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[Blind2Society]

BlahDog wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

It isn't the fans' "fault" that BioWare would rather remove a game element than fix it.

True, but I find that on the BSN there are more "X is terrible and it sucks" comments than "X is terrible this is what we would like and this is how it would work."

I can somewhat sympathise with Bioware for removing features considering just how binary people are. It's either terrible or good, no this "little thing could make it work better" just black and white.

I completely disagree with this.

[frylock23]

And yet, I don't think anyone at all complained about the mechanics of the final mission in ME2. In fact, I think it was widely praised. I think people liked sending their squaddies off on side missions according to their individual talents ...

But that was removed too.

So I don't think your wall of text necessarily follows.

[RoboticWater]

Arik7 wrote...

Mordimor wrote...
However, I think that the case is just the opposite; Bioware listens to us, and they listen to us too much.  Have any of us stopped to think that the ending we got, the absense of a final boss fight, and several other unfavorable changes made to the Mass Effect series could be directly attributed to us?

NO.  I don't remember anyone asking for our choices to be meaningless....  I don't remember anyone asking for a star child and space magic....  I don't remember anyone asking for plot holes.

I didn't ask Bioware to have a mission on Pavalen's moon, should they have left that out. Or what about a shooting range on the Citadel?

In fact, Bioware shouldn't make any decisions themselves at all, absolutely all of them end up so badly.

[Zine2]

Choosing which feedback to address and ignore is an inherent part in any collaborative creative process. It's not an excuse to screw up.

[RoboticWater]

Blind2Society wrote...

BlahDog wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

It isn't the fans' "fault" that BioWare would rather remove a game element than fix it.

True, but I find that on the BSN there are more "X is terrible and it sucks" comments than "X is terrible this is what we would like and this is how it would work."

I can somewhat sympathise with Bioware for removing features considering just how binary people are. It's either terrible or good, no this "little thing could make it work better" just black and white.

I completely disagree with this.

Why?

[Mev186]

I agree with the sentement of what you said.

In truth, this is our fault, at least in part.

We gave Bioware nearly universal praise. Hailed it as the next great science fiction franchise. And Bioware drank it up. and got drunk off it until they thought themselves immune to public ridicule. It was the same thing that happened to George Lucas with Star Wars...

[Arik7]

Greed1914 wrote...

NoUserNameHere wrote...

The boss fight thing was probably atributable to the (actually rather minor) backlash against the Human-Reapernator of the second game. This is also the least of the problems with the ending sequence.

I don't recall anyone calling for a debbie-downer ending with a mandatory Shamalan twist just to complete the franchise's ruin.

The problem with the Human Reaper is that he looked silly and inappropriate for mature gamers.....  In ME3, BioWare doubled-down with the star child and space magic, straight out of Walt Dinsey....

[FlamingBoy]

no, it was there fault, we did not ask for multiplayer, we did not ask for kinect, we did not ask for smaller squads, and we are as sure as hell that we did not ask for the world most retarded ending
i refuse to accept the blame that was the disaster that is mass effect 3 ending

[Blind2Society]

@BlahDog: Me disagreeing pretty much says why. I feel most if not all threads complaining about something say why. And in most other cases they say this is what I don't like about this. And in the cases where people don't say why there is usually someone who agrees and elaborates as to why.

So basically, I disagree.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 16 avril 2012 - 01:43 .

[Mev186]

FlamingBoy wrote...

no, it was there fault, we did not ask for multiplayer, we did not ask for kinect, we did not ask for smaller squads, and we are as sure as hell that we did not ask for the world most retarded ending
i refuse to accept the blame that was the disaster that is mass effect 3 ending

Search your feelings, you know it to be true....

[Bill Casey]

The removal of the MAKO/Hammerhead is completely fine with me. It allowed them to focus on and tighten up the core gameplay elements...

The Human Reaper Larvae was pretty silly... (but serviceable)


Who the hell didn't like Harbinger/Saren/Sovereign?

Modifié par Bill Casey, 16 avril 2012 - 01:43 .

[Lookout1390]

Yeah, it's our fault alright.

Thinking a group of professional writers could pull their heads out of their asses and realize just how ****-tastic this ending was.

[kalasaurus]

I know my case doesn't apply to a lot of BSN, but I didn't come here to **** and moan until after I played ME3. I really didn't know that fans had an issue with terminator reaper, Harbinger, Mako & Hammerhead (which I disliked, but not to the point of flaming) until I actually came here. I haven't read any complaints about Saren and Sovereign.

I personally liked Harbinger's trash talking. The terminator reaper was silly looking, but it didn't bother me. ME2 will still be my favorite game in the trilogy.

I don't think the problems with ME3 can be blamed on the fans. We are a diverse group with different loud opinions.

[Jealous Beauty]

I'm just glad they finally caved in to popular demand and put Jessica Chobot in the game.

[Blind2Society]

Jealous Beauty wrote...

I'm just glad they finally caved in to popular demand and put Jessica Chobot in the game.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 16 avril 2012 - 01:46 .

[hippanda]

False premise.

People complained that Harbinger was too much like a cartoon villain, often contrasting him against Sovereign. The solution was to reign in the one-liners and make him a bit more like Sovereign for the 3rd game, not to take him out entirely. Again, take a look at the end of the suicide mission. The speech he gives as you're trying to escape is just as epic as anything Sovereign ever said.

Same can be said for striking a balance between the mako and the hammerhead rather than removing them entirely.

Same can be said for striking a balance between linear and open-ended planet exploration rather than removing it entirely.

etc.

Modifié par hippanda, 16 avril 2012 - 01:49 .

[RoboticWater]

Blind2Society wrote...

Me disagreeing pretty much says why. I feel most if not all threads complaining about something say why. And in most other cases they say this is what I don't like about this.

So basically, I disagree.

In ME3's case, yes because the ending and a few other complaints are factually correct and have a large following doing reaserch. But many threads I have seen on the ME2 forum did not say anything more than "X opinion now it is fact" or a discussion that started out weel but turned into the first kind of thread. 

[Spectre Impersonator]

Jealous Beauty wrote...

I'm just glad they finally caved in to popular demand and put Jessica Chobot in the game.

Yep... because everyone was desperately requesting that and not... you know Tali's face or Kal Reegar or maybe an appearance by Shiala or Parasini.

[Arik7]

BlahDog wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Mordimor wrote...
However, I think that the case is just the opposite; Bioware listens to us, and they listen to us too much.  Have any of us stopped to think that the ending we got, the absense of a final boss fight, and several other unfavorable changes made to the Mass Effect series could be directly attributed to us?

NO.  I don't remember anyone asking for our choices to be meaningless....  I don't remember anyone asking for a star child and space magic....  I don't remember anyone asking for plot holes.

I didn't ask Bioware to have a mission on Pavalen's moon, should they have left that out. Or what about a shooting range on the Citadel?

In fact, Bioware shouldn't make any decisions themselves at all, absolutely all of them end up so badly.

I have countered the OP's premise that the ending was a failure due to fan feedback.... That, of course, is ludicrous....   None of the major flaws were influences by fans....

[marshkoala]

@BlahDog
Though I only lurk on the story forum(with spoilers) for the most part I don't see rude or abusive posts.
Now having been here a month, I can tell which threads not to bother with because of their titles and if I'm on a thread that starts to derail I will just leave.
What I've noticed a lot lately are posters dropping in a thread to deliberately start a fight, which is a pain in the backside because then it's locked down.

[RoboticWater]

GlassElephant wrote...

I know my case doesn't apply to a lot of BSN, but I didn't come here to **** and moan until after I played ME3. I really didn't know that fans had an issue with terminator reaper, Harbinger, Mako & Hammerhead (which I disliked, but not to the point of flaming) until I actually came here. I haven't read any complaints about Saren and Sovereign.

I personally liked Harbinger's trash talking. The terminator reaper was silly looking, but it didn't bother me. ME2 will still be my favorite game in the trilogy.

I don't think the problems with ME3 can be blamed on the fans. We are a diverse group with different loud opinions.

Trust me, be glad you joined after ME3.

[FlamingBoy]

Mev186 wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

no, it was there fault, we did not ask for multiplayer, we did not ask for kinect, we did not ask for smaller squads, and we are as sure as hell that we did not ask for the world most retarded ending
i refuse to accept the blame that was the disaster that is mass effect 3 ending

Search your feelings, you know it to be true....

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[Terraforming2154]

I actually sort of do think that people complaining about the Mako/Hammerhead, planetary exploration, and Harbinger's chatting probably got those elements cut out of the game. Which sucks. I would have preferred Bioware trying to update them and make them better rather than removing them completely.

At the same time, however, I don't remember anyone really saying they wanted an ambiguous ending. I don't remember anyone saying that the series really needed a starchild or all-knowing mysterious being. I don't remember anyone saying that the Kasumi/Zaeed convos were how most conversations should be handled (in fact, a large amount of people wanted those two elevated in ME3 so they wouldn't have those type of conversations). I don't remember anyone saying they liked femShep's flirtation with Jacob being forced down our throats (yet they give us Vega, who Shepard shameless flirts with on her own).

I don't know OP, I understand where you are coming from, but some of the choices they made in ME3 were pretty baffling to me.

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 16 avril 2012 - 01:49 .

[XTR3M3]

yea, BioWare's choice to do a deus ex ending contrary to what they hyped pre-release and go against the format of the whole trilogy with that "ending" is our fault.....riiiiight.....

PLEASE....OP, you must have PTSD from ME3's ending or battered wife syndrome to suggest this is our fault. They obviously chose the wrong people for scrutiny of their end product and chose the wrong people to listen to.

[RoboticWater]

Arik7 wrote...

BlahDog wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Mordimor wrote...
However, I think that the case is just the opposite; Bioware listens to us, and they listen to us too much.  Have any of us stopped to think that the ending we got, the absense of a final boss fight, and several other unfavorable changes made to the Mass Effect series could be directly attributed to us?

NO.  I don't remember anyone asking for our choices to be meaningless....  I don't remember anyone asking for a star child and space magic....  I don't remember anyone asking for plot holes.

I didn't ask Bioware to have a mission on Pavalen's moon, should they have left that out. Or what about a shooting range on the Citadel?

In fact, Bioware shouldn't make any decisions themselves at all, absolutely all of them end up so badly.

I have countered the OP's premise that the ending was a failure due to fan feedback.... That, of course, is ludicrous....   None of the major flaws were influences by fans....

The lack of a boss fight could certainly be attributed to fan feedback.