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[Reanimated One]

Omega2079 wrote...

Reanimated One wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

Day 1 dlc. This and multiplayer where I have to disagree with you on, op. Everything else though I agree.

It's an option. If you don't want to pay for it, you don't have to. If you don;t like it, you have the option to buy the game for less.

Would you feel the same way if the multiplayer was optional?

I absolutely agrre that it is an extra, and if people don't want to pay for it, they don't have to. To that I ask this, how do you explain how Jahvik, when used, flows so flawlessly in the ENTIRE story. On top of that, has a full line of powers, abilites and other extras? That to me says that he was designed to have been part of the game all along, but was strategically pulled and sold for extra income.

I haven't played the dlc, so I can't say how well it intergrates into the game.

It could have been developed in parallel and planned as dlc from the beggining. It could have been removed and changed to dlc. Game designs change in development all the time. Good writing will work in either case. What matters is the product at the time I purchase it. With the way the ending has gone (I don't like it, and feel strongly about it) I'm not worried about that extra bit. If the extended cut dlc changes/explains the ending in a way I find preferable, then I'll probably buy the From Ashes dlc. I still have the option.

I'm with you all the way. My point being what EXACTLY is the point of release day DLC? Other than to milk more money from the consumer? If it was developed in parallel, then why not hold it for a later release date? It will only make your company look better, instead of looking money hungry by wanting even more the same day the base product releases. Especially when it has no bearing on the outcome of the game.

[matthewmi]

MortalEngines wrote...

Oh look, it's this thread again.

QFT

[Reanimated One]

AlanC9 wrote...

Reanimated One wrote...
I absolutely agrre that it is an extra, and if people don't want to pay for it, they don't have to. To that I ask this, how do you explain how Jahvik, when used, flows so flawlessly in the ENTIRE story. On top of that, has a full line of powers, abilites and other extras? That to me says that he was designed to have been part of the game all along, but was strategically pulled and sold for extra income.

You mean Bio actually made a DLC that was worth buying? The horror, the horror....

Well seeing as it was on the CE, I paid for it in the originall purchase price. Had I had to purchase it later, then no, it wasn't worth buying. Doesn't add much at all except about 10 minutes of gameplay.

I shouldn't be surprised that you're trolling and stirring the pot, it seems like that's the ONLY thing you do on here. God forbid you actually add something constructive to a conversation.

[Vasarkian]

Let's keep in mind that anything AJ types is suspect and so we should ignore mostly all his comments.

[Arcadian Legend]

You know what's really dumb? The whole forum infighting.

[Omega2079]

Reanimated One wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

Reanimated One wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

Day 1 dlc. This and multiplayer where I have to disagree with you on, op. Everything else though I agree.

It's an option. If you don't want to pay for it, you don't have to. If you don;t like it, you have the option to buy the game for less.

Would you feel the same way if the multiplayer was optional?

I absolutely agrre that it is an extra, and if people don't want to pay for it, they don't have to. To that I ask this, how do you explain how Jahvik, when used, flows so flawlessly in the ENTIRE story. On top of that, has a full line of powers, abilites and other extras? That to me says that he was designed to have been part of the game all along, but was strategically pulled and sold for extra income.

I haven't played the dlc, so I can't say how well it intergrates into the game.

It could have been developed in parallel and planned as dlc from the beggining. It could have been removed and changed to dlc. Game designs change in development all the time. Good writing will work in either case. What matters is the product at the time I purchase it. With the way the ending has gone (I don't like it, and feel strongly about it) I'm not worried about that extra bit. If the extended cut dlc changes/explains the ending in a way I find preferable, then I'll probably buy the From Ashes dlc. I still have the option.

I'm with you all the way. My point being what EXACTLY is the point of release day DLC? Other than to milk more money from the consumer? If it was developed in parallel, then why not hold it for a later release date? It will only make your company look better, instead of looking money hungry by wanting even more the same day the base product releases. Especially when it has no bearing on the outcome of the game.

Milking? I don't see it any different than the game itself. It's entertainment. They make games to make money. They'll only make money if enough people buy it. They'll only buy if they think it's worth the money.

The sooner dlc is available, the more likely there's interest in the dlc. The drop off in interest is sharp. We may have interest in the games for a long time. Most people don't.

Being money hungry: I want companies to jump through hoops for my money. That means making things I like and want to purchase.

[ObserverStatus]

Modifié par bobobo878, 15 avril 2012 - 07:55 .

[Reanimated One]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

You know what's really dumb? The whole forum infighting.

I agree considering its not really that hard for both sides of the argument to be observed without fighting. To people who love/like the current ending, good for them. I am truly happy for them because, in the end, its a game and meant for the users enjoyment. Yet there are people on here who flame the people that like the ending. 

Now there have been FAR more threads/posts from people who don't like it, and they get flamed too. I don't get it.

[Overule]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Do you need a hug OP?

Everyone needs a hug. Not from you though. =(

[Dridengx]

Overule wrote...

-The "unbiased" opinions of game reviewers who didn't even factor in the ending of the game into their reviews and the snide journalists who've belittled and pigeonholed us.

That's false. Many factored the ending, some even re-reviewed it like Game Informer but none of them are crying like you guys or dropping the score 9 pts over it.

[FlashedMyDrive]

Dridengx wrote...

Overule wrote...

-The "unbiased" opinions of game reviewers who didn't even factor in the ending of the game into their reviews and the snide journalists who've belittled and pigeonholed us.

That's false. Many factored the ending, some even re-reviewed it like Game Informer but none of them are crying like you guys or dropping the score 9 pts over it.

Anyone who gives Mass Effect 3 a 10/10 cannot be trusted to provide effective and unbiased reviews.

Modifié par FlashedMyDrive, 15 avril 2012 - 07:57 .

[LinksOcarina]

Dridengx wrote...

Overule wrote...

-The "unbiased" opinions of game reviewers who didn't even factor in the ending of the game into their reviews and the snide journalists who've belittled and pigeonholed us.

That's false. Many factored the ending, some even re-reviewed it like Game Informer but none of them are crying like you guys or dropping the score 9 pts over it.

Game Informer re-reveiwed it? I thought they gave it a 10.

Although I do agree that this sentiment that game reviewers are biased is a false one for the most part. Hell, I reviewed the game for the site I worked for and gave it an 8, and one of the two big reasons for it was due to then ending, so there you go.

[Reanimated One]

Omega2079 wrote...

Reanimated One wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

Reanimated One wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

Day 1 dlc. This and multiplayer where I have to disagree with you on, op. Everything else though I agree.

It's an option. If you don't want to pay for it, you don't have to. If you don;t like it, you have the option to buy the game for less.

Would you feel the same way if the multiplayer was optional?

I absolutely agrre that it is an extra, and if people don't want to pay for it, they don't have to. To that I ask this, how do you explain how Jahvik, when used, flows so flawlessly in the ENTIRE story. On top of that, has a full line of powers, abilites and other extras? That to me says that he was designed to have been part of the game all along, but was strategically pulled and sold for extra income.

I haven't played the dlc, so I can't say how well it intergrates into the game.

It could have been developed in parallel and planned as dlc from the beggining. It could have been removed and changed to dlc. Game designs change in development all the time. Good writing will work in either case. What matters is the product at the time I purchase it. With the way the ending has gone (I don't like it, and feel strongly about it) I'm not worried about that extra bit. If the extended cut dlc changes/explains the ending in a way I find preferable, then I'll probably buy the From Ashes dlc. I still have the option.

I'm with you all the way. My point being what EXACTLY is the point of release day DLC? Other than to milk more money from the consumer? If it was developed in parallel, then why not hold it for a later release date? It will only make your company look better, instead of looking money hungry by wanting even more the same day the base product releases. Especially when it has no bearing on the outcome of the game.

Milking? I don't see it any different than the game itself. It's entertainment. They make games to make money. They'll only make money if enough people buy it. They'll only buy if they think it's worth the money.

The sooner dlc is available, the more likely there's interest in the dlc. The drop off in interest is sharp. We may have interest in the games for a long time. Most people don't.

Being money hungry: I want companies to jump through hoops for my money. That means making things I like and want to purchase.

Ok, maybe milking wasn't the best descriptor....... the point being if it was avaialble for release day dlc, why couldn't it be included on the disc.

Modifié par Reanimated One, 15 avril 2012 - 08:00 .

[Arsenic Touch]

Dridengx wrote...

Overule wrote...

-The "unbiased" opinions of game reviewers who didn't even factor in the ending of the game into their reviews and the snide journalists who've belittled and pigeonholed us.

That's false. Many factored the ending, some even re-reviewed it like Game Informer but none of them are crying like you guys or dropping the score 9 pts over it.

Saying something doesn't it make it so, especially when there's evidence to the contrary. Majority of the "perfect" reviews were made by people that didn't even complete the game or it was so vague that you'd have no diea what they were talking about. But carry on trying to belittle people, it shows class.

[AlanC9]

Reanimated One wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Reanimated One wrote...
I absolutely agrre that it is an extra, and if people don't want to pay for it, they don't have to. To that I ask this, how do you explain how Jahvik, when used, flows so flawlessly in the ENTIRE story. On top of that, has a full line of powers, abilites and other extras? That to me says that he was designed to have been part of the game all along, but was strategically pulled and sold for extra income.

You mean Bio actually made a DLC that was worth buying? The horror, the horror....

Well seeing as it was on the CE, I paid for it in the originall purchase price. Had I had to purchase it later, then no, it wasn't worth buying. Doesn't add much at all except about 10 minutes of gameplay.

I shouldn't be surprised that you're trolling and stirring the pot, it seems like that's the ONLY thing you do on here. God forbid you actually add something constructive to a conversation.

That's what I get for putting an argument into condensed form, I guess.

Javik's well-integrated? Well, he should be. I didn't think Kasumi was worth buying because judging from Zaeed -- and I'm told she's similar -- she's got one mission and a couple of cute comments. Not worth the price. But if Javik really does change a lot of the game and makes it better, then he might be worth his price.

Generally speaking, I prefer DLCs that are worth buying to DLCs that are not worth buying. Don't you?

[jtrook]

I'm so glad we are being civil here...

[BiancoAngelo7]

completely agree w/ OP.

[LinksOcarina]

Arsenic Touch wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Overule wrote...

-The "unbiased" opinions of game reviewers who didn't even factor in the ending of the game into their reviews and the snide journalists who've belittled and pigeonholed us.

That's false. Many factored the ending, some even re-reviewed it like Game Informer but none of them are crying like you guys or dropping the score 9 pts over it.

Saying something doesn't it make it so, especially when there's evidence to the contrary. Majority of the "perfect" reviews were made by people that didn't even complete the game or it was so vague that you'd have no diea what they were talking about. But carry on trying to belittle people, it shows class.

And your proof of this is what exactly, the two guys that changed their minds via twitter a while back?

[Quintega]

Also I'd like to point out I'm sick of the ones not happy with then ending being classified as the minority. WE are the majority, only a minority of us are complaining about it. But stores where I live are saying different. people look happy when they buy it then they return it and say the ending was S***. 95% of the games bought near me have either been returned or are sitting unplayed on a shelf. If this ending isn't worth it then I'm shelving mine to. The BBB is even calling bioware out www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/04/13/bioware-falsely-advertised-mass-effect-3-says-better-business-bureau/

Modifié par Quintega, 15 avril 2012 - 08:08 .

[wolfstanus]

Because they are only paid to play for a little bit... Sometimes they get the game in a beta/demo formate. They. Ant play a game for 25+ hours then make a review that in of itself takes another day then do it again on the next game. They too are on deadlines

[Omega2079]

Reanimated One wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

Reanimated One wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

Reanimated One wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

Day 1 dlc. This and multiplayer where I have to disagree with you on, op. Everything else though I agree.

It's an option. If you don't want to pay for it, you don't have to. If you don;t like it, you have the option to buy the game for less.

Would you feel the same way if the multiplayer was optional?

I absolutely agrre that it is an extra, and if people don't want to pay for it, they don't have to. To that I ask this, how do you explain how Jahvik, when used, flows so flawlessly in the ENTIRE story. On top of that, has a full line of powers, abilites and other extras? That to me says that he was designed to have been part of the game all along, but was strategically pulled and sold for extra income.

I haven't played the dlc, so I can't say how well it intergrates into the game.

It could have been developed in parallel and planned as dlc from the beggining. It could have been removed and changed to dlc. Game designs change in development all the time. Good writing will work in either case. What matters is the product at the time I purchase it. With the way the ending has gone (I don't like it, and feel strongly about it) I'm not worried about that extra bit. If the extended cut dlc changes/explains the ending in a way I find preferable, then I'll probably buy the From Ashes dlc. I still have the option.

I'm with you all the way. My point being what EXACTLY is the point of release day DLC? Other than to milk more money from the consumer? If it was developed in parallel, then why not hold it for a later release date? It will only make your company look better, instead of looking money hungry by wanting even more the same day the base product releases. Especially when it has no bearing on the outcome of the game.

Milking? I don't see it any different than the game itself. It's entertainment. They make games to make money. They'll only make money if enough people buy it. They'll only buy if they think it's worth the money.

The sooner dlc is available, the more likely there's interest in the dlc. The drop off in interest is sharp. We may have interest in the games for a long time. Most people don't.

Being money hungry: I want companies to jump through hoops for my money. That means making things I like and want to purchase.

Ok, maybe milking wasn't the best descriptor....... the point being if it was avaialble for release day dlc, why couldn't it be included on the disc.

They make that choice. Producers are always considering costs and potential for payoff. Game development is expensive, (and without getting deep into economics), it's getting more expensive.

[LinksOcarina]

Quintega wrote...

ALso I'd like to point out I'm sick of the ones not happy with then ending being classified as the minority. WE are the majority only a minority of us are complaining about it. But stores where I live are saying different. people look happy when they buy it then they return it and say the ending was S*** And the BBB is even calling bioware out http://www.forbes.co...usiness-bureau/

The BBB is also a private company that only gives out A+ grades to those who pay for them, and lowers grade scores based on the quantity of complaints without fact checking, especially if they are in a short period of time.

As for the minority/majority thing...don't care either way. I find it hard to see it as a majority at this point because of sale numbers being around 1.3 million, and roughly 1 million of that has been vocally negative about it. Hell, most of the people I talked to around here either liked the ending, or didn't like it and wanted more closure, but never outright hatred for it. But perhaps the minority is so vocal it becomes the majority. After all, not everyone cares or follows this stuff regularly. 

[FlashedMyDrive]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Quintega wrote...

ALso I'd like to point out I'm sick of the ones not happy with then ending being classified as the minority. WE are the majority only a minority of us are complaining about it. But stores where I live are saying different. people look happy when they buy it then they return it and say the ending was S*** And the BBB is even calling bioware out http://www.forbes.co...usiness-bureau/

As for the minority/majority thing...don't care either way. I find it hard to see it as a majority at this point because of sale numbers being around 1.3 million, and roughly 1 million of that has been vocally negative about it. Hell, most of the people I talked to around here either liked the ending, or didn't like it and wanted more closure, but never outright hatred for it. But perhaps the minority is so vocal it becomes the majority. After all, not everyone cares or follows this stuff regularly. 

Sales numbers have nothing to do with how well recieved the ending was. People buy the game, play it, hate the ending. Sales numbers only take into account the original purchase, nothing more. Besides, most of those sales are the first day of release. I also have yet to meet someone in real life or off the Bioware forums that actually liked the ending, not that it proves anything.

Modifié par FlashedMyDrive, 15 avril 2012 - 08:14 .