martin-lost/

If you want to replace "Lost" with "ME3," I think that George R.R. Martin's responses pretty much capture how I felt about the ME series as a whole. Particularly the part where he says that going back and watching the series again would provide him with more frustration than pleasure.

They weren't dead the whole time. They were dead in the "sideways" flashes but everything they did on the island was real.

[Headcount]

Lost was a mystery, so I was expecting not to have every answer. Although, I loved the first season but as they dragged it on just milking the crap out of it, I lost a lot of patience.

As for ME3, I was prepared to die but not to be railroaded into basically three endings that are 97 percent the same. Bioware should stop acting surprised by our negative reaction.

[ScaredPeach]

Meltemph wrote...

ScaredPeach wrote...

I liked Lost because the ending was consistent with the entire series. They weren't just like "Ok, its been straightforward since now, so lets complete turn it on its head with some crazy twist." No, the whole Jacob-blank man thing can be attached to the entire series from begging to end.

I dont like the mass effect ending because they just sprung some crazy thing out of nowhere. In Lost I knew it was coming and wondering how it would be put together, happy or not; in mass effect I already knew what the ending would be (Reapers not a threat, duh) just not how they would go about it. The catalyst in the last 3 minutes is like if Lost did the entire Jacob plot-line in the very last episode, you need to establish something like that so the ending works.

Idunno, Lost just made it graceful. They have the artistic integrity card somehow while Bioware really doesn't.

So then the biggest draw in Lost to you wasnt the SciFi but the cahracters?  Well, then I could see people being fine with the lost ending in that regard. Both to me were scifi based and none of them really seemed to care about the scifi near as much as they should have, in the end.  To me they both ended up being about stiring emotion and nothing else.

I cared about how the characters handled the SciFi. You'll never be able to explain everything, I didnt really expected to learn why the Island moves, and netheir did the characters. Thats the difference between the Me3 ending and Losts ending.

In Me3 the catalyist tells shepard the truth about  the universe or something, and his just like "Oh", and does something.

In Lost the characters get that there will be no one explaining whats going on, and its them just trying to live through the issues and handle them. You dont need to know whats going on, you'll allways have more questions, so just deal with it and get the hell away as fast as possible. Lost walked this line the entire series, and ended with an "Its not worth trying to get it, its not my problem anymore" kind of ending.  Mass Effect did for the majority of the games until they tried explaining.

Does that make sense? I hope it does.

[zaeeds rage]

I disliked Lost's last 3.5 seasons so I didn't care how it ended. I felt the same way with ME3s last 3.5 minutes.

[ThatDancingTurian]

I hated both because they were both the same thing. The writers choked, couldn't do a proper ending, so instead they decided to create what they thought was a 'thought-provoking' ending intended to make them look smart and 'artistic'. Because then surely nobody could fault them! Look at how deep and intellectual they are! ::eye roll::

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 15 avril 2012 - 06:38 .

[Leafs43]

ElusiveMute wrote...

Sabrestrikealpha wrote...

I hated both. Ending a series with either "We were dead the whole time" or just . . . nonsense is not a good way to end a series.

I think there is an interesting discussion of this kind of stuff here:

http://www.aoltv.com...-r-martin-lost/

If you want to replace "Lost" with "ME3," I think that George R.R. Martin's responses pretty much capture how I felt about the ME series as a whole. Particularly the part where he says that going back and watching the series again would provide him with more frustration than pleasure.

They weren't dead the whole time. They were dead in the "sideways" flashes but everything they did on the island was real.

The sideways flashes were amazing.

It was just a kind of purgatory and they all needed each other in the end and couldn't move on.  And in death, time doesn't matter.

And it was explained that Hurley did become the new Jacob and Ben became I guess the new Richard via their small discussion outside of the church and both ended up dying somehow at some point in the future.

Up until the final scene I always thought it was some alternate plot line if the plane had never crashed and you didn't discover they were dead until the very last scenes.

Lost is how you do a bittersweet ending.

Modifié par Leafs43, 15 avril 2012 - 06:40 .

[Jayelle Janson]

I was satisfied with the end of the Lost. It was in keeping with the rest of the series.

The end of Mass Effect was totally at odds with everything that had gone before both in the tone of the story and the mechanics of the game's choice system. I might have well as picked all my responses by doing eeny, meeny, miney, mo because whether you were a homocidal maniac or a paragon of virtue it all ended in the same nonsensical way.

[thefallen2far]

I've said it before, they're very similar endings. Both introduced "twists of explaination" that left more questions than answers. Both were introduced by annoying "ghost characters". Both are reliant on faith or understanding of a philisophical or religious concept to understand, much less to actually like. Both effectthe whole of the rest of the series in a negative light. Both had the lead character going off by himself to confront a substantial villain [Locke and TiM] only to followed by doing a meanial task that is supposed to "mean" something else [with Jack... move a rock. With Shepard.... hold 2 nodes of an electric current, jump into a light or shoot a tube].

Yeah, I hated both.

As for Lost's purgatory... that's where they had their personal "revelation".  It would have been so much more impactful had they done it while they were alive like they were eluding to the entire season.  One of the big problems I had was Jin choosing to go down in the sub... and choosing to make his daughter an orphan.  HATED that in context.

Modifié par thefallen2far, 15 avril 2012 - 06:44 .

[Leafs43]

thefallen2far wrote...

I've said it before, they're very similar endings. Both introduced "twists of explaination" that left more questions than answers. Both were introduced by annoying "ghost characters". Both are reliant on faith or understanding of a philisophical or religious concept to understand, much less to actually like. Both effectthe whole of the rest of the series in a negative light. Both had the lead character going off by himself to confront a substantial villain [Locke and TiM] only to followed by doing a meanial task that is supposed to "mean" something else [with Jack... move a rock. With Shepard.... hold 2 nodes of an electric current, jump into a light or shoot a tube].

Yeah, I hated both.

Jacob and the smoke monster were present from episode 1.


I think some of the other plots were changed.  Like Walt, wtf was that all about.  But the underlying theme had always been there.

[Aweus]

Lost fell into a simple trap. It is easy to ask interesting questions. It is much harder to give interesting answers. Lost just kept stacking those questions and mysteries and at some point they just went too deep. People kept watching the show becouse they expected that it will eventually bring answers as much interesting as questions they were supposed to resolve. Not suprisingly they didnt deliver. IMO Lost went downhill with each subsequent season. The ending for me was just "meh". At some point I knew that writers got lost (pun not intended) so I wasnt expecting much.

ME3 was different. After such an awesome trilogy it smashed me in the face with a brick during last 5 minutes or so. Everything up until that point was top class. They didnt really had to pull anything amazing to make this story complete in a proper way. Yet I have a feeling they picked one of worst possible ways they could. So here I am, waiting for Extended Cut and hoping it will redeem the series.

[Meltemph]

ScaredPeach wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

ScaredPeach wrote...

I liked Lost because the ending was consistent with the entire series. They weren't just like "Ok, its been straightforward since now, so lets complete turn it on its head with some crazy twist." No, the whole Jacob-blank man thing can be attached to the entire series from begging to end.

I dont like the mass effect ending because they just sprung some crazy thing out of nowhere. In Lost I knew it was coming and wondering how it would be put together, happy or not; in mass effect I already knew what the ending would be (Reapers not a threat, duh) just not how they would go about it. The catalyst in the last 3 minutes is like if Lost did the entire Jacob plot-line in the very last episode, you need to establish something like that so the ending works.

Idunno, Lost just made it graceful. They have the artistic integrity card somehow while Bioware really doesn't.

So then the biggest draw in Lost to you wasnt the SciFi but the cahracters?  Well, then I could see people being fine with the lost ending in that regard. Both to me were scifi based and none of them really seemed to care about the scifi near as much as they should have, in the end.  To me they both ended up being about stiring emotion and nothing else.

I cared about how the characters handled the SciFi. You'll never be able to explain everything, I didnt really expected to learn why the Island moves, and netheir did the characters. Thats the difference between the Me3 ending and Losts ending.

In Me3 the catalyist tells shepard the truth about  the universe or something, and his just like "Oh", and does something.

In Lost the characters get that there will be no one explaining whats going on, and its them just trying to live through the issues and handle them. You dont need to know whats going on, you'll allways have more questions, so just deal with it and get the hell away as fast as possible. Lost walked this line the entire series, and ended with an "Its not worth trying to get it, its not my problem anymore" kind of ending.  Mass Effect did for the majority of the games until they tried explaining.

Does that make sense? I hope it does.

Oh ya, I get it, but if you were not too attached to most of the characters in lost, but more attached to the scifi of it all, and wanted them to answer questions(just to give me more questions even), then you came up empty, which is why the Lost ending was so polorizing.  It was a mystery that many wanted to try and solve, and the last season essentially said, no.

As with ME, they noramlly explained everything with techy answers and kept the metaphysical at a minimum, but the end threw-out the tech and jumped full boar in a pool full of metaphysical, only to realize they cant swim.

[kal_reegar]

Lost season 5-6 = garbage

Me3 ending: not garbage, just very very bad. Omniscient Casper and space magic have nothing to do with ME universe.

[NoUserNameHere]

Though it failed to solve a great deal, I didn't have that much of a problem with Lost's ending. It was at least consistent with the tone of the series, where wiered and inexplicable stuff was par for the course.

ME3's ending is like a gut punch to the soul in comparison.

[thefallen2far]

Leafs43 wrote...


Jacob and the smoke monster were present from episode 1.


I think some of the other plots were changed.  Like Walt, wtf was that all about.  But the underlying theme had always been there.

The smoke monster?  Maybe.  The Reapers were there from the begining of Lost.  Jacob?  Argueable... just like it's argueable Star Jar was there the whole time.

[Jealous Beauty]

I didn't like the endings for Lost or Battlestar Galactica. Both endings were better than the ending to ME3.

[ThatDancingTurian]

It's funny to make the connection between the two. I was a massive fan of Lost, as big a fan as I am of Mass Effect. I watched every episode on time, never missed one even when it was driving me up the wall. I have all of the DVDs except for season 6, but I haven't seen a single episode of Lost since the ending, it just soured everything for me. I fear the same will be true of Mass Effect.

At least in the case of Lost, you can pretend you never watched season six and you end up with an ending that answers just as many questions as the real ending, but with a more satisfying conclusion (maybe). That will always be the final episode to me. Kind of like my own Lost-version of IT.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I watched Lost season 1 and lost interest. I didn't like it.

I thought the ending for Battlestar Galactica was still better than ME3, even though I wasn't that convinced by it, although I really couldn't think of any other way the series could end besides purging all the cylons off the fleet and finding a world and colonizing it, which is essentially what they ended up doing.

Babylon 5 should have ended at the end of season 4 IMO and put the last two episodes there.  (season 5 is what I worry about putting a sequel to Mass Effect too close in time to ME3)

Mass Effect was going along fine and then there was the last 5 minutes when it turned into a slow motion train wreck.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 15 avril 2012 - 07:01 .

[noobcannon]

lost got pretty stupid around season 4, not the last 10 minutes.