It is interesting to read. Maybe it is just your profile pic that makes you stand out but I seem to always find you on almost every post. Just an intriguing thought. Holmes out!Dridengx wrote...
jtrook wrote...
Why do I see you on EVERY post about the endings
Why are you entering EVERY thread about the endings to come to that assumption? we all go to the same threads posted on the forum? How about I let you decide this case detective
Vasarkian wrote...
HenchxNarf wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
You just misquoted Jessica in the first place. If you're going to quote Jessica even if incorrectly, don't forget that she later stated that statistics show that the vocal part represents a non vocal part as well, and that's generally MUCH larger.
You're just a troll right now, I'll respond again when you stop being one.
LOL You need to learn what a troll is. I'm not a troll for calling you wrong.
BW has NOT released any numbers as to who is satisfied/dis-satisfied with the game/ending. They will likely never know enough numbers to release anything concrete, which is why they haven't said anything in the first place.
Her statement was that 8-9% of the community is considered vocal, and that they represent a much larger percent that is non-vocal and that it isn't insignificant.
If you're going to quote people do it correctly. So long as you don't, you are just trolling and continually ignoring facts.
Other information HAS ALSO been indicated, and NUMEROUS polls across the entirety of the internet where people congregate have also ALL led to the majority disliking the ending in some capacity or entirely.
Vasarkian wrote...
HenchxNarf wrote...
They have not released any numbers. The only statistic that has been released is from Jessica saying that the vocal minority is 9% who are angry.
Maybe you need to go back and read what has been said.
You just misquoted Jessica in the first place. If you're going to quote Jessica even if incorrectly, don't forget that she later stated that statistics show that the vocal part represents a non vocal part as well, and that's generally MUCH larger.
You're just a troll right now, I'll respond again when you stop being one.
Guest_aLucidMind_*
I know lol I was just saying "millions" in-general because I've heard it said before as well, even though it hasn't been millions sold. Maybe two at the most.Degs29 wrote...
I'd like to clarify that I didn't actually say that millions of people hated the ending.aLucidMind wrote...
To be fair, neither side can really say exactly how many people liked or disliked the ending since the vast majority will not be posting on the internet one way or the other. So while claiming "millions of people" is wrong, it is just as incorrect to say that there aren't even a quarter of one-million who dislike the ending.
thunderhawk862002 wrote...
Where is the thread with the 9% quote. I highly doubt that a company like EA would spend money to develop a DLC to be offered for free with only 9% of the people not happy.
HenchxNarf wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
HenchxNarf wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
You just misquoted Jessica in the first place. If you're going to quote Jessica even if incorrectly, don't forget that she later stated that statistics show that the vocal part represents a non vocal part as well, and that's generally MUCH larger.
You're just a troll right now, I'll respond again when you stop being one.
LOL You need to learn what a troll is. I'm not a troll for calling you wrong.
BW has NOT released any numbers as to who is satisfied/dis-satisfied with the game/ending. They will likely never know enough numbers to release anything concrete, which is why they haven't said anything in the first place.
Her statement was that 8-9% of the community is considered vocal, and that they represent a much larger percent that is non-vocal and that it isn't insignificant.
If you're going to quote people do it correctly. So long as you don't, you are just trolling and continually ignoring facts.
Other information HAS ALSO been indicated, and NUMEROUS polls across the entirety of the internet where people congregate have also ALL led to the majority disliking the ending in some capacity or entirely.
And these other polls have been populated by people from BSN and the like who go to numerous sites and vote on the polls. The polls are not concrete numbers.
Garlador wrote...
As a creator of games myself with hopes of working for a team like Bioware, I believe that games are a powerful force of innovation and story crafting. A tool to give those that experience these games unforgettable and intimate moments that books, comics, and movies just can't contend with.
But one should NEVER shield themselves from humility and criticism behind a veil of "artistic integrity". My teachers taught me that the first semester; it's a commercial art. Yes, it is art, but it is also very much COMMERCIAL.
To quote a friend of mine who worked on a bad game, he said "nobody PLANS on making a bad game or making gamers angry." He's right. Even the worst game, or especially a mediocre game, is still a labor of love from many talented people that poured their heart and soul into a failed product. The graphics could be brilliant, but the gameplay could be terrible. The gameplay could be great, but maybe the graphics sucked. The story could've been great, but the voice actors ruined it. You did your job perfectly, and someone ELSE on the team botched it.
So many things can go wrong that ruin a good thing.
Mass Effect 3 is not immune to criticism. Nor should it. It succeeds in many areas.
But, being perfectly honest, the ending does NOT succeed. It violates and tarnishes the lore and established rules of the universe, disrespects its audience, betrays even the most basic of literary standards of story-crafting, and ultimately has become a universally loathed and hated stain on an otherwise beautiful work of art.
Bioware can be proud of many things. It should not be proud of that ending. I'm sorry; I know that hurts to be told that something you worked hard on failed, but it did, and you can either be mature enough to accept the criticism or fall to your ego and plead your case for its perfection in the face of overwhelming negativity.
Be proud, Bioware. You made a great game with great characters with great story moments, great setpieces, great characters, great music, great gameplay, great detail... but you should not be proud of that ending.
And especially don't tell me "hell yeah, we're proud of it", either. A commercial work is worthy of praise if your audience TELLS you it is.
And the ending isn't worth any praise.
You're still a great company with great ideas. You've had great successes, even in ME3. Be proud of those. But when it comes to a point of negativity, a point of criticism, a point of bitterness and heartache, resist the call to go on the defensive. The customer is always right; you blew it there.
And so what? Fix it. Rectify it. And then move on. You'll get a few bruises, but you'll have the knowledge to avoid those problems in the future. No work is perfect, but don't pretend that a universally hated part of your work IS perfect when it quite clearly, logically, and thematically is not.
HenchxNarf wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
You just misquoted Jessica in the first place. If you're going to quote Jessica even if incorrectly, don't forget that she later stated that statistics show that the vocal part represents a non vocal part as well, and that's generally MUCH larger.
You're just a troll right now, I'll respond again when you stop being one.
LOL You need to learn what a troll is. I'm not a troll for calling you wrong.
BW has NOT released any numbers as to who is satisfied/dis-satisfied with the game/ending. They will likely never know enough numbers to release anything concrete, which is why they haven't said anything in the first place.
aLucidMind wrote...
Dridengx wrote...
Well for one.. there isn't millions of fans who didn't like the ending, it wasn't even a quarter of a million. Many people are happy with ME3. So your argument is broken. If a few thousand get mad, move on, you can't force their hands and demand a company to do what you want.. you take it or leave it.
To be fair, neither side can really say exactly how many people liked or disliked the ending since the vast majority will not be posting on the internet one way or the other. So while claiming "millions of people" is wrong, it is just as incorrect to say that there aren't even a quarter of one-million who dislike the ending.
Modifié par Dridengx, 16 avril 2012 - 03:05 .
HenchxNarf wrote...
thunderhawk862002 wrote...
Where is the thread with the 9% quote. I highly doubt that a company like EA would spend money to develop a DLC to be offered for free with only 9% of the people not happy.
Yeah they would. They want people to understand the endings that they made. That they're sticking by. If such a high number complained, they would have re-done the endings, like the masses wanted. But they haven't. They decided to just clarify what they already had.
AJRimmsey wrote...
HenchxNarf wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
You just misquoted Jessica in the first place. If you're going to quote Jessica even if incorrectly, don't forget that she later stated that statistics show that the vocal part represents a non vocal part as well, and that's generally MUCH larger.
You're just a troll right now, I'll respond again when you stop being one.
LOL You need to learn what a troll is. I'm not a troll for calling you wrong.
BW has NOT released any numbers as to who is satisfied/dis-satisfied with the game/ending. They will likely never know enough numbers to release anything concrete, which is why they haven't said anything in the first place.
hes the guy who said its a fact father jerusalem was attacking people in a forum neither he nor father J could post in.
facts dont mean much to his logic.
oh and his idea of a troll is anyone who questions his logic
AJRimmsey wrote...
HenchxNarf wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
You just misquoted Jessica in the first place. If you're going to quote Jessica even if incorrectly, don't forget that she later stated that statistics show that the vocal part represents a non vocal part as well, and that's generally MUCH larger.
You're just a troll right now, I'll respond again when you stop being one.
LOL You need to learn what a troll is. I'm not a troll for calling you wrong.
BW has NOT released any numbers as to who is satisfied/dis-satisfied with the game/ending. They will likely never know enough numbers to release anything concrete, which is why they haven't said anything in the first place.
hes the guy who said its a fact father jerusalem was attacking people in a forum neither he nor father J could post in.
facts dont mean much to his logic.
oh and his idea of a troll is anyone who questions his logic
HenchxNarf wrote...
thunderhawk862002 wrote...
Where is the thread with the 9% quote. I highly doubt that a company like EA would spend money to develop a DLC to be offered for free with only 9% of the people not happy.
Yeah they would. They want people to understand the endings that they made. That they're sticking by. If such a high number complained, they would have re-done the endings, like the masses wanted. But they haven't. They decided to just clarify what they already had.
Dridengx wrote...
aLucidMind wrote...
Dridengx wrote...
Well for one.. there isn't millions of fans who didn't like the ending, it wasn't even a quarter of a million. Many people are happy with ME3. So your argument is broken. If a few thousand get mad, move on, you can't force their hands and demand a company to do what you want.. you take it or leave it.
To be fair, neither side can really say exactly how many people liked or disliked the ending since the vast majority will not be posting on the internet one way or the other. So while claiming "millions of people" is wrong, it is just as incorrect to say that there aren't even a quarter of one-million who dislike the ending.
not exactly. complainers and unhappy people complain. Happy people do not. If I sell 3 million copies and next year I sell 2.8 million copies, it shows interest in my product is going down, fans didn't like it.. now if I sell 3 million copies, next year I sell 5 million copies, its safe to say I'm gaining fans right?
Numbers are showing exactly how large the outcry for disliking the ending is. a mere 52,000 to 200,000 people based on groups, facebook, twitter, BSN polls, tumblr etc. It's far easier to make a claim millions loved ME3 especially when you visit forums across the net and people loved it. Then it is to lie and say millions of ME3 fans hated the game.
Why? because business analysts and community managers who've been doing stuff like this for years claim 90% of fans remain silent when happy. It's pretty safe to assume those quiet millions enjoyed the ending
Dridengx wrote...
aLucidMind wrote...
Dridengx wrote...
Well for one.. there isn't millions of fans who didn't like the ending, it wasn't even a quarter of a million. Many people are happy with ME3. So your argument is broken. If a few thousand get mad, move on, you can't force their hands and demand a company to do what you want.. you take it or leave it.
To be fair, neither side can really say exactly how many people liked or disliked the ending since the vast majority will not be posting on the internet one way or the other. So while claiming "millions of people" is wrong, it is just as incorrect to say that there aren't even a quarter of one-million who dislike the ending.
not exactly. complainers and unhappy people complain. Happy people do not. If I sell 3 million copies and next year I sell 2.8 million copies, it shows interest in my product is going down, fans didn't like it.. now if I sell 3 million copies, next year I sell 5 million copies, its safe to say I'm gaining fans right?
Numbers are showing exactly how large the outcry for disliking the ending is. a mere 52,000 to 200,000 people based on groups, facebook, twitter, BSN polls, tumblr etc. It's far easier to make a claim millions loved ME3 especially when you visit forums across the net and people loved it. Then it is to lie and say millions of ME3 fans hated the game.
Why? because business analysts and community managers who've been doing stuff like this for years claim 90% of fans remain silent when happy. It's pretty safe to assume those quiet millions enjoyed the ending
HenchxNarf wrote...
AJRimmsey wrote...
HenchxNarf wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
You just misquoted Jessica in the first place. If you're going to quote Jessica even if incorrectly, don't forget that she later stated that statistics show that the vocal part represents a non vocal part as well, and that's generally MUCH larger.
You're just a troll right now, I'll respond again when you stop being one.
LOL You need to learn what a troll is. I'm not a troll for calling you wrong.
BW has NOT released any numbers as to who is satisfied/dis-satisfied with the game/ending. They will likely never know enough numbers to release anything concrete, which is why they haven't said anything in the first place.
hes the guy who said its a fact father jerusalem was attacking people in a forum neither he nor father J could post in.
facts dont mean much to his logic.
oh and his idea of a troll is anyone who questions his logic
I figured that one out.
Actually I could pretty much name the true trolls that visit these threads.
Banelash wrote...
Dridengx wrote...
Degs29 wrote...
you can easily say disappointed fans outway satisfied fans by an enormous margin, and that sample can be applied to the larger fanbase population.
You can easily say it just I could easily say I'm A Prime Minister of England but it doesn't make it true. You have no facts, you have no numbers good enoough to prove you are nothing but the size of Retake itself a mere few thousand who btw didn't like the ending, not that they wanted it changed
Obviously ignorance is bliss for some. Please go read up about statistics before making arguments that clearly show your immaturity and ignorance.
You don't think all 4 million players are on this server did you? Use your brain for once.
Modifié par Dridengx, 16 avril 2012 - 03:11 .
Vasarkian wrote...
AJRimmsey wrote...
HenchxNarf wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
You just misquoted Jessica in the first place. If you're going to quote Jessica even if incorrectly, don't forget that she later stated that statistics show that the vocal part represents a non vocal part as well, and that's generally MUCH larger.
You're just a troll right now, I'll respond again when you stop being one.
LOL You need to learn what a troll is. I'm not a troll for calling you wrong.
BW has NOT released any numbers as to who is satisfied/dis-satisfied with the game/ending. They will likely never know enough numbers to release anything concrete, which is why they haven't said anything in the first place.
hes the guy who said its a fact father jerusalem was attacking people in a forum neither he nor father J could post in.
facts dont mean much to his logic.
oh and his idea of a troll is anyone who questions his logic
Actually I've defined what troll means and it wasn't that.
And AJ, I'm pretty sure even the pro-enders know by now that you're just a troll posting for kicks or to waste away your time.
I also already discussed your issue and redirected it back at the person and clarified and still pointed out their hypocrisy and immaturity and inappropriate behavior.
You remain however, the best exercise for the report button.
thunderhawk862002 wrote...
HenchxNarf wrote...
thunderhawk862002 wrote...
Where is the thread with the 9% quote. I highly doubt that a company like EA would spend money to develop a DLC to be offered for free with only 9% of the people not happy.
Yeah they would. They want people to understand the endings that they made. That they're sticking by. If such a high number complained, they would have re-done the endings, like the masses wanted. But they haven't. They decided to just clarify what they already had.
No, they would have just talked about them at a conference or over twitter or on the forums. Or they would have made it paid content. Plus how long did it take them to announce it anyway? They kept trying to put it off as long as they could. It would be really dumb of EA to give anything for free if less than 10% of the people have problems with the ending. I"m sure the shareholders would love that.
Banelash wrote...
Dridengx wrote...
Degs29 wrote...
you can easily say disappointed fans outway satisfied fans by an enormous margin, and that sample can be applied to the larger fanbase population.
You can easily say it just I could easily say I'm A Prime Minister of England but it doesn't make it true. You have no facts, you have no numbers good enoough to prove you are nothing but the size of Retake itself a mere few thousand who btw didn't like the ending, not that they wanted it changed
Obviously ignorance is bliss for some. Please go read up about statistics before making arguments that clearly show your immaturity and ignorance.
You don't think all 4 million players are on this server did you? Use your brain for once.
Modifié par Degs29, 16 avril 2012 - 03:12 .
be civil. you both make good points but calling each other immature and going Grammar and spelling police on people will not convince others you are right.Dridengx wrote...
Banelash wrote...
Dridengx wrote...
Degs29 wrote...
you can easily say disappointed fans outway satisfied fans by an enormous margin, and that sample can be applied to the larger fanbase population.
You can easily say it just I could easily say I'm A Prime Minister of England but it doesn't make it true. You have no facts, you have no numbers good enoough to prove you are nothing but the size of Retake itself a mere few thousand who btw didn't like the ending, not that they wanted it changed
Obviously ignorance is bliss for some. Please go read up about statistics before making arguments that clearly show your immaturity and ignorance.
You don't think all 4 million players are on this server did you? Use your brain for once.
It requires a brain to type btw, did you not learn that? also, you seem awfully upset over my posts showing proof you are nothing but a minority even on the internet. Does it hurt bad? ignorance apparently is bliss for you to continue to fight against strangers on your defense of attacking and trolling a software company over a video game ending lol. You showing maturity dwelling on these boards whining for 7 weeks? yeah okay
why don't you give more money to charity Bioware could use more cupcakes to giveaway
Modifié par jtrook, 16 avril 2012 - 03:11 .
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
AJRimmsey wrote...
HenchxNarf wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
You just misquoted Jessica in the first place. If you're going to quote Jessica even if incorrectly, don't forget that she later stated that statistics show that the vocal part represents a non vocal part as well, and that's generally MUCH larger.
You're just a troll right now, I'll respond again when you stop being one.
LOL You need to learn what a troll is. I'm not a troll for calling you wrong.
BW has NOT released any numbers as to who is satisfied/dis-satisfied with the game/ending. They will likely never know enough numbers to release anything concrete, which is why they haven't said anything in the first place.
hes the guy who said its a fact father jerusalem was attacking people in a forum neither he nor father J could post in.
facts dont mean much to his logic.
oh and his idea of a troll is anyone who questions his logic
Actually I've defined what troll means and it wasn't that.
And AJ, I'm pretty sure even the pro-enders know by now that you're just a troll posting for kicks or to waste away your time.
I also already discussed your issue and redirected it back at the person and clarified and still pointed out their hypocrisy and immaturity and inappropriate behavior.
You remain however, the best exercise for the report button.
ACTUALLY you didn't redirect it or clarify it or point out anything, you simply stuck to your assertion of "I saw you being a meaniepoohead" and didn't provide one shred of evidence about it. Also, you maintained that I was posting these things in forum I simply have no access to.
I just stopped responding to you because I don't deal with trolls, and make no mistake, that's precisely what you are.
Just, you know, to clarify things.
Modifié par Vasarkian, 16 avril 2012 - 03:12 .
HenchxNarf wrote...
AJRimmsey wrote...
HenchxNarf wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
You just misquoted Jessica in the first place. If you're going to quote Jessica even if incorrectly, don't forget that she later stated that statistics show that the vocal part represents a non vocal part as well, and that's generally MUCH larger.
You're just a troll right now, I'll respond again when you stop being one.
LOL You need to learn what a troll is. I'm not a troll for calling you wrong.
BW has NOT released any numbers as to who is satisfied/dis-satisfied with the game/ending. They will likely never know enough numbers to release anything concrete, which is why they haven't said anything in the first place.
hes the guy who said its a fact father jerusalem was attacking people in a forum neither he nor father J could post in.
facts dont mean much to his logic.
oh and his idea of a troll is anyone who questions his logic
I figured that one out.
Actually I could pretty much name the true trolls that visit these threads.
Degs29 wrote...
Banelash wrote...
Dridengx wrote...
Degs29 wrote...
you can easily say disappointed fans outway satisfied fans by an enormous margin, and that sample can be applied to the larger fanbase population.
You can easily say it just I could easily say I'm A Prime Minister of England but it doesn't make it true. You have no facts, you have no numbers good enoough to prove you are nothing but the size of Retake itself a mere few thousand who btw didn't like the ending, not that they wanted it changed
Obviously ignorance is bliss for some. Please go read up about statistics before making arguments that clearly show your immaturity and ignorance.
You don't think all 4 million players are on this server did you? Use your brain for once.
For people who don't understand statistics, let me give a quick breakdown of a current poll on this very site:
http://social.biowar...08/polls/31420/
Of the 3,257 people who have voted, 84% say the endings should be changed, 15% say the Extended Cut should be enough, and 1% say the endings are fine the way they are. Now, Mass Effect had shipped 1.5 million copies by April 5...so that's our population size and 3,257 is our sampling size. With those figures, and with a confidence of 99%, that leaves an error of only +/- 2.25%. Meaning that we can say with 99% confidence that the percentage of people who want the endings changed is 81.75% - 86.25%.
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