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[Serp86]

Sparatus wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...
I have to agree with this. Quarians started 2 wars with the Geth, one of which was started after they knew the Reapers had arrived. That makes no sense at all. "Let's retake the homeworld" even tho the Reapers are eradicating whole planets. And for the Quarians to fire on a defenseless dradnought with ME on it? I can't ever forget that.

I think they started the attack on the geth before the Reapers attacked right? 

Anyways, is everyone forgetting that the geth spent two previous games and the current one shooting at them? Why are they so hung up on Han'Gerral trying to blow up a dreadnaught? The quarians only tried to kill me once!

Every other species has tried it like, a billion times at this point. It's a like a fine now.

Funny thing though if there was a choice to blow up that thing or not i would've taken it. Hell if the Admiral warned me before hand i would've been fine with it as well.

[Duzaman7]

Sparatus wrote...

Quarians.

Geth don't have children.

Duzaman7 wrote...

If Tali hadn't committed suicide, I
probably wouldn't have reloaded my save. The Geth were the superior
force, and the non-emotional team that didn't fire on me while I was on a
dreadnought that I could have used against the Reapers! I'm glad I
punched Han' Gerrel.

I actually think geth are worth less points than the Migrant Fleet.

In my mind they were. They had Reaper Code, and were beating back the Quarian's until you got there. Plus the Quarian's and their children drew first blood, then 2nd blood, and then fired at the ship I was on that could have been repurposed for Reaper Warfare. Just my opinion. 

[Gterror2]

Geth, if you look it as tactical advantage

[KingZayd]

Serp86 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

The Geth. The Quarians bring it on themselves.
I did tell them not to, but they made their choice.

If you don't upload the code, the Geth have no consciousness. The reason they "stop firing" is because there are so few of them left that their collective intelligence is about that of a two-year-old. If you upload the code, I could see how they could be considered "a people," but not uploading the code leaves them as about as sentient as a windows 7 desktop. So definitely the Quarians.

The only reason they're in that state is because you and the quarians did that to them. What you're talking about is just completing the genocide. Far better to save the Geth.

Genocide on sentient Toasters that could be rebuild with a few safeguard this time around  ....
I mean they aren't evil or anything but its they still pose a potential threat ( they have been for the whole series ) especially if the people that created them and have knowledge on how to potentially deal with them aren't around.

Legions kinda cool and everything but i never bought into the Geth are only peaceful etc for one second. Hell even Legions doesn't really do that.  They don't deserve to die if i have the choice but that doesn't mean i would kill the  Quarians or anything for them. Hell i would've saved Urz and the Varren before i saved the Geth.

I trust the Quarians even less. They shot at me, after i saved their asses.  and before i saved their asses from the reapers (oh wait..).

[pharsti]

That would depend on which Shepard i would be playing as, but based on the only one i did, Quarians, actually, of my 5 Shepards, only the one who simply thinks about results would choose the Geth, theyre a better asset as far as the war against the reapers go, but thats it, every other one of my Shepards would have saved the Quarians.

[G Kevin]

Sparatus wrote...

G Kevin wrote...
My friends tell me they only like the Geth because of Legion.

A lot of people side with the quarians because of Tali too. Not a big deal, honestly. Everyone has their favorites.

Though I like the quarians because they have the most background info of all the species.

Not only that, I side with the Quarians more because they are more relatable to me. Their culture and how their sort of viewed in the galaxy.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

I'm starting to think that Bioware carefully orchestrated this to ensure a 50/50 fan split.

[TX-Toast]

Lee T wrote...

Being limited by my 21st century point of view I can't really recognize the Geth's soul/humanity. I can't empathize with them. If I had no choice I would have chosen the biological guys.

My thoughts exactly.

[Vigil_N7]

Not sure I could handle losing both Tali and Legion, nor could I see my shepard shooting legion.

It'd be such a difficult choice to make

[TX-Toast]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

I'm starting to think that Bioware carefully orchestrated this to ensure a 50/50 fan split.

I played a Mage that sided with the Templars. 

[77boy84]

I chose the Geth, and I'd choose them again if I bungled a new playthrough and couldn't get peace.

The Quarians made their choice. Shepard tells them specifically not to go to war because we'll need everyone together, and what do they do? Go to war to take back a planet that they don't even deserve. Then, when their second war of aggression goes south, they cry to Shepard for help, and start FIRING on the ship he's on when he's helping.

It's really not a hard choice.

[DerberAuner]

Rip504 wrote...

Uh My Shepard was aboard one of these Huskified ships sent back to Citadel space. An exploration team,if I'm not mistaken. It's generally understood,that any race whom have sent a ship into the Veil has been destroyed. Defend their territory? We are just curious,not hostile.(Organics)

Also The Geth were willing to help destroy all organic life on 2 separate occasions. That seems to indicate they can be very violent.

one might argue, this was done by geth heretics, since these were already present at the time.
im getting the distinct feeling, that were disagreeing on what information to emphasize (you seem to prefer the me1 info, whereas i am leaning towards me 2 and 3).
like i said earlier, one might argue that the geth were retconned in me2 and 3, in which case i think you cant take anything you get from me1 without examining it in the new context given through me2 and 3.

Modifié par DerberAuner, 15 avril 2012 - 09:17 .

[Serp86]

KingZayd wrote...

Serp86 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

The Geth. The Quarians bring it on themselves.
I did tell them not to, but they made their choice.

If you don't upload the code, the Geth have no consciousness. The reason they "stop firing" is because there are so few of them left that their collective intelligence is about that of a two-year-old. If you upload the code, I could see how they could be considered "a people," but not uploading the code leaves them as about as sentient as a windows 7 desktop. So definitely the Quarians.

The only reason they're in that state is because you and the quarians did that to them. What you're talking about is just completing the genocide. Far better to save the Geth.

Genocide on sentient Toasters that could be rebuild with a few safeguard this time around  ....
I mean they aren't evil or anything but its they still pose a potential threat ( they have been for the whole series ) especially if the people that created them and have knowledge on how to potentially deal with them aren't around.

Legions kinda cool and everything but i never bought into the Geth are only peaceful etc for one second. Hell even Legions doesn't really do that.  They don't deserve to die if i have the choice but that doesn't mean i would kill the  Quarians or anything for them. Hell i would've saved Urz and the Varren before i saved the Geth.

I trust the Quarians even less. They shot at me, after i saved their asses.  and before i saved their asses from the reapers (oh wait..).

To be perfectly honest destroying the Dreadnought is the right call. I would've done so myself , i would've even ordered them to do so . Not talking to me about it though kinda sucked ...

Other than that did i ever fight any Quarians anywhere ? Don't think so. And those guys also will not side with the Reapers if something goes sideway. Which the Geth did twice ( first time only part of them but still ) .

I mean whats next they don't like the Turians/Krogan after everything is over and see them as potential threat ? Do i have to decide again who to save then ?

I personally think siding with the Geth and killing the Quarians is like curing the Genophage with Wreav at the helm  without Eve.

Thats just asking for trouble. Everybody needs somebody to keep them in check. For the Geth its the Quarians .

Modifié par Serp86, 15 avril 2012 - 09:21 .

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Sparatus wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

I'm starting to think that Bioware carefully orchestrated this to ensure a 50/50 fan split.

At least it's better handled than the Mage/Templar thing. Both sides actually have good and bad points that are explained well.

Indeed; the whole pro-Templar side of DA2 seemed to consist of "let's throw endless streams of blood mages at you, and kill your mother with one for good measure".

And don't even get me started on Orsino's derpy endgame move.

Modifié par Mr. Big Pimpin, 15 avril 2012 - 09:20 .

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Vigil_N7 wrote...

Not sure I could handle losing both Tali and Legion, nor could I see my shepard shooting legion.

Shooting Legion is an interrupt. You are in no way forced to do it.

[goose2989]

my Aim is True wrote...

Geth, every Quarian except Tali and Kal Regar suck. I would side with the Geth, then wrestle Tali down before she could commit suicide. Dr. Chakwas could give her Prozac and Vallium and lots of other yummy pills until she was over it.

Ha!

[DazenCobalt17]

Sorry Geth but I can't lose Tali. I'm not even romancing her

[DerberAuner]

Rip504 wrote...

Also The Geth were willing to help destroy all organic life on 2 separate occasions. That seems to indicate they can be very violent.

again with this "tried to destroy" crap. i dont know where you get this.
which 2 occasions? the morning war? that was self defense, and they actually stopped chasing the quarians 40 klicks past rannoch (mission in the geth consensus), so i dont think they tried to destroy them, they easily couldve done that if they had wanted to if you ask me.
souvereigns attack? geth heretics, a separate movement of the geth, not representative of the entire people.
the war for rannoch in me 3? quarians attacked, geth defended themselves. its not their fault if the quarians are so hell bent on killing them instead of giving peace a chance.

Modifié par DerberAuner, 15 avril 2012 - 09:23 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Not this again....

If you assembled a geth from parts and activated it out of range of other geth it wouldn't even be sapient. It is a machine. It is a tool created for doing a particular task. When they network they gain the ability to do more complex tasks. When there got to me enough of them they asked those questions. That's when the Quarians tried to deactivate them. They essentially were turning off their tools. Their tools rebelled.

Some Quarians apparently thought that their Geth were people. Just like some people think that animals are people. This is the parallel. They essentially Quarianthropomorphized the Geth.

The Quarians wanted their homeworld back. If humans were driven from Earth we'd want Earth back. When we had the technological advantage we'd do it. That's what Xen and Tali's father were working on. Giving the Quarians that technological advantage.

So this either/or scenario was the case in my first play. Definitely I'd side with the Quarians every time if that were the case. Fry the toasters. I don't trust what the evolved Geth would be like if they were to survive the Reaper war either, being true AI would they be able to write their own code and as such would they eventually overrun the galaxy? Legion was an example of such a problem -- he was capable of deceit, lying, and essentially proving he was no different better than organics.

The difference between organics and synthetics is that organics die. Synthetics have parts replaced. Legion cannot be allowed to upload the Reaper code.

Hmmmm... does anyone know what happens if you don't activate Legion in ME2 but do not sell it to Cerberus? Or don't do its loyalty mission and he gets killed.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 15 avril 2012 - 09:26 .

[Siibi]

Geth.
I'm not going to kill them for defending themselves.