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The ending reminds me of the Kobayashi Maru test.


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Carlthestrange

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Its not so much a complaint thread, its more of an analysis thread. And if feels to me like the ending to Mass Effect 3 is a form of the Kobayashi Maru test. The no win situation.

In Star Trek, the idea of the test was to teach the Captain that not every situation was winnable, and he or she must learn to accept that, and keep a level head even in the face of death.

Of course, that doesn't work so well in Mass Effect 3. Because as we always see, Shepard finds that way out that everyone sees as impossible. The route that no one else even thinks of. Hence why his or her crew will follow them to the gates of hell.

Suddenly Shepard is confronted with the ultimate no-win situation. A shiny Starchild giving them 3 non-negotiable ways to end the cycle, with little or no chance of survival. You would expect Shepard to react to this, look for the 4th way out, the impossible way out, and speak out. But through either severe blood loss or hallucination, Shepard goes along and finally completes the Kobayashi Maru run.

A shame really, Shepard should have done what Kirk did. Hacked the computer so that he could win. B)

What does the ending choice make you think of Sci-fi wise?

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FTL forums.

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Dark_Caduceus

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...What if ME1-ME3 was just a practice exercise given to Shepard to see if he's N7 ready?!

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Dark_Caduceus wrote...

...What if ME1-ME3 was just a practice exercise given to Shepard to see if he's N7 ready?!


Theory is great, but as Family Guy put it, "Isn't the Dream sequence idea just a big middle finger to the fans?"

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Interesting. Yeah, that's a good comparison.

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pjotroos

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"Signs" by M. Night Shyamalan, and all his later works.

The plot develops nicely, you're engaged into characters and the story, you think it comes to a logical conclusion - and then, in the last 5 minutes, everything gets put on its head due to a ridiculous plot twist. The only difference is, they didn't foreshadow is as well as Shyamalan did in "Signs" :P

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Hahaha, Tin foil hat time?

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Carlthestrange wrote...
A shame really, Shepard should have done what Kirk did. Hacked the computer so that he could win. B)


Another ending to add to my "ways the ending could have been improved" list... Press "use" on the starchild and the ME2 hacking window pops up, complete it and get a better ending :P

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Carlthestrange

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Hahaha, I like it.

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M Hedonist

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If your hacking attempt fails you could also apply a bunch of omni-gel.

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pjotroos wrote...

"Signs" by M. Night Shyamalan, and all his later works.

The plot develops nicely, you're engaged into characters and the story, you think it comes to a logical conclusion - and then, in the last 5 minutes, everything gets put on its head due to a ridiculous plot twist. The only difference is, they didn't foreshadow is as well as Shyamalan did in "Signs" :P


I'd rather say Sixth Sense, with the twist being sort of a 'real ending' yet to come. But this one has pretty much gotten very unlikely.

The first minutes after finishing ME3 my initial - and last - comparison was the 'Contact' movie, especially with the after-credits easter-egg.
But even in the movie they gave the viewer's a hint to what it actually was. Since, unlike in 'Inception', you didn't have clues hidden in the movie.

Ah, and there we are: Inception.
Nolan did put some clues for what might probably had happened and therefore ended it on an artistically vague note. And it was fine, because the movie felt narratively consistent to the last second.
Mass Effect 3 didn't.
If ME3 ended with that last fade out after the last Shepard and Anderson dialog, THEN I might agree with "artistic integrity". But with what we got, no, not so much.

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The KM test is about to be broken by EA pushing bioware to produce the EC before more **** hits the fan


I wonder what Spock has to say about this

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MaximizedAction wrote...

I'd rather say Sixth Sense, with the twist being sort of a 'real ending' yet to come. But this one has pretty much gotten very unlikely.


You were the Starchild all along? :kissing:

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Ah, so the real win is still there, you just need to hack the game without Origin finding out and banning you. Origin == the Reapers too. Interesting...

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It's a good comparison, but in the test you still can UNDERSTAND the options that are available. They are all unpleasant of course.

ME3 and it's all about Space-Magic .... =(

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Can I ask the Starchild to calculate pi to the last digit?

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I thought the same when I finished, so put this together:

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Modifié par Melicamp, 15 avril 2012 - 10:10 .


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malakim2099 wrote...

Can I ask the Starchild to calculate pi to the last digit?


The answer is Chicken and Mushroom.

OH, you said pi... that could overload his system I guess.

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You know, I look at that picture of Captain Kirk, and I think... Loreal. Because he's worth it.

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malakim2099 wrote...

Can I ask the Starchild to calculate pi to the last digit?


I've checked the answer quite throughly and it's 42.

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MaximizedAction wrote...
I'd rather say Sixth Sense, with the twist being sort of a 'real ending' yet to come. But this one has pretty much gotten very unlikely.

I don't want to sound like an arse, so sorry if it comes out that way - but the indoctrination was always wishful thinking. Sure the current endings are inconsistent, sure some elements actually fit the hallucination angle, but they're outweighted by one simple fact. The game was shipped the way it was shipped. It ends with the tricolor choice. If they revealed the real ending was never included, and they have it coming as DLC, there would be political ****storm of a magnitute even Udina wouldn't think possible.

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Ahh,, Kirk he would of talked the Starchild and the Reapers into shutting down just like Landru...
saving the day the Kirk way

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You know, I remember a number of times where Kirk argued with various AIs. HE was able to point out the flaws in their logic, and even make some of them blow themselves up as a result.

I think Shepard doing something like that is perfectly in line with his/her character.

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ChickenMan77 wrote...

Ahh,, Kirk he would of talked the Starchild and the Reapers into shutting down just like Landru...
saving the day the Kirk way


You know, when they killed Kirk in Star Trek generations, even Shatner refused to let him stay dead. Wrote his own series of novels in which the Borg brought him back to life as his younger self... very crazy, but it was still cool to see that even Shatner wouldn't let Kirk die.

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pjotroos wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
I'd rather say Sixth Sense, with the twist being sort of a 'real ending' yet to come. But this one has pretty much gotten very unlikely.

I don't want to sound like an arse, so sorry if it comes out that way - but the indoctrination was always wishful thinking. Sure the current endings are inconsistent, sure some elements actually fit the hallucination angle, but they're outweighted by one simple fact. The game was shipped the way it was shipped. It ends with the tricolor choice. If they revealed the real ending was never included, and they have it coming as DLC, there would be political ****storm of a magnitute even Udina wouldn't think possible.


I've never really bought into "they planned this all along" but there is evidence they intended to include it and were simply rushed. The Final Hours app says outright they were trying to include it but had "technical difficulties". But I still have hope that they may end up running with this as you could spin it as "clarification" and thus far it's the only theory/solution that addresses not only Star-Jar's idiotic logic but the problems inherent to Star-Jar's very existence.