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[Shaftell]

Ok I beat Mass Effect 3 a month ago... We all know about that ... I've heard alot of bad talk about DA2 on the ME forums without knowing the reason why... I beat DA2 last night with my imported DAO story import. I thought it was a good solid game that obviously had issues such as: reused maps, graphics, and level design. The story was rich I thought, and I didn't mind the 3 acts.  It was tons of fun IMO... 7.5/10 ... What were some of your major issues with this game? I really want to know.

Modifié par Shaftell, 16 avril 2012 - 01:38 .

[keesio74]

Shaftell, just take a look at the threads here. You'll easily find what people are complaining about. My biggies are that it is an unfinished product (recycled env., generic item names, etc) and waves of enemies spawning out of thin air.

But I am not one of the haters. I liked this game too.

Modifié par keesio74, 16 avril 2012 - 01:57 .

[casadechrisso]

- horrible art design decisions (weapons etc.), over the top kiddie stuff
- extremely annoying encounters (waves)
- extreme fan service washing out everything (example: Everyone being Hawke-sexual)
- Hawke
- JRPG chars like Fenris
- 2-dimensional companions
- dialogue wheel
- lacking dialogues with companions
- static, lifeless environments
- copy&paste levels
- people don't move in 10 years
- massive plotholes
- massive facepalm plot decisions
- embarrassing scenes and plots and bosses... Meredith, Frankenstein, etc...

That's just a small list, but I've never been so disappointed before by Bioware. When I first saw the new Flemeth was already the point where I wanted to throw the whole game out of the window. For me, the whole art is just "derp" made for 6 yr olds.
A while later I forced myself to play on and actually found some very nice ideas in the game, but as I said I had to force myself to play on to find those. It definitely had some good moments and with a longer development time and overall better quality of the game these ideas could've been fantastic... but as it is they're only buried deep in this pile of... nonsense.
After actually finishing the game I wouldn't give the game the lowest possible score because it clearly had it's moments, but it's still mediocre. 6/10.

[Shaftell]

@ cascadechrisso: The weapons were a bit over the top... The two handed swords are overly big... very final fantasy... Can you tell me about the plot holes? Or your face palm moments... I didn't understand the Flemeth thing... I thought we killed her in the 1st game?

[CuriousArtemis]

I think the hate stems from people who played DA:O first. Since I played DA2 first and DA:O second, I ended up liking the former more than the latter. So unlike some, I could sit and list over a dozen things I didn't like about DA:O, whereas with DA2, I would say, maybe, reused maps and ... too short?  And perhaps not being able to dress up the companions.

It's based more on feeling and passion than logic and reason.

Modifié par motomotogirl, 16 avril 2012 - 04:41 .

[cJohnOne]

I gave DA2 a 7 out of 10. A good game. I don't see why it would be hated except it isn't a direct sequel to DAO. I really enjoy the game.

[Augustei]

One thing I hated was the All that remains quest.. Not because it was sad, but because I didn't feel it was well written and it felt like i'd walked into a Frankenstein comedy parody of some kind.. Also Act III the plot just sort of deteriorates and pales in comparison to Act I and Act II (Act II was awesome imo). Also I didn't care for the companions and the way they were written (Not all, but most) And Tallis.. I like to pretend Tallis wasn't in MOTA lol.

The game also as already mentioned felt unfinished, it didn't have that polish to it, the enemies dropping in waves was frustrating and the reused enviourments.

The Lack of world altering choices was one of the big ones for me, regardless of their felt effect in the game their effect on my save's world didn't seem significant like it did in Origin where I was deciding who ruled nations etc.

and the ending, the whole thing with Orsino turning into a harvester and Meredith loosing it with the magical sword ruined it for me

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 16 avril 2012 - 05:49 .

[force192]

I thought it was an ok game. But the number one reason was because it wasn't Dragon Age:Origins 2.
The things I didn't like was the
1. The story got boring at times.
2. The side quests were all fetch quests.
3. The reused dungeons
4. The enemy waves.

[archvonbaron]

Outside of my few issues with the game most of which have already been stated I think the reason DA2 got so much hate is the same reason ME3 got a lot of hate: people were expecting something else. I didn't play DA:O until a few weeks ago and only bought DA2 at the end of last week and enjoy them both a huge amount, but those who waited for DA2 to come out and were hyped up by BioWare would of likely felt the same sense of betrayal I felt when I finished ME3.

I liked the narrative, the whole you're playing a story as Varric tells it was quite good in my opinion although the sudden jumps forwards and your companions picking up from where they were several years earlier was jarring, The combat I enjoyed more then Origins but that's just me. Most of the other problems can be explained through the game probably being rushed through development more then it should of been.

But so long as this studio remembers they're making an RPG and not a film or a third person hack and slash game DA3 should be a good game. Oh and before I forget Auto Dialogue is the enemy DA2 got the balance right but anymore and it will be annoying again.

[keesio74]

Shaftell wrote...

@ cascadechrisso: The weapons were a bit over the top... The two handed swords are overly big... very final fantasy... Can you tell me about the plot holes? Or your face palm moments... I didn't understand the Flemeth thing... I thought we killed her in the 1st game?

She apparently placed some of her life essence into the amulet that Hawke carried to Sundermount and Merrill did the ritural that revived her. The scene in Lothering when Flemeth rescues them is before The warden kills Flemeth (if you killed her in your plauthrough)

[TEWR]

keesio74 wrote...

Shaftell wrote...

@ cascadechrisso: The weapons were a bit over the top... The two handed swords are overly big... very final fantasy... Can you tell me about the plot holes? Or your face palm moments... I didn't understand the Flemeth thing... I thought we killed her in the 1st game?

She apparently placed some of her life essence into the amulet that Hawke carried to Sundermount and Merrill did the ritural that revived her. The scene in Lothering when Flemeth rescues them is before The warden kills Flemeth (if you killed her in your plauthrough)

Right.

We were told numerous times in DAO that Flemeth wouldn't stay dead and would cheat her way past death as she had done in the past.

Regarding the topic on why people hate DAII, I no longer feel any inclination to cite my reasons for it. At least not in-depth. I've done it for many moons now on many threads before this.

I can however sum up my feelings when playing the game with one gif



Playing DAII ended up making me cry. And they weren't tears of joy. It was a very painful experience and it still is.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 16 avril 2012 - 02:47 .

[slashthedragon]

Angry Joe (on YouTube) has an excellent review on DA:2, with what he felt was done right and wrong (and it's hilarious).

[Shaftell]

@slashthedragon: thanks a lot! i'll check it out! I love his ME3 stuff!

[Mokthar]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

keesio74 wrote...

Shaftell wrote...

@ cascadechrisso: The weapons were a bit over the top... The two handed swords are overly big... very final fantasy... Can you tell me about the plot holes? Or your face palm moments... I didn't understand the Flemeth thing... I thought we killed her in the 1st game?

She apparently placed some of her life essence into the amulet that Hawke carried to Sundermount and Merrill did the ritural that revived her. The scene in Lothering when Flemeth rescues them is before The warden kills Flemeth (if you killed her in your plauthrough)

Right.

We were told numerous times in DAO that Flemeth wouldn't stay dead and would cheat her way past death as she had done in the past.

Regarding the topic on why people hate DAII, I no longer feel any inclination to cite my reasons for it. At least not in-depth. I've done it for many moons now on many threads before this.

I can however sum up my feelings when playing the game with one gif


Playing DAII ended up making me cry. And they weren't tears of joy. It was a very painful experience and it still is.

Did you really cry?
Have you played Mass Effect 3?

[TEWR]

Did you really cry?

Yes. I bawled my eyes out, drowning my PS3 in my tears. From which, those tears traveled the world and went into Bioware's sustenance machine.

Well, my inner self did. My outer self was just angry.

Have you played Mass Effect 3?

Never played the ME series, though I've heard about the bad endings. I imagine if I had played the ME games, I might've cried.

Though from what I'm led to believe, the actual game prior to the ending was fairly solid and choices were handled pretty well. But then the ending sort of took a massive **** on the series as a whole. Or so I gather from the various threads associated with it.

Still, I'd argue that's better then DAII, where choices are meaningless for about 98% of the game.

But as I said, I never played the series so I can't really discuss it and I won't presume to know what I'm talking about.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 16 avril 2012 - 09:17 .

[DPSSOC]

I don't hate DA2, it's fun if nothing else, but there's a lot I don't like about it.

Choices don't matter - Now I don't need world altering decisions in every game, I'm fine that my PC can't shape the world, but our choices in the game don't matter within their own context. Whether I pick A, B, or C in Act 1 I'm always going to get D and E, without variation, in 2 and 3.

Lack of options for the sake of plot - There are so many times in the game where Hawke, if he/she had two brain cells to knock together, could have resolved issues years in advance of them ever becoming a problem, but we weren't given the option. Now I get that this has to happen every now and again (I couldn't point out that Howe and Loghain were evil for example despite it being obvious to anyone with eyes), but it happens to Hawke in every other quest.

1 dimensional companions - There's nothing to any of our companions in DA2 they have their thing and that's it (Pirate, Slave, Guard Captain, etc.). Which is really sad because Bioware is normally great with characters, and they couldn't make me give a damn about any of these people.

Everyone's insane - There isn't a single sane person we deal with throughout the entire game, and I get that Kirkwall is Crazy Central but it just screams of laziness. "Ok so the player comes across this group of mages and they attack him."
"Why?"
"Um...because they're crazy."

Time skips - This again is mainly because it comes across as lazy. The time skips just give the writers a way to take some minor thing from the previous Act and turn it into the focus of the next one, without ever having to explain what happened.

Enemy Waves - Who are these people, where are they coming from, why after slaughtering the first 2 dozen without so much as a health potion are these people still coming? Wave after wave of enemies works with Darkspawn or Summoners because the former are mindless and the latter are using expendable troops, but no human being is going to watch four people tear through 10-20 of their friends and think, "Yeah I can take 'em."

[Wesley Wyndam Price]

DA:2 was a unfinished watered down product with staggering plot-holes, rehashed environments, and deeply annoying trash encounters.

DA:O, even with it's flaws (while minor in comparison) was such a crowning achievement DA:2 was a massive let down for me. I expected so much more from Bioware

In comparison I played through DA:O at least a half dozen times and got every achievement. After playing through the sequel I couldn't bear to play through it even one more time until a year later. I just finished my second playthrough and it's still an utter disappointment.

[BigBad]

I hated DA2 because I always felt like I was playing the least badass character in the party. No matter what your character is good at, there is a companion who is better at it. No matter what you do, all the major events of the game are initiated and exacerbated by NPCs, so that Hawke felt like a spectator most of the time.

Plus, the art style was horrible. From the very JRPG character designs, the ridiculous look of the armors (especially Champion warrior armor), and the extremely limited level designs to the landscape (Kirkwall is about as boring to look at as the Imperial City in Oblivion.

There's also the fact that the central conflict of Act III is so poorly supported. Picking sides is basically down to a coin toss once you realize that the templars have a point (literally every single mage in the game aside from Bethany, some merchants, and -maybe- Hawke are blood mages or abominations) and the mages have a point (there are a lot, though by no means all, templars abusing their power and mages are basically chattel slaves in the Circle). You don't really have a reason to root for anyone, but the game forces you to choose sides.

[jbrand2002uk]

I dont hate it at all a few things could have had more work on them sure while I enjoy DAO I'm glad they tried something totally different for the second game rather than do DAO Fan worship which would have resulted in Dragon Age becoming like EA's 2 big franchises Tiger Woods and FIFA( 5 consecutive games each identical to the previous one with virtually no imagination or creativity whatsoever)

Variety is the spice of life, so I'd rather Bioware keep up with trying new idea's even if they don't always pull them off rather than see the franchise degenerate into a stagnated cesspool due to "fan worship" At the end of the day if "fans" don't like the direction its simple, don't buy the product nobody's got a gun to your head forcing you to buy the product.

And actually Faerunner contrary to what you "claim" they didn't "chcuk the old one out and completely replace it with a newer one" much of the core principals and themes were kept and lets not forget many of the changes were made to try and address the complaints leveled at DAO.

I would also add that what comes across as a hardcore gamer elitist attitude towards "casual gamers" doesn't help hardcore RPG'ers like myself and truth be told many "hardcore RPG players would say DAO wasnt hardcore enough since as you could carry 125 items in a backpack including many weapons and armour and were was the need to eat,drink and sleep etc.

Personally I find the whole fanfare about the races and origins over rated as they have little impact besides some extra lines of dialogue and whether your allowed to become king/queen and the dialogue wasnt really witty at all rather it was very predictable whereas some of the dialogue in DA2 had me in Stitches it was that funny.

Dont get me started of the combat because apart from the deathblows it was mind numbing tedious shufflefest times infinity as the the monster designs they're neither very creative or original all are pretty much standard fare including the Darkspawn and "epic fantasy" puuleeese its about as epic as a fart in a spacesuit and about creative as using a chocolate satelite to orbit the sun.

So please for all our sakes take off the rose tinted specs when it comes to DAO DA2 wasnt the best RPG by a long shot however DAO was no masterpiece either and no sales figures and Awards are no indicator of quality they are purely indicators that some people liked them at that time nothing more

[LobselVith8]

BigBad wrote...

There's also the fact that the central conflict of Act III is so poorly supported. Picking sides is basically down to a coin toss once you realize that the templars have a point (literally every single mage in the game aside from Bethany, some merchants, and -maybe- Hawke are blood mages or abominations) and the mages have a point (there are a lot, though by no means all, templars abusing their power and mages are basically chattel slaves in the Circle). You don't really have a reason to root for anyone, but the game forces you to choose sides.

The problem is the final choice has nothing to do with the dichotomy between mages and templars. Meredith says as much when she makes it clear the Right is about appeasing the people, who she says will demand blood.

[keesio74]

DPSSOC wrote...


1 dimensional companions - There's nothing to any of our companions in DA2 they have their thing and that's it (Pirate, Slave, Guard Captain, etc.). Which is really sad because Bioware is normally great with characters, and they couldn't make me give a damn about any of these people.

Let's see... in DA:O we had goth chick, la femme nikita french chick, drunken lewd dwarf, smooth hypersexual mediterranean, old wise woman, etc. 

Honestly I don't see how DA:O characters are so complex and interesting and DA2 is 1-D. I liked and disliked characters from both games.

[Sharn01]

Wasnt there a thread with almost the exact same title just a week ago?

[DPSSOC]

keesio74 wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...


1 dimensional companions - There's nothing to any of our companions in DA2 they have their thing and that's it (Pirate, Slave, Guard Captain, etc.). Which is really sad because Bioware is normally great with characters, and they couldn't make me give a damn about any of these people.

Let's see... in DA:O we had goth chick, la femme nikita french chick, drunken lewd dwarf, smooth hypersexual mediterranean, old wise woman, etc. 

Honestly I don't see how DA:O characters are so complex and interesting and DA2 is 1-D. I liked and disliked characters from both games.

Development.  Over the course of DA:O your companions attitudes can shift, Alistair can become a bit more cynical, Morrigan can learn the value of friendship, etc. it's all fairly standard and cliche but it's there.  Sten's a good example, when you first pick him up he doesn't hold a very high opinion of you (he's shocked to find out that you're a Grey Warden) but over the course of the game you can earn his respect.  You don't get this shift in DA2 (IMO), Fenris in Act 1 is an angry slave and even after killing his former master in Act 3 he's still an angry slave.