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[Serp86]

DerberAuner wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Also The Geth were willing to help destroy all organic life on 2 separate occasions. That seems to indicate they can be very violent.

again with this "tried to destroy" crap. i dont know where you get this.
which 2 occasions? the morning war? that was self defense, and they actually stopped chasing the quarians 40 klicks past rannoch (mission in the geth consensus), so i dont think they tried to destroy them, they easily couldve done that if they had wanted to if you ask me.
souvereigns attack? geth heretics, a separate movement of the geth, not representative of the entire people.
the war for rannoch in me 3? quarians attacked, geth defended themselves. its not their fault if the quarians are so hell bent on killing them instead of giving peace a chance.

SIding with the Reapers is just as bad as starting a War . Hell probably even worse since its strenghtens the enemies of just about everything.

My Shepard re-wrote the Heretics i deserve to at least know whats going on before this. I acted in good faith and this is how i get re-payed ? Way to betray my trust in you guys.

With the Quarian Admirals i at least kinda knew this was going to happen but this Reaper stuff just came out of nowhere. I mean they willingly did become my enemy ( they did ) thats just asking it .

I don't care if you face extinction , there's a line for everything and that def. crossed it.

Modifié par Serp86, 15 avril 2012 - 09:32 .

[Blooddrunk1004]

Geth
More advanced, better ships, weapons and technology.
It's funny how people are choosing Quarians just because they don't want too see Tali commiting suicide LOL.

[Rip504]

DerberAuner wrote..
dont get the reaper comparison i must admit. reapers werent made by humans and rebelled, they are alien invaders.

the fact that they held rannoch doesnt do much for me, they fought for their survival and won, i wouldnt apologize for winning either.

the geth sided with the reapers to save themselves. again.
both times they decided to take up arms, their hands were forced by actions the quarians had taken before them.  but i dont see that big a distinction between organic and anorganic races. logically speaking, they tried to save themselves, nothing more. (based on the info we get out of me 2 and 3 mainly, me 1 is somewhat less favorable towards the geth)

i would like to know which in game content you are referring to, since most of what im reading strikes me as odd and out of place.

Edited to answer you questions and save space.

Agreed the Reapers are Alien invaders and the Geth are not,but the Geth have taken the Homeworld and killed billions. The Reapers have taken Earth(Take Back Earth) and killed billions. See the similarities?

Yes the Geth won,and NEVER attempted peace,but have killed countless organics. I agree no need to apologize... Peace is not the topic of discussion here.

Siding with the Reapers should not be justifiable. Some have thought angels spoke to them. The reasons for doing something completely unjustifiable do not matter much. They are going to help the Reapers kill all organic life,then be killed by the Reapers toward the end of the cycle. Survival you say? Where do you see that? Justifying the murder of Billions,and all organic life... Ok. Also when I say twice,I am speaking of the Heretics who chose of their own free will to follow the Reapers. Heretics were indoctrinated by the Reaper code only after willing joining the Reapers. The True Geth do the exact same thing in ME3. So if Heretics are wrong,then so are the true Geth.IMO

Also I am not separating Organic and Synthetic life. They are both sentient lifeforms. I am basing my judgement on in game content,be it side missions,main missions,loyalty missions,or just plain old codex.

The Geth siding with the Reapers,proves the Starchild's statement. Even if you make Peace. Those upset with the endings,should hold the Geth accountable for it... LOL

Just to be clear, I make peace. I give the Geth the benefit of the doubt,but if peace was out of the question... As is the Topic discussion. I choose the Quarians for the reasons I have stated. Also the destroy ending holds no tough choice for me,as I see the Geth as a potential threat to organic life. EDI.. O well.
And no I do not like the endings. I am somewhat indifferent,and would love to see this so called "clarification" to their "artistic trash".

[Carlthestrange]

I'm like Captain Kirk. For me, there is no such thing as a no-win scenario. Always take the impossible route. It usually works.

[LastFadingSmile]

Tough question, but I would probably still side with the Quarians.

Legion was an interesting addition to the game and added a much-needed alternate perspective. I would be lying if I said that viewing the past data about the origin of the Geth-Quarian conflict didn't colour my opinion on the Quarians significantly. That said, I ultimately I have a hard time trusting the Geth. Even all the way through the Rannoch missions, I found myself anticipating his/their betrayal. It's not a good reason for condemning them, but in the hypothetical situation where I had to make the call...blegh.

[Denethar]

Baa Baa wrote...

I DON'T BELIEVE IN NO WIN SCENARIOS

But you finished the game...right?

[Terrorize69]

Ha would be funny if those that sided with the Geth, only for the Reapers to control them during the final battle and have them turn on you, lol bet you'd wish you sided with the Quarians then.

Modifié par Terrorize69, 15 avril 2012 - 09:35 .

[Chrillze]

The Geth because they have stronger ships and will be more usefull when I'm taking back earth

[His Name was HYR!!]

I don't sympathize for the geth but I'll go realpolitik and take the stronger army, which I believe would be theirs.

[G Kevin]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

Geth
More advanced, better ships, weapons and technology.
It's funny how people are choosing Quarians just because they don't want too see Tali commiting suicide LOL.

...and reaper code.

[CuseGirl]

Rip504 wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

UnstableMongoose wrote...

I think I'd have to go with the Geth. Ultimately, Commander Shepard has to make a decision that will give the best possible chance of defeating the Reapers. Not only are the Geth substantially stronger than the Quarians, the Quarians abandon the galaxy to the Reapers and go off to war without a second thought. Not only that, but they have no problem with ignoring the orders of one of their own admirals and insist on firing on a defenseless enemy.

The technological superiority of the Geth, as well as the moral inferiority of the Quarians, mean that the decision is fairly clear--even if it is tragic.

I have to agree with this. Quarians started 2 wars with the Geth, one of which was started after they knew the Reapers had arrived. That makes no sense at all. "Let's retake the homeworld" even tho the Reapers are eradicating whole planets. And for the Quarians to fire on a defenseless dradnought with ME on it? I can't ever forget that.

So the Geth willing to help kill all organic life to survive(twice),makes sense to you? Also the Quarians are/were kicking the Geth a**es until the Geth sided with the Reapers. So the Quarians whom created they Geth,are kicking the Geth's a**es,Have great insight into synthetic life,and the largest fleet in the galaxy are some how weaker and of less value then the Geth? I think that is just an opinion based on Bias.

Geth have more upside as a military force, if that's what you mean. But from a social standpoint, the Geth were definitely more willing to compromise when asked upfront. The Quarians, in my opinion, aren't trustworthy. And I know they're aren't trustworthy because they have too many dissenting opinions, they armed liveships, and they were foolishly and childishly trying to retake their homeworld while the galaxy's biggest threat was upon us.

[J0HNL3I]

Geth the Quarians are ****ing idiots

[G Kevin]

CuseGirl wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

UnstableMongoose wrote...

I think I'd have to go with the Geth. Ultimately, Commander Shepard has to make a decision that will give the best possible chance of defeating the Reapers. Not only are the Geth substantially stronger than the Quarians, the Quarians abandon the galaxy to the Reapers and go off to war without a second thought. Not only that, but they have no problem with ignoring the orders of one of their own admirals and insist on firing on a defenseless enemy.

The technological superiority of the Geth, as well as the moral inferiority of the Quarians, mean that the decision is fairly clear--even if it is tragic.

I have to agree with this. Quarians started 2 wars with the Geth, one of which was started after they knew the Reapers had arrived. That makes no sense at all. "Let's retake the homeworld" even tho the Reapers are eradicating whole planets. And for the Quarians to fire on a defenseless dradnought with ME on it? I can't ever forget that.

So the Geth willing to help kill all organic life to survive(twice),makes sense to you? Also the Quarians are/were kicking the Geth a**es until the Geth sided with the Reapers. So the Quarians whom created they Geth,are kicking the Geth's a**es,Have great insight into synthetic life,and the largest fleet in the galaxy are some how weaker and of less value then the Geth? I think that is just an opinion based on Bias.

Geth have more upside as a military force, if that's what you mean. But from a social standpoint, the Geth were definitely more willing to compromise when asked upfront. The Quarians, in my opinion, aren't trustworthy. And I know they're aren't trustworthy because they have too many dissenting opinions, they armed liveships, and they were foolishly and childishly trying to retake their homeworld while the galaxy's biggest threat was upon us.

Well, the council didn't really do jack squat when the galaxy's biggest threat came to their doorstep.

[Serp86]

CuseGirl wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

UnstableMongoose wrote...

I think I'd have to go with the Geth. Ultimately, Commander Shepard has to make a decision that will give the best possible chance of defeating the Reapers. Not only are the Geth substantially stronger than the Quarians, the Quarians abandon the galaxy to the Reapers and go off to war without a second thought. Not only that, but they have no problem with ignoring the orders of one of their own admirals and insist on firing on a defenseless enemy.

The technological superiority of the Geth, as well as the moral inferiority of the Quarians, mean that the decision is fairly clear--even if it is tragic.

I have to agree with this. Quarians started 2 wars with the Geth, one of which was started after they knew the Reapers had arrived. That makes no sense at all. "Let's retake the homeworld" even tho the Reapers are eradicating whole planets. And for the Quarians to fire on a defenseless dradnought with ME on it? I can't ever forget that.

So the Geth willing to help kill all organic life to survive(twice),makes sense to you? Also the Quarians are/were kicking the Geth a**es until the Geth sided with the Reapers. So the Quarians whom created they Geth,are kicking the Geth's a**es,Have great insight into synthetic life,and the largest fleet in the galaxy are some how weaker and of less value then the Geth? I think that is just an opinion based on Bias.

Geth have more upside as a military force, if that's what you mean. But from a social standpoint, the Geth were definitely more willing to compromise when asked upfront. The Quarians, in my opinion, aren't trustworthy. And I know they're aren't trustworthy because they have too many dissenting opinions, they armed liveships, and they were foolishly and childishly trying to retake their homeworld while the galaxy's biggest threat was upon us.

Not sure about that though because before ME3 nobody believed in the Reapers .... I mean they started it before the Reapers arrived only to get a Wrench thrown into it by them arriving.

[Rip504]

Also just ask yourself: What is the Reapers main goal? To destroy civilized life. Now the Geth are willing to help them. Aid and Allies. If you do not see that as the Geth willing to destroy all Organic life to survive(Exactly what Starchild states.),I think you are letting Bias cloud your judgment. Since the Geth and Reapers are the only Synthetic races in the galaxy. Then at the end of the cycle the Reapers will kill the Geth. So siding with the Reapers to postpone their own destruction, while they kill all life is "ok","cause the Quarians shot first"???? Really???.

Modifié par Rip504, 15 avril 2012 - 09:42 .

[goofyomnivore]

Quarians. Geth were losing until they got upgraded. Might as well not risk the Geth getting the "Reapers are cool" ideas again.

[KingZayd]

Serp86 wrote...

To be perfectly honest destroying the Dreadnought is the right call. I would've done so myself , i would've even ordered them to do so . Not talking to me about it though kinda sucked ...

The Dreadnought was deactivated as a show of good faith. Strategically it makes sense for their war (which they shouldn't have started either. but then so does not helping the side that shoots at you even when you're helping them(screw you Quarians!).

Serp86 wrote...
Other than that did i ever fight any Quarians anywhere ? Don't think so. And those guys also will not side with the Reapers if something goes sideway. Which the Geth did twice ( first time only part of them but still ).

To be honest, if the game let me, and if the Geth hadn't taken the Reapers' help, I would have started fighting the quarians. The Geth did what they had to, to survive. The only friend they had in the galaxy was me.. ish (through legion but seriously though, they should have called. I would have helped). If organics seem intent on destroying them, why wouldn't the Geth side against them? 
to translate: if a robotic nation (let's say the Geth) was annhilating your people, would you seriously not consider the help of those anti-synthetics (Quarians for example.. just less incompetent)

Serp86 wrote...
I mean whats next they don't like the Turians/Krogan after everything is over and see them as potential threat ? Do i have to decide again who to save then ?

Then i would kill the geth. Do i need to remind you it was the Quarians who decided they didn't like the Geth during the Morning War? The Geth let them go, but then the Quarians insist on starting another stupid war. I would let the Quarians go another time, but if they refuse then they die.

Serp86 wrote...
I personally think siding with the Geth and killing the Quarians is like curing the Genophage with Wreav at the helm  without Eve.

Thats just asking for trouble. Everybody needs somebody to keep them in check. For the Geth its the Quarians .

From what i see, the Geth were doing just fine on their own until the reapers came. but then, it's not as if the reapers haven't corrupted any other race we've seen (except the quarians oddly enough.. but they already suck). The Quarians were doing quite well actually, and then they decided to start a stupid war WHEN THE REAPERS ARE COMING! the way i see it, the Quarians need the Geth to keep them in check.

[G Kevin]

strive wrote...

Quarians. Geth were losing until they got upgraded. Might as well not risk the Geth getting the "Reapers are cool" ideas again.

Maybe the Geth would have been the new "collectors."

KingZayd wrote...

From what i see, the Geth were doing just fine on their own until the reapers came. but then, it's not as if the reapers haven't corrupted any other race we've seen (except the quarians oddly enough.. but they already suck). The Quarians were doing quite well actually, and then they decided to start a stupid war WHEN THE REAPERS ARE COMING! the way i see it, the Quarians need the Geth to keep them in check.

 

Didn't everyone in the galaxy pretty much ignore the reapers until they attacked their homeworlds? From what I can remember, the Quarians started fighting before the reapers attacked anyone.

Modifié par G Kevin, 15 avril 2012 - 09:45 .

[Deuterium_Dawn]

Probably the Quarians. They panicked when the Geth awoke and did some dumb things, then centuries later acted on old biases based on inaccurate information and the desperate desire to finally see home again. As much as I like the Geth, as much as Bioware goes out of their way to hit us over the head with "they're peaceful" they're still just machines. If you do side with the Quarians, they're not even really sapient.

And to be honest I was really nervous about letting Legion upload that code(I managed to get peace). Bad things happen when you mess with Reaper tech. We've literally just seen this moments before. Now Legion, who applauds you for refusing to even try to learn from Reaper tech in order to fight them, is all on board with uploading their code into their people and is absolutely sure he can control it. Because we've never heard that before.

Modifié par Deuterium_Dawn, 15 avril 2012 - 09:47 .

[DerberAuner]

Rip504 wrote...

Edited to answer you questions and save space.

Agreed the Reapers are Alien invaders and the Geth are not,but the Geth have taken the Homeworld and killed billions. The Reapers have taken Earth(Take Back Earth) and killed billions. See the similarities?

Yes the Geth won,and NEVER attempted peace,but have killed countless organics. I agree no need to apologize... Peace is not the topic of discussion here.

Siding with the Reapers should not be justifiable. Some have thought angels spoke to them. The reasons for doing something completely unjustifiable do not matter much. They are going to help the Reapers kill all organic life,then be killed by the Reapers toward the end of the cycle. Survival you say? Where do you see that? Justifying the murder of Billions,and all organic life... Ok. Also when I say twice,I am speaking of the Heretics who chose of their own free will to follow the Reapers. Heretics were indoctrinated by the Reaper code only after willing joining the Reapers. The True Geth do the exact same thing in ME3. So if Heretics are wrong,then so are the true Geth.IMO

Also I am not separating Organic and Synthetic life. They are both sentient lifeforms. I am basing my judgement on in game content,be it side missions,main missions,loyalty missions,or just plain old codex.

The Geth siding with the Reapers,proves the Starchild's statement. Even if you make Peace. Those upset with the endings,should hold the Geth accountable for it... LOL

Just to be clear, I make peace. I give the Geth the benefit of the doubt,but if peace was out of the question... As is the Topic discussion. I choose the Quarians for the reasons I have stated. Also the destroy ending holds no tough choice for me,as I see the Geth as a potential threat to organic life. EDI.. O well.
And no I do not like the endings. I am somewhat indifferent,and would love to see this so called "clarification" to their "artistic trash".

on the whole twice thing:


the whole heretics thing is something i dont think you can take as evidence, they were a minority of geth (stated so by shepard after the mission on rannoch if you do the stupid interview with allers and made peace (maybe in other cases too, but i never didnt make peace)).
like a minority of humans who work for cerberus, cant exactly name this as evidence on an entire species.


"survival" and the siding with reapers in me3 :


ok, heres the deal a lot of people seem to be forgetting:

the geth didnt side with the reapers because they wanted to  destroy organics (not counting the hertics for now)
they sided with them to save themselves. the quarians would have killed them all (as evidenced by one of the outcomes of the rannoch mission). self preservation is a natural instinct even organics share. they didnt want to be hunted to extinction, who would? i am not saying the action is defensible, i am saying it is understandable. also, the geth abandon the reapers if you side with them.
all they wanted was to live. the quarians forced them to choose between a deal with the devil and extinction. and im betting, that humans, asari, turians, rachni and whoever else you can think of would choose the deal with the devil anytime.


to your ending comment: i chose destruction as well, can live to some degree with the geth being obliterated and edi being killed. what i dont like about this is the idea that the machine uprising is displayed as inevitable and cannot be challenged, but i guess ill make due with what theyll deliver in the summer.


EDIT to answer your next post:

im not sure they wouldve followed through on the whole extinction of all organic life thing, but if they would have, then they simply judged subjugation preferable to destruction, which i can sympathize with.
when youre life is on the line, you dont think as far ahead. also i dont think the geth considered they would be destroyed by the reapers as well.


i think the quarians are solely to blame in this scenario and theres no way around that.

that being said, i wouldve destroyed the geth before the quarians and make the quarians pay by sending them to the fronlines and using them as shock troops (taking heavy casualties)

Modifié par DerberAuner, 15 avril 2012 - 09:53 .

[Rip504]

G Kevin wrote...

strive wrote...

Quarians. Geth were losing until they got upgraded. Might as well not risk the Geth getting the "Reapers are cool" ideas again.

Maybe the Geth would have been the new "collectors."

That is their goal when siding with the Reapers,although the Starchild is anti-synthetic oddly enough,and may see the Geth as a threat and destroy them. As this is what the cycle is about. Geth survival is not nor was ever an option in ME3. Just another epic fail in ME3.

Modifié par Rip504, 15 avril 2012 - 10:01 .

[kalasaurus]

If I HAD to choose? Oh man...

I guess I'd pick the Geth. Sorry, Tali.

[Carlthestrange]

Denethar wrote...

But you finished the game...right?

Only once. Nearly threw my controller at the screen.