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[OH-UP-THIS!]

Reorte wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

Point missed again, the whole "dream-sequence" is Sheps' psyche being messed with, along with portions of his/her own HOPES, regarding the teams' survival.

The 3 choices are ONLY part of that hallucination, IT doesn't say one way or the other, what awaits us after awakening, just that we've still got a job to do, and dammit I'm still hoping for that ONE thing, I came here to do!!!!!!!

Shut down those arrogant SOB's forever!!!!!

Having picked one of them should have some effect though - the degree of indoctrination is indicated by your choice, and affects the real final mission somehow.

Eeek, argh!!!

Regardless of your choice in the "dream-scene" it means nothing, it only signifies how deep the indoctrination is, if you chose the wrong response, then "critical mission" failure appears, if you weren't fully prepared for the 'final-push'.
How hard is it for people to imagine the MYRIAD of possibilities to this theory? IT would also enable the "so-called 16 endings" so easily, it's mind boggling.

[Credit2team]

Yes! I paid for a complete game and It would mean I got and incomplete one. Even if they offered the ending DLC for free (which they won't) I would still classify this as shady business tactics. Don't release a game till its finished.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Laurencio wrote...

The Crucible still does not make sense in IT.

You haven't GOT TO IT YET.................the WHOLE POINT!!!!!!!!!ARGH!!!!!!!!

[tractrpl]

Laurencio wrote...

The Crucible still does not make sense in IT.

Actually, it does. In IT, you never actually made it to the citadel, so you never actually fired the crucible. It makes sense because you eliminate the entire ending and state that the ending hasn't actually happened yet.

[doodiebody]

I'd be happy that the current ending was gone. I'd be disappointed the whole situation was handled so poorly.

It seems a moot point though, the wording of the EC FAQ doesn't give it much chance to be appearing.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

tractrpl wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

The Crucible still does not make sense in IT.

Actually, it does. In IT, you never actually made it to the citadel, so you never actually fired the crucible. It makes sense because you eliminate the entire ending and state that the ending hasn't actually happened yet.

Thank you thank you, finally someone who gets it.

[thefallen2far]

Yes. I would apologize for every bad thing I've said about them, i'd buy 3 EA games, highest quality, new games and that recent game by Bioware.... I would also buy all dlc and down aother $50 into multiplayer DLC and go back to having backup copies of games to give to people I think might want to play it.

if not, at least I'm saving money.

[Ariaya]

Bioware/EA has not left me with warm and fuzzy feelings. That is going to take a long time to mend.

If they go with indoctrination with the premise that they "had it planned all along" I will still be disappointed. I like the indoctrination theory. But tricking the fans in this long, drawn out fashion is just not okay. It's not fun. Their PR arrogance is also very troubling.

Bioware/EA could win me back by simply being honest and forthright. That's all. Just level with me. I would have so much more respect for the company if they could admit that the ending did not convey to the audience what they intended.

They have lost my trust. I have to see how things unfold to decide whether or not it can be repaired. I don't know.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

Would I be upset if aliens arrive to Earth tomorrow? Or pink unicorns run the streets?

This type of question.

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 15 avril 2012 - 10:38 .

[Aaleel]

I shocked so many people are hoping for and want a situation where the game they bought has no ending. IT means that your Shepard is lying on a hill and nothing has been resolved.

[OdanUrr]

ohupthis wrote...

Point missed again, the whole "dream-sequence" is Sheps' psyche being messed with, along with portions of his/her own HOPES, regarding the teams' survival.

The 3 choices are ONLY part of that hallucination, IT doesn't say one way or the other, what awaits us after awakening, just that we've still got a job to do, and dammit I'm still hoping for that ONE thing, I came here to do!!!!!!!

Shut down those arrogant SOB's forever!!!!!

Funny. If your EMS is high enough, Shepard's companions survive in every ending. What does that mean under IT?

tractrpl wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

The Crucible still does not make sense in IT.

Actually, it does. In IT, you never actually made it to the citadel, so you never actually fired the crucible. It makes sense because you eliminate the entire ending and state that the ending hasn't actually happened yet.

Explain to me how the Crucible would work then.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 15 avril 2012 - 10:48 .

[tjc2]

The problem with It is that it would have worked only if it was always the plan. The thing is though the star child and the three ending were still stupid. What was especially bad was the 3 colored ending, even if it wasn't real.

It would be patently obvious that they just 'went' with IT if Bioware had come out and said that was what they intended all along.

Thus conceptually IT would be great, but because it is so clear that is not what they intended it would have been a mistake to just go with it.

[tractrpl]

OdanUrr wrote...

Explain to me how the Crucible would work then.

The crucible would work as described all that time prior to actually meeting the starbrat. There's actually a fan generated ending that shows it. Basically, once inside the citadel, Shepard enteres a command that fired the crucible and BOOM. That's it. Game over. Reapers dead. 

From my understanding, the crucible wasn't supposed to explode like that. Instead it's supposed to be able to target Reapers individually.  Without the Catalyst, the crucible could destroy the Reapers, there's just a chance that it would destroy everyone else too. So the crucible is supposed to target the Reapers only, like a Death Star beam.

[OdanUrr]

tractrpl wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Explain to me how the Crucible would work then.

The crucible would work as described all that time prior to actually meeting the starbrat. There's actually a fan generated ending that shows it. Basically, once inside the citadel, Shepard enteres a command that fired the crucible and BOOM. That's it. Game over. Reapers dead. 

From my understanding, the crucible wasn't supposed to explode like that. Instead it's supposed to be able to target Reapers individually.  Without the Catalyst, the crucible could destroy the Reapers, there's just a chance that it would destroy everyone else too. So the crucible is supposed to target the Reapers only, like a Death Star beam.

So much for all the different endings then. But, without further exposition, that's pretty much how the Crucible should've worked.

[thefallen2far]

OdanUrr wrote...

Funny. If your EMS is high enough, Shepard's companions survive in every ending. What does that mean under IT?

It's all in your mind, so if you're confident in your readiness. Then you convince yourself the blast from your choice was more impactful.

Makes more sense than EMS effecting intensity of an explosion from space.... I mean come on Volus bombers and Rachni spawn are not going to lessen a blastwave from space.

OdanUrr wrote...

Explain to me how the Crucible would work then.

Anything you want it to. What I think would be cool, would be a kind of buffer for Indctrination, which is why TiM was trying to manipulate it to control the Reapers.

[tractrpl]

OdanUrr wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Explain to me how the Crucible would work then.

The crucible would work as described all that time prior to actually meeting the starbrat. There's actually a fan generated ending that shows it. Basically, once inside the citadel, Shepard enteres a command that fired the crucible and BOOM. That's it. Game over. Reapers dead. 

From my understanding, the crucible wasn't supposed to explode like that. Instead it's supposed to be able to target Reapers individually.  Without the Catalyst, the crucible could destroy the Reapers, there's just a chance that it would destroy everyone else too. So the crucible is supposed to target the Reapers only, like a Death Star beam.

So much for all the different endings then. But, without further exposition, that's pretty much how the Crucible should've worked.

As I stated before, there really shouldn't have been very much in the way of different ending, just endings based on your EMS - sort of like who lives or dies based on your preparedness in ME2. You should have made your choices already by the time you fire the crucible. Your choices prior to that should just determine who survives or how well the Earth or many of your allies survive.

[KingZayd]

OdanUrr wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

Point missed again, the whole "dream-sequence" is Sheps' psyche being messed with, along with portions of his/her own HOPES, regarding the teams' survival.

The 3 choices are ONLY part of that hallucination, IT doesn't say one way or the other, what awaits us after awakening, just that we've still got a job to do, and dammit I'm still hoping for that ONE thing, I came here to do!!!!!!!

Shut down those arrogant SOB's forever!!!!!

Funny. If your EMS is high enough, Shepard's companions survive in every ending. What does that mean under IT?

Even in the destruction ending where you wake up in London, the companions are shown. Before you wake up.. it's not real.

If your EMS is too low, then it manifests in your imagination as the crucible being of poor quality. And since you have had doubts at how effective the targeting is, this is featured in the MindCrucible, killing off your friends in your imagination.. BEFORE you wake up.

OdanUrr wrote... 

tractrpl wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

The Crucible still does not make sense in IT.

Actually, it does. In IT, you never actually made it to the citadel, so you never actually fired the crucible. It makes sense because you eliminate the entire ending and state that the ending hasn't actually happened yet.

Explain to me how the Crucible would work then.

We don't know yet because we haven't seen it in action yet. But based on the ingame information we can safely say that it:
tunes into the mass relay's command switches,
activates a mass effect field, requiring Eezo
It uses a combination of  Dark matter, the Reaper heart, and Helium-3 fusion to power it, along with it seems, the Citadel.
Makes use of interferometric arrays (if you have them) to give a real time map of the Milky Way, including the positions of each and every Reaper (useful for targeting, right? instead of releasing a big ball of undirected energy)
Makes use of complex feedback systems that control the weapon's energy output
Makes use of advanced power relays (15km of insulated wiring with regulatory switchboxes to prevent catastrophic surges from overloading the systems)
Makes use of Shadow Broker Ship tech in sections that require the dissipation of tremendous amounts of energy
Makes use of a new, cheap, high heat resistance, zero thermal conductivity polymer to insulate the venting chambers
Is constructed so that it doesn't shear on activation due to the monumental pressures.
Employs pure platinum for the primary trigger inlay (whatever that means)
Employs nanocircuitry.
Leading theory as to how it can be used is: (using mass relays to transfer mass and energy accross the galaxy to kill reapers, rendering the the vast distances meaningless. The interferometric relays would sure help with targeting)

Question: Do you really think the allied fleet is really going to plug this device into the citadel, and risk so much without having the slightest clue what's going to happen when they do? they don't think they might need to understand what the device does to actually use it?

[Mandalorian9]

DangerousPuddy wrote...

I would get over it so long as it:

a) provides well-done and fully flushed out endings (~4-6 of them)
removes the plot holes, starchild and the like

I wouldn't pay for it if it was planned. If on the other hand they did this to fix the game I might.

But from here on out...I would be skeptical of any BioWare and EA game none-the-less and wait for fan reviews for everything.

How about the sixteen endings we were promised?

[Noelemahc]

Thread Hop:
Only if the real ending is hella good. I find the IT as cheap a cop-out as the Deus Ex Machina we have now.

[dreman9999]

Fl1xx wrote...

I'd still hate it, but for different reasons. "It was all a dream" is a terrible cliche.

But it's something foreshadowed from ME1.

[dreman9999]

Aaleel wrote...

I shocked so many people are hoping for and want a situation where the game they bought has no ending. IT means that your Shepard is lying on a hill and nothing has been resolved.

...eXTENDED CUT.

[dreman9999]

tjc2 wrote...

The problem with It is that it would have worked only if it was always the plan. The thing is though the star child and the three ending were still stupid. What was especially bad was the 3 colored ending, even if it wasn't real.

It would be patently obvious that they just 'went' with IT if Bioware had come out and said that was what they intended all along.

Thus conceptually IT would be great, but because it is so clear that is not what they intended it would have been a mistake to just go with it.

Your not understandingthepoint of the star child in IT. He is there to try to trick Shepard into changing his mind.

[Candidate 88766]

It would mean that in a game of choice and consequence, your decisions count for nothing. In the actual endings, your decisions can at least open up alternate options, even if they are poorly explained and similar to each other, at least visually.

With the IT, the 'correct' choice is available no matter what you do, while trying harder only opens up two endings that lead to fancy 'game over' screens.

So no, I wouldn't be any happier with this.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 16 avril 2012 - 03:10 .

[EsterCloat]

That "theory" is dumb so yeah, I'd still be upset. Taking disparate events and saying that they all point to a single possibility, born out of a delusional desire to see the ending become null, is sad.

Modifié par EsterCloat, 16 avril 2012 - 03:11 .

[DJBare]

I'll take indoc over what we got any time, and I'm not even an avid supporter of it, but I do prefer the idea that everything but the catalyst is real, I much prefer to think that's ole harby projecting into Shepards mind, I got more fight left in me, so let me at him dammit!