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[DerberAuner]

Rip504 wrote...

I will let the Geth die to save the Quarians.

Geth:
Ok now explain the previous 300 years of violence. Without the word Heretic.(When did the Heretics become Heretics? 300 years ago? I doubt it.) Or argue the fact Legion is out for it's race survival. Show signs of peaceful intentions of the Geth as a whole.

What you said is true,but the Geth are not securing their survival,but rather their own extinction . As it is a known fact the Reapers are destroying all civilized life. The Geth are just procrastinating their own destruction, and are now willing to help the Reapers kill everyone else,including Quarians,Humans and every ORGANIC out their.

(Their new found "stupidity" does not justify their past,present,or the actions of the willing Heretics. IMO there is more proof leaning towards the Geth becoming extremely hostile. (if needed) 300 years ago they nearly killed the Quarian race. 300 years later the Heretics tried to help kill all Organic life. A few years later and the True Geth also decided to help kill the Quarians and all Organic life once again...)

That is why the Reaper on Rannoch states the war disproves Shepard's statement. Because it does. When the synthetics were faced with extinction,they were willing to destroy ALL ORGANIC life to survive. Proving the Starchild's statement in the "artistic trash" we got as an ending.

I get the ending. And it still sucks.

where do you get "300 years of violence"? as i recall the geth havent been seen outside the veil in 300 years (first line kaiden has in the conversation with ashley on eden prime in me1), so unless they slaughtered each other i dont hink they were violent

[Rip504]

It's as simple as this. Quarians have NEVER posed a threat to ALL ORGANIC LIFE. The Geth have done so on 2 different occasions, and killed all organics venturing into the Veil for 300 years.

So the Geth have been an enemy of not only Humanity but every race in and out of Citadel space. The Quarians have never posed this same threat.

Modifié par Rip504, 15 avril 2012 - 08:44 .

[Keatstwo]

Geth. Quarians had it coming.

[Serp86]

KingZayd wrote...

The Geth. The Quarians bring it on themselves.
I did tell them not to, but they made their choice.

If you don't upload the code, the Geth have no consciousness. The reason they "stop firing" is because there are so few of them left that their collective intelligence is about that of a two-year-old. If you upload the code, I could see how they could be considered "a people," but not uploading the code leaves them as about as sentient as a windows 7 desktop. So definitely the Quarians.

The only reason they're in that state is because you and the quarians did that to them. What you're talking about is just completing the genocide. Far better to save the Geth.

Genocide on sentient Toasters that could be rebuild with a few safeguard this time around  ....
I mean they aren't evil or anything but its they still pose a potential threat ( they have been for the whole series ) especially if the people that created them and have knowledge on how to potentially deal with them aren't around.

Legions kinda cool and everything but i never bought into the Geth are only peaceful etc for one second. Hell even Legions doesn't really do that.  They don't deserve to die if i have the choice but that doesn't mean i would kill the  Quarians or anything for them. Hell i would've saved Urz and the Varren before i saved the Geth.

Modifié par Serp86, 15 avril 2012 - 08:48 .

[Duzaman7]

If Tali hadn't committed suicide, I probably wouldn't have reloaded my save. The Geth were the superior force, and the non-emotional team that didn't fire on me while I was on a dreadnought that I could have used against the Reapers! I'm glad I punched Han' Gerrel.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Dot.Shadow wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Asharad Hett wrote...

So many people hold a grudge against the Quarrians for being aggressors.  Why don't you hold a grudge against the Geth for being aggressors throughout the first 2 games.  Why don't you hold a grudge for the Geth not trying to find a peaceful end to 400 year war with the Quarrians?  It's a 2 way street.

I blame that geth consensus mission; it's horribly and unsubtly biased and feels like you're being clubbed with a "geth symathy" stick. Anyway, thinking that any race in the ME universe being either wholly innocent or guilty is an example of black-and-white thinking that will always be false.

Pretty much. A mission showing how the Quarians have suffered would have been fitting to give perspective.

Yeah, we had that one guy we met on Rannoch (Jona's father) who told us that the Civilian Fleet didn't want the war and then died, but that was extremely brief and doesn't appear to have made much of an impact on most people. Something more substantial would have made things more equally balanced.

[DerberAuner]

Rip504 wrote...

It's as simple as this. Quarians have NEVER posed a threat to ALL ORGANIC LIFE. The Geth have done so on 2 different occasions, and killed all organics venturing into the Veil for 300 years.

So the Geth have been an enemy of not only Humanity but every race in and out of Citadel space. The Quarians have never posed this same threat.

well, i dont think we actually know if they killed them, tali tells us this in me1,  but her information may simply be wrong. we have no actual data about how many people tried to contact the geth and were killed for it. all we know for a fact, is that they defended their territory (like any organic would).

i will admit to the possibility that the geth were retconned in me 2 and 3, but the information we get in the last two games seem to be largely in favor of the geth being dosile by nature,  not violent.

[Rip504]

Also understand that the Geth hold the same meaning to the Quarians,as the Reapers mean to Humanity. Times 300 years. They tried to destroy their race and took their planet. It is easy to see the Geth as an enemy to the Quarian people.

It is also easy to see the Quarians as an enemy of the Geth.

I choose the Quarians over the Geth everyday. Some of it has to do with the blind compassion some of you have for Legion and the Geth.

Neither side is innocent IMO,but I choose the Quarians for obvious reasons. As I have stated in this thread.

Also once the Geth decided to help the Reapers,they became your(Humanity/Organics) enemy. When the Geth refused to delete the Reaper code,they became Heretics. Allowing the Reapers to dictate their evolutionary path. The exact same choice the Original Heretics made. A path Legion in ME2 state the Geth disagree with,until Rannoch in ME3...

Just my opinion based on in-game content,nothing more.

Modifié par Rip504, 15 avril 2012 - 08:52 .

[RogueFreer]

I chose geth on the simple premise that I was warning the quarians too, but if they refused to stop their attempted genocide they would pretty much get what was coming to them. I would sure as hell miss having Tali about but I couldn't let the geth suffer for the faults of the quarian race.

Worked out nicely in the end with them making peace!

[im commander shep]

Rip504 wrote...

im commander shep wrote...

This is one of, no the hardest decision in the games for me. Thank god i've never had to make it both times I played through I managed to get peace.

I could not do anything to upset my girl T, but I could not hurt the geth who have been treaded like dirt by the quarians and totally miss understood.

I guess would have to save geth, just can't stand admirals gerral and xen, Sorry Tali

Yea,so you are going to save the race whom sided with the Reapers and were willing to destroy all organic life to survive. What a tough choice.

Well its was all in the name of self presevation the reapers used them when they were weak gave them away to save themselves. It has been shown that the geth, majority of only took the path they did to try and stop themselves from being wiped out. They very quickly change there choice when they were given hope they could work peacefully with organics.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Sparatus wrote...

Quarians.

Geth don't have children.

Kind of silly how one child dying on Earth can haunt Shep's dreams, but the deaths of millions through the direct result of his own actions is apparently all just peaches and gravy.

Great, now I have another reason to hate Vent Boy. As if I didn't already have enough.

Modifié par Mr. Big Pimpin, 15 avril 2012 - 08:54 .

[CuseGirl]

UnstableMongoose wrote...

I think I'd have to go with the Geth. Ultimately, Commander Shepard has to make a decision that will give the best possible chance of defeating the Reapers. Not only are the Geth substantially stronger than the Quarians, the Quarians abandon the galaxy to the Reapers and go off to war without a second thought. Not only that, but they have no problem with ignoring the orders of one of their own admirals and insist on firing on a defenseless enemy.

The technological superiority of the Geth, as well as the moral inferiority of the Quarians, mean that the decision is fairly clear--even if it is tragic.

I have to agree with this. Quarians started 2 wars with the Geth, one of which was started after they knew the Reapers had arrived. That makes no sense at all. "Let's retake the homeworld" even tho the Reapers are eradicating whole planets. And for the Quarians to fire on a defenseless dradnought with ME on it? I can't ever forget that.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Sparatus wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...
Kind of silly how one child dying on Earth can haunt Shep's dreams, but the deaths of millions through the direct result of his own actions is apparently all just peaches and gravy.

Great, now I have another reason to hate Vent Boy. As if I didn't already have enough.

That was the first child Shepard ever saw in his/her life. Children are Mass Effect's rarest resource.

That's true; the only thing rarer are turian women.

[Lee T]

Being limited by my 21st century point of view I can't really recognize the Geth's soul/humanity. I can't empathize with them. If I had no choice I would have chosen the biological guys.

[G Kevin]

Baa Baa wrote...

I DON'T BELIEVE IN NO WIN SCENARIOS

If peace wasn't an option I would make it an option.

Genocide is wrong, no matter who the victim.

[Legiongethinator]

Geth they don't eat or drink

[Rip504]

DerberAuner wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

It's as simple as this. Quarians have NEVER posed a threat to ALL ORGANIC LIFE. The Geth have done so on 2 different occasions, and killed all organics venturing into the Veil for 300 years.

So the Geth have been an enemy of not only Humanity but every race in and out of Citadel space. The Quarians have never posed this same threat.

well, i dont think we actually know if they killed them, tali tells us this in me1,  but her information may simply be wrong. we have no actual data about how many people tried to contact the geth and were killed for it. all we know for a fact, is that they defended their territory (like any organic would).

i will admit to the possibility that the geth were retconned in me 2 and 3, but the information we get in the last two games seem to be largely in favor of the geth being dosile by nature,  not violent.

Uh My Shepard was aboard one of these Huskified ships sent back to Citadel space. An exploration team,if I'm not mistaken. It's generally understood,that any race whom have sent a ship into the Veil has been destroyed. Defend their territory? We are just curious,not hostile.(Organics)

Also The Geth were willing to help destroy all organic life on 2 separate occasions. That seems to indicate they can be very violent.

im commander shep wrote...

Well its was all in the name of
self presevation the reapers used them when they were weak gave them
away to save themselves. It has been shown that the geth, majority of
only took the path they did to try and stop themselves from being wiped
out. They very quickly change there choice when they were given hope
they could work peacefully with organics.

Did they try,or did they accept Reaper control first? For 300 years they have never tried to make peace,but accept Reaper aid twice???
This is no excuse. They were willing to kill all organic life. They sided with the Reapers. That is completely unacceptable IMO.

Also they were not securing their survival... Only that they would be one of the last destroyed by the Reapers,& only after helping the Reapers destroy all Organic life.

I will not,nor deny peace can be made,but that is not the topic of this discussion.

[G Kevin]

Rip504 wrote...

It's as simple as this. Quarians have NEVER posed a threat to ALL ORGANIC LIFE. The Geth have done so on 2 different occasions, and killed all organics venturing into the Veil for 300 years.

My biggest concern with the Geth.

Sparatus wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...
I have to agree with this. Quarians started 2 wars with the Geth, one of which was started after they knew the Reapers had arrived. That makes no sense at all. "Let's retake the homeworld" even tho the Reapers are eradicating whole planets. And for the Quarians to fire on a defenseless dradnought with ME on it? I can't ever forget that.

I think they started the attack on the geth before the Reapers attacked right? 

Anyways, is everyone forgetting that the geth spent two previous games and the current one shooting at them? Why are they so hung up on Han'Gerral trying to blow up a dreadnaught? 

 

My friends tell me they only like the Geth because of Legion.

Modifié par G Kevin, 15 avril 2012 - 09:09 .

[Rip504]

CuseGirl wrote...

UnstableMongoose wrote...

I think I'd have to go with the Geth. Ultimately, Commander Shepard has to make a decision that will give the best possible chance of defeating the Reapers. Not only are the Geth substantially stronger than the Quarians, the Quarians abandon the galaxy to the Reapers and go off to war without a second thought. Not only that, but they have no problem with ignoring the orders of one of their own admirals and insist on firing on a defenseless enemy.

The technological superiority of the Geth, as well as the moral inferiority of the Quarians, mean that the decision is fairly clear--even if it is tragic.

I have to agree with this. Quarians started 2 wars with the Geth, one of which was started after they knew the Reapers had arrived. That makes no sense at all. "Let's retake the homeworld" even tho the Reapers are eradicating whole planets. And for the Quarians to fire on a defenseless dradnought with ME on it? I can't ever forget that.

So the Geth willing to help kill all organic life to survive(twice),makes sense to you? Also the Quarians are/were kicking the Geth a**es until the Geth sided with the Reapers. So the Quarians whom created they Geth,are kicking the Geth's a**es,Have great insight into synthetic life,and the largest fleet in the galaxy are some how weaker and of less value then the Geth? I think that is just an opinion based on Bias.

[TX-Toast]

Quarians. Legion was Cool and all but I never trusted the Geth.

I care deeply about the Quarian people.

[Terrorize69]

For 300 years the Geth have attacked all organics on sight after driving away the Quarians, I didn't spend all of ME1 and 2 defending myself from Quarians.

[DerberAuner]

Rip504 wrote...

Also understand that the Geth hold the same meaning to the Quarians,as the Reapers mean to Humanity. Times 300 years. They tried to destroy their race and took their planet. It is easy to see the Geth as an enemy to the Quarian people.

It is also easy to see the Quarians as an enemy of the Geth.

I choose the Quarians over the Geth everyday. Some of it has to do with the blind compassion some of you have for Legion and the Geth.

Neither side is innocent IMO,but I choose the Quarians for obvious reasons. As I have stated in this thread.

Also once the Geth decided to help the Reapers,they became your(Humanity/Organics) enemy. When the Geth refused to delete the Reaper code,they became Heretics. Allowing the Reapers to dictate their evolutionary path. The exact same choice the Original Heretics made. A path Legion in ME2 state the Geth disagree with,until Rannoch in ME3...

Just my opinion based on in-game content,nothing more.

for the record: the geth didnt "try to destroy the quarian race" they defended themselves against quarian attack. i admit, im not sure if they actually killed helpless children. since obviously the death toll wouldve demanded dead kids, one might argue that they were in fact monsters, but, the mission on rannoch with legion makes it pretty clear that the geth did not want to destroy the entire quarian race.
i agree though, in that its easy to sympathize with the quarians, especially after me1. (me 2 and 3 are less favorable to them imho). dont get the reaper comparison i must admit. reapers werent made by humans and rebelled, they are alien invaders.

the fact that they held rannoch doesnt do much for me, they fought for their survival and won, i wouldnt apologize for winning either. also, if you actually broker peace between those two factions, both geth and quarians live on rannnoch. i dont think they really cared about that world and were open for peace from the start.

the geth sided with the reapers to save themselves. again.
both times they decided to take up arms, their hands were forced by actions the quarians had taken before them. maybe im a bit tainted by watching too much star trek and liking data too much, but i dont see that big a distinction between organic and anorganic races. logically speaking, they tried to save themselves, nothing more. (based on the info we get out of me 2 and 3 mainly, me 1 is somewhat less favorable towards the geth)

i would like to know which in game content you are referring to, since most of what im reading strikes me as odd and out of place.