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OMG YOU'RE STILL WHINING!? THEY GAVE YOU WHAT YOU WANT*


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*Except not really.

Would people please stop saying stuff like this? People said it about Extended Cut, people said it about the face import issue, people said it about the Resurgence Pack. But the thing is it hasn't been true, not once. If you claim that a "reprioritization" of an existing DLC plan (Extended), a broken patch, and some free multiplayer crap is what people wanted- you don't know what you're talking about. Period.

The reason people keep whining after each EA/Bioware press release is because they still have yet to address our grievances. Said grievances include:

-Day 1 DLC.
-Face import still being broken.
-The introduction of a new character at the last second with 0 foreshadowing.
-The complete abandonment of any pretense that our decisions have a real impact on the outcome of the story.
-The fact that you explicitely stated over and over and over that you wouldn't force space magic or deus ex machinas on us.
-The fact you're still talking incessantly about the multiplayer we didn't ask for and don't care about.
-The "unbiased" opinions of game reviewers who didn't even factor in the ending of the game into their reviews and the snide journalists who've belittled and pigeonholed us.
-YOUR PR CAMPAIGN. Literally every step you've taken from the onset has made people angrier.

Modifié par Overule, 15 avril 2012 - 06:50 .


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darthoptimus003

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preach it wow that is totally accurate wish id thought to say that

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b-b-but i like the Mp

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... We wanted plotholes fixed, we stated that quite clearly and not to merely "provide closure and an epilogue".

We got epilogue and closure, which is not what we need and doesn't fix the PLOT HOLES.

We merely wanted them to do as they promised after the game went gold.

If you told me you were giving me a cuban cigar and you didn't, and for some reason I thought a reputable source because you seemed to be one, I'd expect an apology or for you to make up for your lie.

I can make better examples too.

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ya, they are lying and shamelessly publicizing ME3. their latest press release where they take a quote saying that mass effect 3's ending has provoked the largest reaction in video game history... they ignore the rest of the context where of course the reaction is because it's the worst ending in history. no wonder EA/bioware's stock has plummeted.

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bostyt50 wrote...

b-b-but i like the Mp


Pipe down junior! The adults are talking :P

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Oh look, it's this thread again.

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MortalEngines wrote...

Oh look, it's this thread again.


Oh hey, it's that guy! He's so original.

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MortalEngines wrote...

Oh look, it's this thread again.


and from that member again

worlds worst attention seeker

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Haha. At least it's not actually complaining about complaining, otherwise this thread would be locked.

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Well you're not getting what you want.So whatcha gonna do?Rage,leave,complain us to death, Sue?I'm sure there will be another thread like this in a few minutes.

On another note... if we have to see "Change the ending" threads over and over why should your request be respected? MMm?

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http://blogs-images....ss-effect-3.png

and they also still have the nerve to say that your decisions have a serious impact.

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Overule wrote...

MortalEngines wrote...

Oh look, it's this thread again.


Oh hey, it's that guy! He's so original.


Never claimed to be.

This thread has literally been posted about a million times, is it so hard to just post in one of the other one's than reposting about the same goddamn thing every couple of hours?

I'll list them all out for you:
http://social.biowar.../index/11404287 
http://social.biowar.../index/11394377 
http://social.biowar.../index/11414460 
http://social.biowar.../index/11412438 

All pretty much about the same thing (and that's only from page 1). Yet OP needs to post about it again (even though one of those threads is his).

Everything he listed is not something we haven't heard before. Why is it you guys need a new thread to rage every time one goes off the first page. <_<

Edit: If you must post about the extended cut DLC use this
http://social.biowar.../index/11248534 
or this
http://social.biowar.../index/11028261 

Is it really that hard?

Modifié par MortalEngines, 15 avril 2012 - 07:39 .


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thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Haha. At least it's not actually complaining about complaining, otherwise this thread would be locked.


Oh they'll find cause to lock it eventually. My guess is that after about 4-5 pages of people saying:

"I agree! X Reason."
"Meh, it's too late."
"Sort of agree! Y Reason."
"YOU'RE A ****GOT!/CHILDISH!"
"Disagree! Z Reason."

They'll decide that this is a flamebait thread. Y'know, because people passively shouting jackassery into an actual discussion consitutes a flamewar. Apparently.

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Elvira the Dark wrote...

http://blogs-images....ss-effect-3.png

and they also still have the nerve to say that your decisions have a serious impact.


Well, some of them do..just not in the ending...hehehe

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Overule wrote...

*Except not really.

Would people please stop saying stuff like this? People said it about Extended Cut, people said it about the face import issue, people said it about the Resurgence Pack. But the thing is it hasn't been true, not once. If you claim that a "reprioritization" of an existing DLC plan (Extended), a broken patch, and some free multiplayer crap is what people wanted- you don't know what you're talking about. Period.

The reason people keep whining after each EA/Bioware press release is because they still have yet to address our grievances. Said grievances include:

-Day 1 DLC.
-The introduction of a new character at the last second with 0 foreshadowing.
-The complete abandonment of any pretense that our decisions have a real impact on the outcome of the story.
-The fact that you explicitely stated over and over and over that you wouldn't force space magic or deus ex machinas on us.
-The fact you're still talking incessantly about the multiplayer we didn't ask for and don't care about.
-The "unbiased" opinions of game reviewers who didn't even factor in the ending of the game into their reviews and the snide journalists who've belittled and pigeonholed us.
-YOUR PR CAMPAIGN. Literally every step you've taken from the onset has made people angrier.


Well there's a difference between whining and rambling (what usually goes on here) and well though out constructive criticism. So your title works both ways.

-DAY 1 DLC has been around for years now, hardly the time to complain about it.  While you may not agree... it was with ME2 as well and DA:0 and DA2.  Thats more of an annoyance at this point than an actual Grievance.
- that new character yeah is a problem, which ties in with the whole ending controversy, unfortunately thats a writing move we'll have to live with.
- our decisions did shape the final state of the galaxy, sure we didn't see the total scope, but hopefully the ending DLC will address some of those issues, but to say that our choices on especially Rannoch and Tuchanka dont have far reaching in universe lore consequences is a bit silly
- Space magic has been around since ME1 and you can kind of tell by the way ME1 plays out it would be involve din defeating the reapers.... I could of told you that 4 years ago.
- how is talking about MP a grievance? you may not like MP but some do and its a relatively easy addition to add too.  How is that a complaint?  MP DLC and SP DLC are two COMPLETELY different beasts.
- Unfortunately Bioware i would imagine has no control themselves over the reviews and to believe EA paid for said reviews is moving into conspiracy territory and is beyond the scope of a bioware discussion forum.
- I have no problem with their PR campaign, as I dont pay attention TO PR campaigns.

So outside of a few of those issues, what do they need to address really?  Nothing they say willa ppease those who are upset and everyone sees consipiracy theories no matter what they do.

Simple fact of the matter, like with ME1 and ME2 its not going to be universally loved... nothing is...ever.  and at some point SOMEONE will take offense to SOMETHING.  Hell there's threads that people are upset over the ending DLC taking priority over OTHER SP DLC.... so its a damned if they do damned if they dont situation.

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Vasarkian wrote...

... We wanted plotholes fixed, we stated that quite clearly and not to merely "provide closure and an epilogue".

We got epilogue and closure, which is not what we need and doesn't fix the PLOT HOLES.

We merely wanted them to do as they promised after the game went gold.

If you told me you were giving me a cuban cigar and you didn't, and for some reason I thought a reputable source because you seemed to be one, I'd expect an apology or for you to make up for your lie.

I can make better examples too.


Yeah let's ignore the real replies so we don't have to deal with them, because you know, they're irrefutable based on the exact statements of the developers and destroy your entire thread <.<.

Cue basic insults, illogical retorts, and ignorance to reality.

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Have you heard about the notion of self entitlement?

The MP plan was in place before the whole ending controversy, so don't try to enhance your argument with that.


-Day 1 DLC - what do you want EA or Bioware to do? Turn back time?
There's nothing wrong with Day 1 DLC. It's stuff that is made by separate teams, or freed teams, while the game goes out to printing. There is NOTHING wrong with Day 1 DLC.
Furthermore, even the practice of DLCs or Online Passes to "combat" second hand purchases is not wrong.

-Face Import Still Being Broken - okay, what do you want? An apology. Obviously they are working on it still. Maybe you want them to release statistics regarding how many it helped and how many it didn't? Not that you'd believe it anyway...

-The introduction of a new character at the last second with 0 foreshadowing - you mean the Kid?
Technically, it was forshadowed throughout ME3, with all those dream sequences, and the whole Citadel being the Catalyst (the Kid being it's avatar, maybe) was forshadowed since ME1!
Also, I for one would like to know who or what that Kid is. So he wasn't really introduced....
But again, what do you want? An apology? A retcon? Or more info?

-The complete abandonment of any pretense that our decisions have a real impact on the outcome of the story.
Sorry, but the whole EMS is a function of choice. Deal with it.
Was it bad implementation? There's no accounting for taste.
Could it have been done better? Sure, I think it could have. Being a Psych major I'd love to see a certain statistics involving 1st Playthrough the choice of Synthesis and the Geth/Quarians cooperation (I won't go into more detail here).
But on the whole, again, the EMS is a function of choice. Period.

-The fact that you explicitely stated over and over and over that you wouldn't force space magic or deus ex machinas on us. - While this is a valid point, what do you want? Retcon again? Apology? Your money back?

-The fact you're still talking incessantly about the multiplayer we didn't ask for and don't care about.
Speak for yourself, would you? Plenty asked for it. And no one is talking about it more than was planned anyway, with these weekend events. Again, don't try to force it into strengthening your argument.

-The "unbiased" opinions of game reviewers who didn't even factor in the ending of the game into their reviews and the snide journalists who've belittled and pigeonholed us.
So now you have proof that there were some deals made with game reviewers? Show me!

-YOUR PR CAMPAIGN. Literally every step you've taken from the onset has made people angrier.
And you want the entire PR department to come to your doorstep to kiss your feet and beg your forgiveness for taking the epitome of PR - there's no bad publicity - to heart?


Jeez...
I'm from the C&C community.
And even C&C4 didn't have this level of self entitlement.

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Vasarkian wrote...

... We wanted plotholes fixed, we stated that quite clearly and not to merely "provide closure and an epilogue".

We got epilogue and closure, which is not what we need and doesn't fix the PLOT HOLES.

We merely wanted them to do as they promised after the game went gold.

If you told me you were giving me a cuban cigar and you didn't, and for some reason I thought a reputable source because you seemed to be one, I'd expect an apology or for you to make up for your lie.

I can make better examples too.


Well Vas.... plot holes existed in all 3 games so i can overlook those.  But what I particularly wanted WAS closure.  That to me was the most GLARING omission in the end.  

I would imagine with all this talk of choices not mattering in the end... CLOSURE is what people want.  They want to see the outcome of their decisions int he aftermath of the ending no?  Thats what GOOD closure would provide.

thats what I want

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Cainne Chapel wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

... We wanted plotholes fixed, we stated that quite clearly and not to merely "provide closure and an epilogue".

We got epilogue and closure, which is not what we need and doesn't fix the PLOT HOLES.

We merely wanted them to do as they promised after the game went gold.

If you told me you were giving me a cuban cigar and you didn't, and for some reason I thought a reputable source because you seemed to be one, I'd expect an apology or for you to make up for your lie.

I can make better examples too.


Well Vas.... plot holes existed in all 3 games so i can overlook those.  But what I particularly wanted WAS closure.  That to me was the most GLARING omission in the end.  

I would imagine with all this talk of choices not mattering in the end... CLOSURE is what people want.  They want to see the outcome of their decisions int he aftermath of the ending no?  Thats what GOOD closure would provide.

thats what I want


When you have over 42 plotholes that literally make your entire game full of holes and not the nice small swiss cheese holes but HUMOGOUS imported cheeses you can't pronounce type of holes.. you can't relate that to "well they all had it".

The truth is, if you fix the holes, and you do as the developers promised AFTER the game went gold, you will fix every single issue in this game outside of bugs, because the closure will automatically be there because the ending has to be modified so as to fit the plot without plotholes that are so gigantic you could fit a horses genitals through it.

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Closure while plotholes exist would be lying to the players, because the closure would make no sense, it would not be established in continuity.

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Cypher_CS wrote...

Have you heard about the notion of self entitlement...


This is about where I stopped reading. Sorry friend, but I don't care if you think I'm emotionally mature. =(

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This community is divided on what they want. Some want more closure, others want a new ending/s. some want plot holes fixed, others want all of me3 redone...

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Your loss.

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if you counted the exact number of plotholes then sir you need another hobby!Or medical treatment hahaha!Joking but come on, most science fiction stories have huge plotholes...look at matrix.Still I think I will be happy with some closure though

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jakal66 wrote...

if you counted the exact number of plotholes then sir you need another hobby!Or medical treatment hahaha!Joking but come on, most science fiction stories have huge plotholes...look at matrix.Still I think I will be happy with some closure though


Bad storytelling habits being old doesn't make them less bad.