jakal66 wrote...
if you counted the exact number of plotholes then sir you need another hobby!Or medical treatment hahaha!Joking but come on, most science fiction stories have huge plotholes...look at matrix.Still I think I will be happy with some closure though
wolfstanus wrote...
This community is divided on what they want. Some want more closure, others want a new ending/s. some want plot holes fixed, others want all of me3 redone...
Nothing to do with changing/fixing the actual ending of the game. Ohh and MetaCritic User Scores "0/10!!! Worst game ever" are about 10 times more biased than those from profrssional reviewers. Ohh and MP is very popular actually and people do like it, whether it suits you or not. You'll just have to deal.Overule wrote...
-Day 1 DLC.
-Face import still being broken.
-The fact you're still talking incessantly about the multiplayer we didn't ask for and don't care about.
-The "unbiased" opinions of game reviewers who didn't even factor in the
ending of the game into their reviews and the snide journalists who've
belittled and pigeonholed us.
-YOUR PR CAMPAIGN. Literally every step you've taken from the onset has made people angrier.
Nope. Vendetta blatantly foreshadows Catalyst on ThessiaOverule wrote...
-The introduction of a new character at the last second with 0 foreshadowing.
Partially valid questions, however, how do you already know they won't be addressed in EC?Overule wrote...
-The complete abandonment of any pretense that our decisions have a real impact on the outcome of the story.
-The fact that you explicitely stated over and over and over that you wouldn't force space magic or deus ex machinas on us.
Modifié par Omega2079, 15 avril 2012 - 07:18 .
Vasarkian wrote...
Cainne Chapel wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
... We wanted plotholes fixed, we stated that quite clearly and not to merely "provide closure and an epilogue".
We got epilogue and closure, which is not what we need and doesn't fix the PLOT HOLES.
We merely wanted them to do as they promised after the game went gold.
If you told me you were giving me a cuban cigar and you didn't, and for some reason I thought a reputable source because you seemed to be one, I'd expect an apology or for you to make up for your lie.
I can make better examples too.
Well Vas.... plot holes existed in all 3 games so i can overlook those. But what I particularly wanted WAS closure. That to me was the most GLARING omission in the end.
I would imagine with all this talk of choices not mattering in the end... CLOSURE is what people want. They want to see the outcome of their decisions int he aftermath of the ending no? Thats what GOOD closure would provide.
thats what I want
When you have over 42 plotholes that literally make your entire game full of holes and not the nice small swiss cheese holes but HUMOGOUS imported cheeses you can't pronounce type of holes.. you can't relate that to "well they all had it".
The truth is, if you fix the holes, and you do as the developers promised AFTER the game went gold, you will fix every single issue in this game outside of bugs, because the closure will automatically be there because the ending has to be modified so as to fit the plot without plotholes that are so gigantic you could fit a horses genitals through it.
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Closure while plotholes exist would be lying to the players, because the closure would make no sense, it would not be established in continuity.
IsaacShep wrote...
Nope. Vendetta blatantly foreshadows Catalyst on Thessia
Overule wrote...
*Except not really.
Would people please stop saying stuff like this? People said it about Extended Cut, people said it about the face import issue, people said it about the Resurgence Pack. But the thing is it hasn't been true, not once. If you claim that a "reprioritization" of an existing DLC plan (Extended), a broken patch, and some free multiplayer crap is what people wanted- you don't know what you're talking about. Period.
The reason people keep whining after each EA/Bioware press release is because they still have yet to address our grievances. Said grievances include:
-Day 1 DLC.
-Face import still being broken.
-The introduction of a new character at the last second with 0 foreshadowing.
-The complete abandonment of any pretense that our decisions have a real impact on the outcome of the story.
-The fact that you explicitely stated over and over and over that you wouldn't force space magic or deus ex machinas on us.
-The fact you're still talking incessantly about the multiplayer we didn't ask for and don't care about.
-The "unbiased" opinions of game reviewers who didn't even factor in the ending of the game into their reviews and the snide journalists who've belittled and pigeonholed us.
-YOUR PR CAMPAIGN. Literally every step you've taken from the onset has made people angrier.
Cainne Chapel wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
Cainne Chapel wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
... We wanted plotholes fixed, we stated that quite clearly and not to merely "provide closure and an epilogue".
We got epilogue and closure, which is not what we need and doesn't fix the PLOT HOLES.
We merely wanted them to do as they promised after the game went gold.
If you told me you were giving me a cuban cigar and you didn't, and for some reason I thought a reputable source because you seemed to be one, I'd expect an apology or for you to make up for your lie.
I can make better examples too.
Well Vas.... plot holes existed in all 3 games so i can overlook those. But what I particularly wanted WAS closure. That to me was the most GLARING omission in the end.
I would imagine with all this talk of choices not mattering in the end... CLOSURE is what people want. They want to see the outcome of their decisions int he aftermath of the ending no? Thats what GOOD closure would provide.
thats what I want
When you have over 42 plotholes that literally make your entire game full of holes and not the nice small swiss cheese holes but HUMOGOUS imported cheeses you can't pronounce type of holes.. you can't relate that to "well they all had it".
The truth is, if you fix the holes, and you do as the developers promised AFTER the game went gold, you will fix every single issue in this game outside of bugs, because the closure will automatically be there because the ending has to be modified so as to fit the plot without plotholes that are so gigantic you could fit a horses genitals through it.
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Closure while plotholes exist would be lying to the players, because the closure would make no sense, it would not be established in continuity.
well i cant even think of GIANT plot holes outside of some ending issues that really stick out to me, but i can also think of plot holes and inconsistincies that can void the entire premise of the first game too *shrug* I just overlook them.
As for Closure, there will ALWAYS be plot holes (they've existe din all 3 games mind you) so providing closure wouldn't be lying nor make no sense.
It would be a nice way to finish out the series though. As I WANT to know what happens in the aftermath.
Omega2079 wrote...
Day 1 dlc. This and multiplayer where I have to disagree with you on, op. Everything else though I agree.
It's an option. If you don't want to pay for it, you don't have to. If you don;t like it, you have the option to buy the game for less.
Would you feel the same way if the multiplayer was optional?
MortalEngines wrote...
I'm the attention seeker?
jakal66 wrote...
wolfstanus wrote...
This community is divided on what they want. Some want more closure, others want a new ending/s. some want plot holes fixed, others want all of me3 redone...
yes but the mistake is that they think their way of thinking is what everyone elses should be.That pisses me off.Particularly from the Retakers. " you like the ending" then you're stupid... pretty narrow minded if you ask me
AJRimmsey wrote...
MortalEngines wrote...
I'm the attention seeker?
nope,i meant him the OP.
everyday he picks the most contraversial topic and starts threads to cause flame wars.
they are always locked and hes back the next day posting more.
Modifié par OutlawTorn6806, 15 avril 2012 - 07:24 .
wolfstanus wrote...
Thats why I bring up the charity... When they act like that...
OutlawTorn6806 wrote...
AJRimmsey wrote...
MortalEngines wrote...
I'm the attention seeker?
nope,i meant him the OP.
everyday he picks the most contraversial topic and starts threads to cause flame wars.
they are always locked and hes back the next day posting more.
Pretty much.
And, furthermore, half the things he started his post off with today is BS. I'm going to guess he is about 17-years old. Lot of angst and a lot of time = Overule.
Guest_Imperium Alpha_*
Modifié par Imperium Alpha, 15 avril 2012 - 07:30 .
Well, closure CAN resolve plot holes.Vasarkian wrote...
... We wanted plotholes fixed, we stated that quite clearly and not to merely "provide closure and an epilogue".
We got epilogue and closure, which is not what we need and doesn't fix the PLOT HOLES.
We merely wanted them to do as they promised after the game went gold.
If you told me you were giving me a cuban cigar and you didn't, and for some reason I thought a reputable source because you seemed to be one, I'd expect an apology or for you to make up for your lie.
I can make better examples too.
Reanimated One wrote...
Omega2079 wrote...
Day 1 dlc. This and multiplayer where I have to disagree with you on, op. Everything else though I agree.
It's an option. If you don't want to pay for it, you don't have to. If you don;t like it, you have the option to buy the game for less.
Would you feel the same way if the multiplayer was optional?
I absolutely agrre that it is an extra, and if people don't want to pay for it, they don't have to. To that I ask this, how do you explain how Jahvik, when used, flows so flawlessly in the ENTIRE story. On top of that, has a full line of powers, abilites and other extras? That to me says that he was designed to have been part of the game all along, but was strategically pulled and sold for extra income.
Modifié par Omega2079, 15 avril 2012 - 07:35 .
Overule wrote...
wolfstanus wrote...
Thats why I bring up the charity... When they act like that...
But charity drives for children, cupcake spamming and polite discussion are so hard to characterize as childish! It's much easier to ignore everything people say/do and lable them deluded man-children. You oughtta know this by now
Overule wrote...
IsaacShep wrote...
Nope. Vendetta blatantly foreshadows Catalyst on Thessia
I call bull****. You cannot say that he was well foreshadowed. He's meant to be the conclusion to an epic triology.
Mentioning him in one scene in the latter half of the third installment is not appropriately setting up a twist ending for a series. It just isn't.
Reanimated One wrote...
I absolutely agrre that it is an extra, and if people don't want to pay for it, they don't have to. To that I ask this, how do you explain how Jahvik, when used, flows so flawlessly in the ENTIRE story. On top of that, has a full line of powers, abilites and other extras? That to me says that he was designed to have been part of the game all along, but was strategically pulled and sold for extra income.
Where did you got that "good amount" info from? Because of course, when speaking about thousands of people there's always black sheeps but they're usually less than 1%.wolfstanus wrote...
But a good amount of them demanded refunds then started to threaten and harass the charity and its members. Making the charity close. That's a dark stain on the retake people.
AlanC9 wrote...
What would constitute an appropriate setup for a twist ending?
wolfstanus wrote...
<Snip the Pyramid!>
I supported what they where doing... But a good amount of them demanded refunds then started to threaten and harass the charity and its members. Making the charity close. That's a dark stain on the retake people.
TreguardD wrote...
Oh! Look. It's THIS again.
http://www.joystiq.c...-with-childs-p/
Sorry.
No. No matter how it's denied, it's because Tycho didn't want to be linked with anything Anti-EA.
EA and Harmonix have both run similiar promotions.
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