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[Xaltar81]

If its the system enderandrew posted then yes, you are using DDR2. Its an ASUS motherboard so it would be wise to check out its RAM comatability chart. I often use ASUS and the only real problem I have had with them is RAM incompatibility.



The graphics card I linked should work fine. As for the RAM, if you have an HP dealer near by then get the ram upgraded by them. If memory serves HP replacement parts are really cheap and they will work because they are tested with HP products extensively.

[Hunhaar]

Hello everyone,



I have laptop so no upgrade for me for the forseeable future but I really want to play the game. my system is:



Intel core duo t8300 2.40ghz x2

3 gb ram

ati radeon hd 3650

vista



I will really apretiate any responses.... Thanks in advance!

[Gorath Alpha]

Hunhaar wrote...

Hello everyone,

I have laptop so no upgrade for me for the forseeable future but I really want to play the game. my system is:

Intel core duo t8300 2.40ghz x2
3 gb ram
ati radeon hd 3650
vista

I will really apretiate any responses.... Thanks in advance!

There are two comparatively easy, and relatively inexpensive laptop upgrades always available if you have less than 3 GBs of RAM or a Hard Disk smaller than a half a Terabyte -- memory and storage. 

Your system is in between Minimum and recommended, so Medium on everything is well within your range, assuming the producer didn't castrate the video card excessively badly (many of them will do so, because video performance is so far down on their rankings of important factors for a laptop). 

Gorath
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[Hunhaar]

Gorath Alpha wrote...

Hunhaar wrote...

Hello everyone,

I have laptop so no upgrade for me for the forseeable future but I really want to play the game. my system is:

Intel core duo t8300 2.40ghz x2
3 gb ram
ati radeon hd 3650
vista

I will really apretiate any responses.... Thanks in advance!

There are two comparatively easy, and relatively inexpensive laptop upgrades always available if you have less than 3 GBs of RAM or a Hard Disk smaller than a half a Terabyte -- memory and storage. 

Your system is in between Minimum and recommended, so Medium on everything is well within your range, assuming the producer didn't castrate the video card excessively badly (many of them will do so, because video performance is so far down on their rankings of important factors for a laptop). 

Gorath
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I can play Mass Effect well enough (turning off dynamic lights) I get lag from time to time but not so bad. I wouldnt dare to compare DOA with MA just in case.

Medium everything you say sounds good to me! I was ok with low&med combo anyway.

[Gorath Alpha]

As I recall, ME is running on a modified Unreal engine, and is poorly optimized for the PC platform.  DA: O is far more lenient about its video card requirements than ME is, although for really good performance, DA: O does ask for a lot from the CPU, undoubtedly more than ME does. 

Gorath
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[The Interloper]

enderandrew wrote...

I'm trying to figure out what computer you have. I'm not finding a a170n anywhere. Neither of these look right.

Here are the specs for an HP a170.uk : http://h10032.www1.h...al/bph08284.pdf

Here are the motherboard specs for an HP a1700n: http://h10025.www1.h...product=3339286

If I knew for sure what computer you had, I could link you to what RAM specifically to buy.

Sorry, typo. I menat a1730n.

Heres the official page, if that helps. I'm personally not sure where to go from here.

h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/en/ho/WF06b/12132708-12133156-12133158-12133158-12133158-12932758-78159005.html

[DeadOverlord]

Lolballs wrote...

These threads often have people exaggerating how badly it will run on an old system, bragging about their muscle systems and how you need to beg mom for an upgrade immediately.
It says in system requirements you need a dual core processor for DAO wich i do not have. Yet I've had no trouble running it with medium settings (medium quality and textures, 4x anti alias and frame buffer effects ON) on my six year old computer. Windows XP, 3,0ghz single core, ATI Radeon x1650 pro 256mb and only a puny 1,5gb ram. Framerate drops in places but not enough to make me quit playing, and believe me I'd quit if it was a huge stutterfest or graphic corruptions galore. I play few games nowadays I'm just happy as hell I can play this game without buying a new comp.

You are totaly right!

My system specs:

Processor: Inten Celeron 420 1.6Ghz, Code Name: Conroe-L (As show in CPU-Z) (This is a single-core cpu)
Memory: Generic 2GB DDR2 PC2-5300 333Mhz (As show in CPU-Z)
VGA: ECS Geforce 8600GT 256MB

I can play ALL today modern games without any problens (in low or mediun settings!)

Games i'm playing now wiht that "S H I T" system spec i have:

Dragon Age Origins
COD: Modern Warfare 2
Dininity 2
Assassins Creed 1
Batman Arkham Asylum
Dead Space
Call of Juarez Bound In Blood
Mirror's Edge

[Titius.Vibius]

DeadOverlord wrote...

Lolballs wrote...

These threads often have people exaggerating how badly it will run on an old system, bragging about their muscle systems and how you need to beg mom for an upgrade immediately.
It says in system requirements you need a dual core processor for DAO wich i do not have. Yet I've had no trouble running it with medium settings (medium quality and textures, 4x anti alias and frame buffer effects ON) on my six year old computer. Windows XP, 3,0ghz single core, ATI Radeon x1650 pro 256mb and only a puny 1,5gb ram. Framerate drops in places but not enough to make me quit playing, and believe me I'd quit if it was a huge stutterfest or graphic corruptions galore. I play few games nowadays I'm just happy as hell I can play this game without buying a new comp.

You are totaly right!

My system specs:

Processor: Inten Celeron 420 1.6Ghz, Code Name: Conroe-L (As show in CPU-Z) (This is a single-core cpu)
Memory: Generic 2GB DDR2 PC2-5300 333Mhz (As show in CPU-Z)
VGA: ECS Geforce 8600GT 256MB

I can play ALL today modern games without any problens (in low or mediun settings!)

Games i'm playing now wiht that "S H I T" system spec i have:

Dragon Age Origins
COD: Modern Warfare 2
Dininity 2
Assassins Creed 1
Batman Arkham Asylum
Dead Space
Call of Juarez Bound In Blood
Mirror's Edge

Stop lying and claiming your system can run those games you mentioned, shame on you for letting people with highend computers feel bad for buying expensive gear just to run the most current games available.

[fozfoster]

http://cyri.systemre...lab.com/srtest/

This may help. It scans your computer and gives you a pretty detailed report of what you have and if it'll meet a games' specs.

Modifié par fozfoster, 07 décembre 2009 - 11:12 .

[Gorath Alpha]

Bad idea for any but a single, incidental, reason. SR Labds' results are so inaccurate, they are a laughing stock. On the other hand, if you want a printed list of your hardware inventory (that part associated with games, anyway), why, for that it's just fine!



Gorath

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[enderandrew]

The Interloper wrote...
Sorry, typo. I menat a1730n.

Heres the official page, if that helps. I'm personally not sure where to go from here.

h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/en/ho/WF06b/12132708-12133156-12133158-12133158-12133158-12932758-78159005.html

Before you spend money, just either go into BIOS/setup, and it should tell you how many slots you have, and how many are currently taken up. Or, you just open the case and look.

If you have two sticks, but four slots, then you can add to your existing memory. But let's say instead you currently have 4 sticks of 512 MB, you may want to just throw out your old memory and get 2 sticks of 2 GB each.

It looks like your motherboard supports PC2-4200 or PC2-5300. These are speeds. Faster is obviously better..

If you're adding to what you have now, the memory will only run as fast as the slowest stick. So if you have PC2-4200 in there now, and you put some PC2-5300 sticks in, they will run at PC2-4200 speeds.

If you completely replace your existing memory, then buy the PC2-5300.

http://www.newegg.co...eValue=524:8147

That should be a NewEgg search for 2 gigs (either 2 1GB sticks, or a single 2GB stick) if PC2-4200. It looks like either way, you're paying around $50 there. The sad thing is that older, slower memory is sometimes more expensive to keep in stock. I wouldn't spend a fortune on memory.

If you can add 2 GB to your existing 2 GB, you'll be doing pretty well.

That should leave you some coin to eventually buy a new video card. I find the "sweet spot" of best performance for your dollar is often around $150 for a card. However, you can get a decent card for $50, and a pretty good card for $100. Cards always get faster and faster.

Here is a pretty good card for $57 with a $20 rebate, so $37 when all is said and done.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814121340

Here is a NewEgg search for PCI-Express video cards with atleast 1 GB of video memory, in the price range of $50-$100.

http://www.newegg.co...Value=683:20729

When picking a video card on the high end, you may need to make sure it doesn't need additional power connectors. It will usually say so on the specifications. Or just look at the picture and see if you see a big power connector on the card.

[Zarenthar]

Google

type Can I run it

profit?

[The Interloper]

enderandrew wrote...

Before you spend money, just either go into BIOS/setup, and it should tell you how many slots you have, and how many are currently taken up. Or, you just open the case and look.

If you have two sticks, but four slots, then you can add to your existing memory. But let's say instead you currently have 4 sticks of 512 MB, you may want to just throw out your old memory and get 2 sticks of 2 GB each.

It looks like your motherboard supports PC2-4200 or PC2-5300. These are speeds. Faster is obviously better..

If you're adding to what you have now, the memory will only run as fast as the slowest stick. So if you have PC2-4200 in there now, and you put some PC2-5300 sticks in, they will run at PC2-4200 speeds.

If you completely replace your existing memory, then buy the PC2-5300.

http://www.newegg.co...eValue=524:8147

That should be a NewEgg search for 2 gigs (either 2 1GB sticks, or a single 2GB stick) if PC2-4200. It looks like either way, you're paying around $50 there. The sad thing is that older, slower memory is sometimes more expensive to keep in stock. I wouldn't spend a fortune on memory.

If you can add 2 GB to your existing 2 GB, you'll be doing pretty well.

That should leave you some coin to eventually buy a new video card. I find the "sweet spot" of best performance for your dollar is often around $150 for a card. However, you can get a decent card for $50, and a pretty good card for $100. Cards always get faster and faster.

Here is a pretty good card for $57 with a $20 rebate, so $37 when all is said and done.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814121340

Here is a NewEgg search for PCI-Express video cards with atleast 1 GB of video memory, in the price range of $50-$100.

http://www.newegg.co...Value=683:20729

When picking a video card on the high end, you may need to make sure it doesn't need additional power connectors. It will usually say so on the specifications. Or just look at the picture and see if you see a big power connector on the card.

Thanks you for the help. I learned some new stuff about ram today, but Ive a few more confusions-

1. How to find what Ram type I have,  where is this BIOS setup thing? I did try a few websites, and I got my configirtion (two sticks, 1gb each) but not my model(I think it's 5300, but I'm not sure.)

2. Can anyone tell me which is more important in this case, G.card or ram? Again I may have to choose due to budget concerns, or put one off until later. So if I  just upgrade one of these(perferably RAM, its cheaper), which would be the most effective?

Again, I appreciate the assisstance.

Man, they need a real demo for this game.

[enderandrew]

The graphics card will probably be more important than RAM, but you can get RAM cheaper.



And with a graphics card, like I said, you can go as cheap as $50, or up to $150. Usually, when you spend more than $150 on a video card these days, you get diminishing returns.



When you first boot your computer, it will say something like "Hit F2 for Setup". I believe it is F2 on HP computers.



That setup screen is BIOS. It should show how many slots are being used. Or you could just open your case and physically look.



When I was looking up your computer model, it said that motherboard supports either PC2-4200 or PC2-5300, but it didn't say what HP was putting in there by default. I'm not sure if your current sticks are 4200 or 5300. Sometimes there are stickers on the sticks of memory themselves. Or you can use a free utility like CPU-Z that will tell you exactly what sticks you have in your system.

[Diviancea]

CPU - z can show you some info in regards to your memory, gives make sometimes model and speed.

However it doesn't always see custom made stuff.

http://downloads.gur...nload-1340.html



For the BIOS just hit delete when you first start up the computer, as soon as the monitor shows anything tap delete until your finger breaks through your desk.



The BIOS menu itself is something I cant help you walk through it as most manufacturers have their own menu's. However they generally look alike so perhaps if you tell us what options you have we might be able to walk yu through it,

[andysdead]

DeadOverlord wrote...

Lolballs wrote...

These threads often have people exaggerating how badly it will run on an old system, bragging about their muscle systems and how you need to beg mom for an upgrade immediately.
It says in system requirements you need a dual core processor for DAO wich i do not have. Yet I've had no trouble running it with medium settings (medium quality and textures, 4x anti alias and frame buffer effects ON) on my six year old computer. Windows XP, 3,0ghz single core, ATI Radeon x1650 pro 256mb and only a puny 1,5gb ram. Framerate drops in places but not enough to make me quit playing, and believe me I'd quit if it was a huge stutterfest or graphic corruptions galore. I play few games nowadays I'm just happy as hell I can play this game without buying a new comp.

You are totaly right!

My system specs:

Processor: Inten Celeron 420 1.6Ghz, Code Name: Conroe-L (As show in CPU-Z) (This is a single-core cpu)
Memory: Generic 2GB DDR2 PC2-5300 333Mhz (As show in CPU-Z)
VGA: ECS Geforce 8600GT 256MB

I can play ALL today modern games without any problens (in low or mediun settings!)

Games i'm playing now wiht that "S H I T" system spec i have:

Dragon Age Origins
COD: Modern Warfare 2
Dininity 2
Assassins Creed 1
Batman Arkham Asylum
Dead Space
Call of Juarez Bound In Blood
Mirror's Edge

the only reason those games even open on that system is your graphics card.

i remember i was able to play NWN2 on a system with Intel graphics, **** processor and 2 GB of RAM by hacking it to prevent a system check.

did it run fine? hell no. it ran like ****. i got maybe 2 frames per second, and practically none of the graphics rendered.

just ask yourself if that's the kind of game you'd like to play....

[andysdead]

and i'm still at a loss why this forum censures the word "sh it" but not the word "hell" and furthermore the game itself has words like "****" in the script.

[The Interloper]

enderandrew wrote...

The graphics card will probably be more important than RAM, but you can get RAM cheaper.

And with a graphics card, like I said, you can go as cheap as $50, or up to $150. Usually, when you spend more than $150 on a video card these days, you get diminishing returns.

When you first boot your computer, it will say something like "Hit F2 for Setup". I believe it is F2 on HP computers.

That setup screen is BIOS. It should show how many slots are being used. Or you could just open your case and physically look.

When I was looking up your computer model, it said that motherboard supports either PC2-4200 or PC2-5300, but it didn't say what HP was putting in there by default. I'm not sure if your current sticks are 4200 or 5300. Sometimes there are stickers on the sticks of memory themselves. Or you can use a free utility like CPU-Z that will tell you exactly what sticks you have in your system.

I tried CPU z yesterday, actually, but only got it running today. Appears the RAM is 4300.

I'll probably just buy 5300 and add it to that, as you said its cheaper then buying more 4300. Also, is there any real advantage to getting 2gb, or would just 1gb(so 3 total) be sufficient?

As for the video card, if I do get one it'll probably be a nvidia 8800 or 96/800, right now anyways.

Overall, I'm thinking to just buy and try DA, and upgrade my system if I'm dissatisfied.

Anything wrong with this preliminary plan?

Modifié par The Interloper, 09 décembre 2009 - 05:07 .

[Titius.Vibius]

Lolballs wrote...

These threads often have people exaggerating how badly it will run on an old system, bragging about their muscle systems and how you need to beg mom for an upgrade immediately.
It says in system requirements you need a dual core processor for DAO wich i do not have. Yet I've had no trouble running it with medium settings (medium quality and textures, 4x anti alias and frame buffer effects ON) on my six year old computer. Windows XP, 3,0ghz single core, ATI Radeon x1650 pro 256mb and only a puny 1,5gb ram. Framerate drops in places but not enough to make me quit playing, and believe me I'd quit if it was a huge stutterfest or graphic corruptions galore. I play few games nowadays I'm just happy as hell I can play this game without buying a new comp.

That's odd. Do you really have the game pup? Its not even registered to your profile. I suggest that your claim be stricken off since it is not verified on your profile.

[MingWolf]

andysdead wrote...

DeadOverlord wrote...

Lolballs wrote...

These threads often have people exaggerating how badly it will run on an old system, bragging about their muscle systems and how you need to beg mom for an upgrade immediately.
It says in system requirements you need a dual core processor for DAO wich i do not have. Yet I've had no trouble running it with medium settings (medium quality and textures, 4x anti alias and frame buffer effects ON) on my six year old computer. Windows XP, 3,0ghz single core, ATI Radeon x1650 pro 256mb and only a puny 1,5gb ram. Framerate drops in places but not enough to make me quit playing, and believe me I'd quit if it was a huge stutterfest or graphic corruptions galore. I play few games nowadays I'm just happy as hell I can play this game without buying a new comp.

You are totaly right!

My system specs:

Processor: Inten Celeron 420 1.6Ghz, Code Name: Conroe-L (As show in CPU-Z) (This is a single-core cpu)
Memory: Generic 2GB DDR2 PC2-5300 333Mhz (As show in CPU-Z)
VGA: ECS Geforce 8600GT 256MB

I can play ALL today modern games without any problens (in low or mediun settings!)

Games i'm playing now wiht that "S H I T" system spec i have:

Dragon Age Origins
COD: Modern Warfare 2
Dininity 2
Assassins Creed 1
Batman Arkham Asylum
Dead Space
Call of Juarez Bound In Blood
Mirror's Edge

the only reason those games even open on that system is your graphics card.

i remember i was able to play NWN2 on a system with Intel graphics, **** processor and 2 GB of RAM by hacking it to prevent a system check.

did it run fine? hell no. it ran like ****. i got maybe 2 frames per second, and practically none of the graphics rendered.

just ask yourself if that's the kind of game you'd like to play....

While it is easy to become skeptic, his claim that he can run those games on low or medium, and perhaps achieve playable framerates, is not exactly an impossibility either.  His Celeron 420 actually outperforms some older and slower pentium 4 processors in some areas, and while not meeting the requirements of most of the games listed, I find it believable that he can manage those games on low settings.  Its messy, but it can be done. 

Now, NWN2 and intel graphics are definately two things that will never see the dawn.  NWN2 is seems way more demanding on the system than DA:O, oddly enough, and intel graphics have little hope with modern gaming applications post, say, 2002.   Different configuration on a terribly demanding game. 

Not that I would ever advocate playing a game on below minimum-spec system (mainly because of the disappointment factor), but in actual truth, you don't exactly need a "gaming system" to play modern games either unless you are into the hardcore high-defininition max resolution type person .  Games like Dragon Age really don't ask for much--granted, I would probably be skeptical on how playable it is on a low-end processor when the mobs come chasing.  Still.

[Titius.Vibius]

Why play a game that is only acceptable using low settings? My aim is to actually prevent people from giving false promises that a game can run acceptable on ones computer but not necessarily true with other users. The aim is also to prevent unwarranted rants about performance issues that sometimes people like Tsobadguy and Apex whatever condone. As much as possible you need to suggest the minimum requirements and not below it. This forum is already saturated with this kind of claims that, "why does my computer not working properly with Dragon Age but it can run other current games?" It can even play Diablo II maxed out, there should be no reason why I can't play it on my computer, yada, yada, yada.



Marketing wise, I would be losing my job if I were to sell Dragon Age, but hey I still have my morals and that is more important than giving false promises that this game is good to play on entry level machines at low resolutions.

[The Interloper]

The Interloper wrote...

enderandrew wrote...

The graphics card will probably be more important than RAM, but you can get RAM cheaper.

And with a graphics card, like I said, you can go as cheap as $50, or up to $150. Usually, when you spend more than $150 on a video card these days, you get diminishing returns.

When you first boot your computer, it will say something like "Hit F2 for Setup". I believe it is F2 on HP computers.

That setup screen is BIOS. It should show how many slots are being used. Or you could just open your case and physically look.

When I was looking up your computer model, it said that motherboard supports either PC2-4200 or PC2-5300, but it didn't say what HP was putting in there by default. I'm not sure if your current sticks are 4200 or 5300. Sometimes there are stickers on the sticks of memory themselves. Or you can use a free utility like CPU-Z that will tell you exactly what sticks you have in your system.

I tried CPU z yesterday, actually, but only got it running today. Appears the RAM is 4300.

I'll probably just buy 5300 and add it to that, as you said its cheaper then buying more 4300. Also, is there any real advantage to getting 2gb, or would just 1gb(so 3 total) be sufficient?

As for the video card, if I do get one it'll probably be a nvidia 8800 or 96/800, right now anyways.

Overall, I'm thinking to just buy and try DA, and upgrade my system if I'm dissatisfied.

Anything wrong with this preliminary plan?

Anything?

[Vespillo Infensus]

The Interloper wrote...

The Interloper wrote...

enderandrew wrote...

The graphics card will probably be more important than RAM, but you can get RAM cheaper.

And with a graphics card, like I said, you can go as cheap as $50, or up to $150. Usually, when you spend more than $150 on a video card these days, you get diminishing returns.

When you first boot your computer, it will say something like "Hit F2 for Setup". I believe it is F2 on HP computers.

That setup screen is BIOS. It should show how many slots are being used. Or you could just open your case and physically look.

When I was looking up your computer model, it said that motherboard supports either PC2-4200 or PC2-5300, but it didn't say what HP was putting in there by default. I'm not sure if your current sticks are 4200 or 5300. Sometimes there are stickers on the sticks of memory themselves. Or you can use a free utility like CPU-Z that will tell you exactly what sticks you have in your system.

I tried CPU z yesterday, actually, but only got it running today. Appears the RAM is 4300.

I'll probably just buy 5300 and add it to that, as you said its cheaper then buying more 4300. Also, is there any real advantage to getting 2gb, or would just 1gb(so 3 total) be sufficient?

As for the video card, if I do get one it'll probably be a nvidia 8800 or 96/800, right now anyways.

Overall, I'm thinking to just buy and try DA, and upgrade my system if I'm dissatisfied.

Anything wrong with this preliminary plan?

Anything?

Picking in on the entire discussion. if you have the a1730n then your video card uses shared memory and will use a part of your regular memory for it's graphic processing. By default i think the bios will give an extra 128MB of your memory to the GPU so it has 256MB in total. Your system should report only 1920MB RAM. I could be mistaking, But if you use the aero interface of Vista 256MB is welcome.

128MB dedicated graphics memory. Up to 399MB Total
Available Graphics Memory as allocated by Windows Vista™

This with the existing memory leak problems will really bring your PC on its knees. Whatever graphics card you install, it will be an improvement over the current.

Memory related = If your windows vista is a 32bit, there is no use in installing more than 3GB of memory.
The 2GB you have right now must be enough to start playing, backed up by a good graphics card with 256MB DDR3 integrated video memory or better.

Try the game, i don't know if a demo is coming and buy a graphics card if performance is miserable. A PCI-e card can easily be installed in a new system. Buying DDR2 memory is a lost investment at this time. The S939 or AM2 AMD architecture of your (and my ) PC is replaced by AM3 with DDR3 memory, so all the cash you invest is lost when you have a hardware failure in the future.

2G or 3GB, the game swallows it all because of a bug. Keep that money in your pocket. Your X2 processor will be hit extra because of the integrated memory controller so you will have to run the game on one core to keep it stable.

Like you said. Test the game. First, best and only future proof investment is a graphics card.

Good Luck.

[OneBadAssMother]

Are people asking whether they can run the game? or whether they can run it WELL - as in 50 fps or something?



Cause for the former, old systems can still run the game at ~10-20 FPS.

[The Interloper]

Ok, theres some things Im not clear on. I'm adding notations.

Vespillo Infensus wrote...


1.-- if you have the a1730n then your video card uses shared memory and will use a part of your regular memory for it's graphic processing. By default i think the bios will give an extra 128MB of your memory to the GPU so it has 256MB in total. Your system should report only 1920MB RAM. I could be mistaking, But if you use the aero interface of Vista 256MB is welcome.

2.--This with the existing memory leak problems will really bring your PC on its knees. Whatever graphics card you install, it will be an improvement over the current.

3.- Buying DDR2 memory is a lost investment at this time. The S939 or AM2 AMD architecture of your (and my ) PC is replaced by AM3 with DDR3 memory, so all the cash you invest is lost when you have a hardware failure in the future.

4.--2G or 3GB, the game swallows it all because of a bug. Keep that money in your pocket. Your X2 processor will be hit extra because of the integrated memory controller so you will have to run the game on one core to keep it stable.

1. Wait, what? What memory is being used where?
2. Now are these "memory leaks" glitches with the actual game?
3. Is this because DDR2 is being phased out?
4. Again, what part is this here?

Sorry, but again I'm a dummy (thats why I'm asking around alot)  and it's late as I'm writing this. Some clarification would be appreciated. Thank you for your time.

OneBadAssMother wrote...

Are people asking whether they can run the game? or whether they can run it WELL - as in 50 fps or something?

Cause for the former, old systems can still run the game at ~10-20 FPS.

I'm mostly concerned with the latter.

And what sort of old systems?

Modifié par The Interloper, 10 décembre 2009 - 05:00 .