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[Tony208]

Please, all those were minor complaints. Personally, I never complained about anything until now.

[GigaTheToast]

It's a case of 'fans who cried wolf', everyone spent so much time complaining about pointless things that when an actual problem rears it's head nobody takes them seriously.

Bioware gets s**t on by their fans no matter what they do at this point, how is it a surprise they've grown resentful?

[XTR3M3]

If this was our fault and BioWare made it like this due to our b!tching.....why haven't they agreed to re-write the ending? The b!tching about that is more than the b!tching about all other things in the ME series combined.....

Modifié par XTR3M3, 16 avril 2012 - 02:54 .

[77boy84]

When given criticism, a rational person analyzes the criticism, and asks themselves "Ok, how do I fix this?"

When given criticism, an irrational person throws a tantrum, and takes out the source of criticism completely.

I actually liked having no final boss fight, and you know what, I did like having no harbinger too, becaue yeah, he was a giant joke, but I'm not glad that bioware axed a lot of other things that were cool or could have been really cool because they couldn't handle the heat.

It's not our fault it's gone, it's Bioware's fault for taking it out instead of being rational adults and using criticism to improve their damn game.

[Aleru]

I approve this thread.

People are always complaining... but not giving any constructive critics.

They rage at everything, without thinking about it properly.

Bioware listens too much to their fans already. I ve noticed it too.

If you develop a game listening to the fans, you will fail (the same goes for movies, comics, etc). Of course you should listen to them time to time... but not at everything. Fans dont know what they want... and its very possible that fans dont know how to write a story too.

[Norskebanan]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Norskebanan wrote...

I assume it has been said already, but if it hasn't:

jensen_i_never_asked_for_this.avi

I've played that game three times and never heard him say that because I never pick that option. I never saw a problem with augments and they did do it to save my life. I wasn't jaded about it.

It was in the trailer too, which was wildly popular. Literally the first line he said.

[Zix13]

Dridengx wrote...

Great post and I agree.. Bioware caters and listens to its fans waay too much and the result is the fans still being upset lol so might as well do your own thing

Do you have anything better to do than troll? 

[Mixorz]

Nightwriter wrote...

It isn't the fans' "fault" that BioWare would rather remove a game element than fix it.

But again, its like a guy complaining to his wife that they have spaghetti every night, then wife makes a hamburger and the guys like where's my spaghetti? Fans here need to stop trolling and seriously discuss things rather than make countless memes, and complain for the sole purpose of complaining.

Hey I got my sixty bucks worth and more, let me complain until the game becomes something I don't enjoy.

Modifié par Mixorz, 16 avril 2012 - 03:04 .

[Elyiia]

Aleru wrote...

I approve this thread.

People are always complaining... but not giving any constructive critics.

They rage at everything, without thinking about it properly.

Bioware listens too much to their fans already. I ve noticed it too.

If you develop a game listening to the fans, you will fail (the same goes for movies, comics, etc). Of course you should listen to them time to time... but not at everything. Fans dont know what they want... and its very possible that fans dont know how to write a story too.

No, this is the result of Bioware dropping the ball. The endings were prophesised in a thread about the worst possible endings. No one wanted this ending and to claim it's because of Bioware listening to fan feedback is beyond laughable.

[ElementL09]

For the absense of vehicles, I'm waiting for DLC as the Hammerhead was DLC for ME2. The Mako was hard to control but it wasn't like people hated the concept of vehicle missions. The Hammerhead was well recieved in ME2, even though it was weak, it had fire power and manueverability.

Personally, I thought there was going to be a boss fight, while not with the Harbinger, but maybe the Illusive man. After being dispproven on the later, I just assumed I'd be surprised at whatever boss I did face. Did I think ME3 would have an ending boss fight? Yes. Aim I dissappointed that it didn't, Not really.

ME3 is a great game until the ending, heck I think the ending we got the ending we got so that they can release post game DLC. Its ridiculous. I wanted an end to a trilogy, not something a few writers knew more about then they actually let us see or know from the ending we have now. Granted, I didn't want a happy ending, just something that made sense to me, and wasn't so transperant and leading into post game DLC.

[lillitheris]

Wow. Stockholm Syndrome.

[someguy1231]

If Bioware really listened to fans as much as you think they do, then Mass Effect 3 would have been a dating sim.

[Encarmine]

OP speaks the truth.

People ****ed about the reaper baby boss fight from ME2

People ****ed about the Mako and Hammerhead

Bioware did change things based on the ****es feedback.

ME3 is a game aimed at ****es.

And the ****es dont like it lol

[GBJ13]

I have no clue why people think the ending is the fault of Bioware fans. Read the Final Hours App material. The ending was INTENDED by the writing team. This is what they wanted to do. I don't just don't get it. This post is like a post-Galleo defense of the idea the Sun revolves around the Earth...

There is NO evidence that fan feedback produced the ending, excluding a letter a 7th grader wrote that was instrumental in the decision to add the stargazer sequence at the very end. The content of the letter, however, was dramatically different that what the actual scene entailed. It was just the muse, not the concept.

Again, 0% true. . Just crazy people who want to bash Bioware fans... again. Btw, some things fan feedback got:

1. Femshepherd trailer.
2. More Romance options for LGBT players
3. The Tali Romance Idea

Those are ACTUAL impacts that fan feedback has had. I applaud Bioware for listening to fans. That's a good thing. Should they listen to every idea fans have? No. But, there's no monopoly on good ideas. Did fans write the wonderful stories? No, they didn't. Bioware's very talented team did. They deserve the credit for the execution of the fans suggestions. They did the lion-share of the work. The fans didn't make those things, but without fan feedback, they won't have. Did fans have a positive impact? Obviously, yes. Could fans have had a negative impact? Of course, it's not impossible. However, the big fiasco regarding the ending is almost entirely unrelated to fan feedback.

In short, OP is terribly, terribly wrong. People agreeing with him don't know the facts, and should be ashamed. Attacking Bioware fans without any evidence is just as bad as attacking Bioware without any evidence. Both shouldn't happen.

[The Night Mammoth]

Encarmine wrote...

OP speaks the truth.

No, he doesn't.

People ****ed about the reaper baby boss fight from ME2

Less because it was a boss fight, more because the idea behind a 'Reaper embryo' was stupid.

People ****ed about the Mako and Hammerhead

Because they were poorly designed. Poor controls, bland environments, exploration was largely pointless. 

Bioware did change things based on the ****es feedback.

They didn't 'change' anything, they took these things out when easy improvements could have been made. That's listening to a little feedback and then being lazy about fixing the problems. 

ME3 is a game aimed at ****es.

And the ****es dont like it lol

Evidently, it's not aimed at the people you think it is, then. 

[GBJ13]

Mixorz wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

It isn't the fans' "fault" that BioWare would rather remove a game element than fix it.

But again, its like a guy complaining to his wife that they have spaghetti every night, then wife makes a hamburger and the guys like where's my spaghetti? Fans here need to stop trolling and seriously discuss things rather than make countless memes, and complain for the sole purpose of complaining.

Hey I got my sixty bucks worth and more, let me complain until the game becomes something I don't enjoy.

Look, that's not really the relationship.  Here's a panel on Dragon Age 3:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZhTbhUpixY&feature=youtu.be

Dragon Age II had a some serious issues with recycling environments.   Fans commented on it.  Bioware said they'd fix it in three.  Fans applauded.   People want to like Bioware games. They wouldn't be this passionate if they didn't.

One of the reasons fan commentary has been so aggressive is that this exchange has felt particular one-sided. With a majority of the posters basically saying "The ending ruins 95% of the game and even the themes of the whole game."   Whether Bioware has been listening, a lot of posters have felt they were not.   The forums were bad during DA2, but this is an unprecdenet level of criticism of a Bioware decision.  It's a unique situtation for both parties.

[The Night Mammoth]

Mixorz wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

It isn't the fans' "fault" that BioWare would rather remove a game element than fix it.

But again, its like a guy complaining to his wife that they have spaghetti every night, then wife makes a hamburger and the guys like where's my spaghetti?

More like being told he's going to have a hamburger, and getting soup instead. With a fly in it. And his wife saying it's 'her vision' for what they were going to have. 

Fans here need to stop trolling and seriously discuss things rather than make countless memes, and complain for the sole purpose of complaining.

Do you just, I dunno, pick one random thread out every few hours and post in it, ignoring the rest? Looks like it, because if you think that's all people are doing you need to wake up. 

[kalpain]

Bioware, seems to me, like that out of touch relative that doesn't really know what to get you for Christmas but wants to do right by you so they want to get you something.  Since they remembered there was something about the Mako you didn't like they took it out all together and said, "See, it's just what you wanted. :):)"

[FatalX7.0]

OP should watch this video.



I don't like having my shoes stolen by my friend and have them make it my fault.

[cavs25]

The game sucks because of the fans suggestions!
We cannot use the fans suggestions to fix the endings because of artistic integrity!

Sighhh

[Avalon Aurora]

Nightwriter wrote...

It isn't the fans' "fault" that BioWare would rather remove a game element than fix it.

Quoted for truth. +1

[TODD9999]

I believe the OP's final point is quite mistaken. I have seen tons of constructive criticism given here. Very rarely do I see someone just post "The ending sucks" or "The romances suck". Most of the time, people like to give reasons, like "the ending sucked because I felt like none of my choices mattered" or "the romances suck because Shepard and the LI don't act like they've been in a relationship for 2+ games". And very rarely do I see reasons given that are as simple and sparse as the examples I just threw out there.

Just because a comment may be blunt doesn't mean it's not constructive. Ideally it shouldn't be rude, and I definitely agree that I've seen some of those, but it doesn't have to be anything other than informative. "I disliked X because of Y".

And as I've seen other people say, the response to "The Mako sucks because it handles terribly and the planets are pointlessly huge with nothing to do on them" doesn't have to be "People hate the Mako, trash it and trash planets". It could have been "Okay, let's make the planets maybe a little smaller, a little more interesting. Let's improve vehicle control and combat, get rid of most of the little doodads you need to scan, and maybe put in some cool setpieces." See? There's ways to actually address criticism without just throwing away what was being criticized.

Similarly, "The reaper larvae makes no sense as a boss" doesn't need to be translated as "All bosses suck and are terrible". It just means that the bosses need to make sense in the game.

So, in the end, I'm afraid I'm going to refuse to accept blame for the problems with the game, and I don't really think that any other fans of the series are to blame, either.

[magnutz06]

Funny that Bioware said they wouldnt change an aspect of the game for a vocal minority, now the OP wants us to believe that the customers are at fault for the overall degrading of quality in Bioware's games.

In other words they wont listen to the massive anti-ending movement but they were swayed by much smaller groups of customer complaints in the past? No way

Giving us less for more profit is the only reason, go point your finger at the disgustingly paid people at the top of the company

[Strange Aeons]

Wow. This is like some kind of gaming Stockholm Syndrome.

Sorry, I was under the impression that Bioware was a professional game development company.

So which is it?  Does Bioware sit around all day combing through the forums and wringing their hands in their desperation to please everyone, or is ME3 the sacrosanct artistic vision of the creative team upon which we dare not infringe with the ignorant complaints of mere philistines?

Modifié par Strange Aeons, 16 avril 2012 - 04:10 .