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[Father_Jerusalem]

Vasarkian wrote...


Perhaps you should of kept reading the posts shortly after your retort back then. Because I very clearly indicated your idiocy, and while I've yet to provide the quotes, I can very much do so if you desire.

"Very clearly indicated your idiocy", yet I'm the one throwing around personal insults?

[Menethra]

Dridengx wrote...

Degs29 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Well for one.. there isn't millions of fans who didn't like the ending, it wasn't even a quarter of a million. Many people are happy with ME3. So your argument is broken. If a few thousand get mad, move on, you can't force their hands and demand a company to do what you want.. you take it or leave it.

Polls are showing that roughly 80 - 90% of fans found the endings lacking.  While polls usually capture the opinions of the most vocal, both sides are still represented in that regard..

Here we go with the tired polls defense. Do you realize how many people voted on those polls? don't get stuck on the percentage that's in your favor, look at the numbers. they are pitiful in comparison to the consumer and fan base

Yet if the roles were reversed and polls showed more pro enders than anti enders you'd be linking it all over the place trying to back up your claims. Funny how that works huh? Something works against you, hell it must be wrong.

[Vasarkian]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...


Perhaps you should of kept reading the posts shortly after your retort back then. Because I very clearly indicated your idiocy, and while I've yet to provide the quotes, I can very much do so if you desire.

"Very clearly indicated your idiocy", yet I'm the one throwing around personal insults?

So long as the dictionary term of "idiocy" fits your behavior I will use it as a classification much like you're a human. When you stop, then I will. But I've looked up every term you use incorrectly, and they are always used illogically.

[Dridengx]

jtrook wrote...
be civil. you both make good points  but calling each other immature and going Grammar and spelling police on people will not convince others you are right. 

I was having a discussion and he quoted me with his immature name calling and whining. I guess not enough of his side got banned today. I won't lower myself to his level, I don't think it's possible

[Father_Jerusalem]

Degs29 wrote...

Banelash wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Degs29 wrote...
you can easily say disappointed fans outway satisfied fans by an enormous margin, and that sample can be applied to the larger fanbase population.

You can easily say it just I could easily say I'm A  Prime Minister of England but it doesn't make it true. You have no facts, you have no numbers good enoough to prove you are nothing but the size of Retake itself a mere few thousand who btw didn't like the ending, not that they wanted it changed

Obviously ignorance is bliss for some. Please go read up about statistics before making arguments that clearly show your immaturity and ignorance.

You don't think all 4 million players are on this server did you? Use your brain for once.

For people who don't understand statistics, let me give a quick breakdown of a current poll on this very site:

http://social.biowar...08/polls/31420/

Of the 3,257 people who have voted, 84% say the endings should be changed, 15% say the Extended Cut should be enough, and 1% say the endings are fine the way they are.  Now, Mass Effect had shipped 1.5 million copies by April 5...so that's our population size and 3,257 is our sampling size.  With those figures, and with a confidence of 99%, that leaves an error of only +/- 2.25%.  Meaning that we can say with 99% confidence that the percentage of people who want the endings changed is 81.75% - 86.25%. 

While 3,257 people are only 0.2% of the total population, statistical analysis allows us to extrapolate those results with significant accuracy.

Well, clearly you don't understand statistics, or you'd understand that a poll drawing from a self-selecting pool of respondants, allowing multiple votes, and advertised in a way to get one specific result ("come tell BioWare how much you hated the ending") cannot, under any circumstances, be seen as valid. 

[kbct]

Degs29 wrote...

For people who don't understand statistics, let me give a quick breakdown of a current poll on this very site:

http://social.biowar...08/polls/31420/

Of the 3,257 people who have voted, 84% say the endings should be changed, 15% say the Extended Cut should be enough, and 1% say the endings are fine the way they are.  Now, Mass Effect had shipped 1.5 million copies by April 5...so that's our population size and 3,257 is our sampling size.  With those figures, and with a confidence of 99%, that leaves an error of only +/- 2.25%.  Meaning that we can say with 99% confidence that the percentage of people who want the endings changed is 81.75% - 86.25%. 

While 3,257 people are only 0.2% of the total population, statistical analysis allows us to extrapolate those results with significant accuracy.

They are gonna hit you with self-selecting bias. They want to say BSN is completely uncorrelated with ME3 owners. It doesn't matter how big a poll gets or how lopsided the results. They say you can't infer ANYTHING about the population.

By they way, they liked the ending. Coincidence?

Modifié par kbct, 16 avril 2012 - 03:15 .

[AJRimmsey]

Vasarkian wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...


Perhaps you should of kept reading the posts shortly after your retort back then. Because I very clearly indicated your idiocy, and while I've yet to provide the quotes, I can very much do so if you desire.

"Very clearly indicated your idiocy", yet I'm the one throwing around personal insults?

So long as the dictionary term of "idiocy" fits your behavior I will use it as a classification much like you're a human. When you stop, then I will. But I've looked up every term you use incorrectly, and they are always used illogically.

didnt you just tell people to read and adhere to your sig ?

and here you go again insulting people first ?

deja vue ?

damn i did it again

[HenchxNarf]

Menethra wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Degs29 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Well for one.. there isn't millions of fans who didn't like the ending, it wasn't even a quarter of a million. Many people are happy with ME3. So your argument is broken. If a few thousand get mad, move on, you can't force their hands and demand a company to do what you want.. you take it or leave it.

Polls are showing that roughly 80 - 90% of fans found the endings lacking.  While polls usually capture the opinions of the most vocal, both sides are still represented in that regard..

Here we go with the tired polls defense. Do you realize how many people voted on those polls? don't get stuck on the percentage that's in your favor, look at the numbers. they are pitiful in comparison to the consumer and fan base

Yet if the roles were reversed and polls showed more pro enders than anti enders you'd be linking it all over the place trying to back up your claims. Funny how that works huh? Something works against you, hell it must be wrong.

I think the point is that the numbers are wrong, and that the polls are a moot point.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Vasarkian wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...


Perhaps you should of kept reading the posts shortly after your retort back then. Because I very clearly indicated your idiocy, and while I've yet to provide the quotes, I can very much do so if you desire.

"Very clearly indicated your idiocy", yet I'm the one throwing around personal insults?

So long as the dictionary term of "idiocy" fits your behavior I will use it as a classification much like you're a human. When you stop, then I will. But I've looked up every term you use incorrectly, and they are always used illogically.

I don't use terms incorrectly, I'm afraid. Everything I say is worded correctly and logically. You, good sir, are not living up to the values your signature espouses with your continued personal attacks. For shame.

[Legion64]

I think a good majority hates the ending.

[Vasarkian]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...


Perhaps you should of kept reading the posts shortly after your retort back then. Because I very clearly indicated your idiocy, and while I've yet to provide the quotes, I can very much do so if you desire.

"Very clearly indicated your idiocy", yet I'm the one throwing around personal insults?

So long as the dictionary term of "idiocy" fits your behavior I will use it as a classification much like you're a human. When you stop, then I will. But I've looked up every term you use incorrectly, and they are always used illogically.

didnt you just tell people to read and adhere to your sig ?

and here you go again insulting people first ?

deja vue ?

damn i did it again

I have already responded to you on this issue.

The only way my signature works is with people who are mature, and logically with people I can actually meet or other people can meet with. If they aren't mature, they aren't going to be prone to such discussion so there's no option available for that. But in an ideal situation that's the best choice.

[thunderhawk862002]

HenchxNarf wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Where is the thread with the 9% quote.  I highly doubt that a company like EA would spend money to develop a DLC to be offered for free with only 9% of the people not happy.

Yeah they would. They want people to understand the endings that they made. That they're sticking by. If such a high number complained, they would have re-done the endings, like the masses wanted. But they haven't. They decided to just clarify what they already had.

No, they would have just talked about them at a conference or over twitter or on the forums.  Or they would have made it paid content.   Plus how long did it take them to announce it anyway?  They kept trying to put it off as long as they could.  It would be really dumb of EA to give anything for free if less than 10% of the people have problems with the ending.  I"m sure the shareholders would love that.

They weren't putting it off. They wanted to make sure they had their ducks in a row first.

It wouldn't be dumb. If they planned to give MP DLC for free, why would it be dumb to give a simple epilougue explanation for free? It cost them very little to slap a cutscene and a few slides together.

Except you don't know how much it's costing them.  Are the voice actors going to be needed? How many writers are they paying? How are they getting around Microsoft's no free DLC?  How many artists is it taking?  Are they going to spend money promoting it?  Not to mention the tech support.  Each day it takes to make costs EA money.  I wouldn't be happy as a shareholder if they were doing it because 9% of the buyers aren't happy.  Especially not if it's being done for free.

[Vasarkian]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...


Perhaps you should of kept reading the posts shortly after your retort back then. Because I very clearly indicated your idiocy, and while I've yet to provide the quotes, I can very much do so if you desire.

"Very clearly indicated your idiocy", yet I'm the one throwing around personal insults?

So long as the dictionary term of "idiocy" fits your behavior I will use it as a classification much like you're a human. When you stop, then I will. But I've looked up every term you use incorrectly, and they are always used illogically.

I don't use terms incorrectly, I'm afraid. Everything I say is worded correctly and logically. You, good sir, are not living up to the values your signature espouses with your continued personal attacks. For shame.

You used troll wrong just a few moments ago, doesn't fit the definition.

Now you're a liar.

[Degs29]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Degs29 wrote...

Banelash wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Degs29 wrote...
you can easily say disappointed fans outway satisfied fans by an enormous margin, and that sample can be applied to the larger fanbase population.

You can easily say it just I could easily say I'm A  Prime Minister of England but it doesn't make it true. You have no facts, you have no numbers good enoough to prove you are nothing but the size of Retake itself a mere few thousand who btw didn't like the ending, not that they wanted it changed

Obviously ignorance is bliss for some. Please go read up about statistics before making arguments that clearly show your immaturity and ignorance.

You don't think all 4 million players are on this server did you? Use your brain for once.

For people who don't understand statistics, let me give a quick breakdown of a current poll on this very site:

http://social.biowar...08/polls/31420/

Of the 3,257 people who have voted, 84% say the endings should be changed, 15% say the Extended Cut should be enough, and 1% say the endings are fine the way they are.  Now, Mass Effect had shipped 1.5 million copies by April 5...so that's our population size and 3,257 is our sampling size.  With those figures, and with a confidence of 99%, that leaves an error of only +/- 2.25%.  Meaning that we can say with 99% confidence that the percentage of people who want the endings changed is 81.75% - 86.25%. 

BSN =/= the whole fandom. Or even a fraction of the fandom.

Especially when it was proven that people could vote on that poll more than once.

You do get the point of what I'm saying though, right?  Even if every single person who voted the endings were bad voted twice, and those who thought they were good voted only once...it wouldn't come near to skewing the poll enough to make a difference.  It would still mean over 72% of people are in favour of a new ending.  And who wants to argue that they all voted twice anyway?

[jtrook]

Dridengx wrote...

jtrook wrote...
be civil. you both make good points  but calling each other immature and going Grammar and spelling police on people will not convince others you are right. 

I was having a discussion and he quoted me with his immature name calling and whining. I guess not enough of his side got banned today. I won't lower myself to his level, I don't think it's possible

Be nice. Both of you are passionate about a great game and while you and I don't agree on the ending we can discuss our disagreements in a civil manner. If one of us gets upset or mad then you have the right to walk away and the other person looks like a child. So the message of the day is. Be nice. We have more fun that way. 

[Father_Jerusalem]

Menethra wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Degs29 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Well for one.. there isn't millions of fans who didn't like the ending, it wasn't even a quarter of a million. Many people are happy with ME3. So your argument is broken. If a few thousand get mad, move on, you can't force their hands and demand a company to do what you want.. you take it or leave it.

Polls are showing that roughly 80 - 90% of fans found the endings lacking.  While polls usually capture the opinions of the most vocal, both sides are still represented in that regard..

Here we go with the tired polls defense. Do you realize how many people voted on those polls? don't get stuck on the percentage that's in your favor, look at the numbers. they are pitiful in comparison to the consumer and fan base

Yet if the roles were reversed and polls showed more pro enders than anti enders you'd be linking it all over the place trying to back up your claims. Funny how that works huh? Something works against you, hell it must be wrong.

If the poll that showed more pro enders than anti enders was as tainted and complete trash as the poll used to show more anti enders than pro enders, I would be embarrassed to use it and would hope that it would die a quick death in obscurity. 

But, you know, I have ethics.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Vasarkian wrote...

You used troll wrong just a few moments ago, doesn't fit the definition.

Now you're a liar.

No wonder you accuse BioWare of lying to you in the statements they made. You confuse the truth with lies. It's so clear now.

[Vasarkian]

The people in here on both sides, right or wrong and those attacking us are indeed wrong as they prove by continually ignoring evidence or skewing facts or logic.. will not change.

As such there is no point being in this thread anymore unless they do stop trolling every thread while continually ignoring facts, skewing them, or lying.

[Vasarkian]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Vasarkian wrote...

You used troll wrong just a few moments ago, doesn't fit the definition.

Now you're a liar.

No wonder you accuse BioWare of lying to you in the statements they made. You confuse the truth with lies. It's so clear now.

Actually we accuse them of lying because they blatantly did, and then we quoted every single one of them, numerous times, in numerous threads.

You lied, and now you are ignoring that by focusing on something else, and again proving you're a liar.

Just look up the terms you use in the dictionary before you use them, it'd be so much easier for you. As for other terms not commonly found in the dictionary, acceptable and mature sites still have definitions for them that are accepted by the majority.

[Dridengx]

kbct wrote...

They are gonna hit you with self-selecting bias. They want to say BSN is completely uncorrelated with ME3 owners. It doesn't matter how big a poll gets or how lopsided the results. They say you can't infer ANYTHING about the population.

By they way, they liked the ending. Coincidence?

We can reverse the same logic back against your side and say coincidence they hated the ending. Funny thing is, you and your kind cry and attack everyone who enjoys or posts a different opinion then yourselves while calling everyone trolls and PAID PR.. but your beef is with Bioware and the ending yet spend your lives fighting us lol. Meanwhile people like me, who love Bioware, are here remaining civil and tired of your whining going on a month and a half.

If you hate ME3's ending, Bioware, EA, etc why are you here? no where else to go? we have a reason to be here, we're not disastified in anyway. I suppose  insults and threats to strangers is more fun than enjoying a movie?

[AJRimmsey]

jtrook wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

jtrook wrote...
be civil. you both make good points  but calling each other immature and going Grammar and spelling police on people will not convince others you are right. 

I was having a discussion and he quoted me with his immature name calling and whining. I guess not enough of his side got banned today. I won't lower myself to his level, I don't think it's possible

Be nice. Both of you are passionate about a great game and while you and I don't agree on the ending we can discuss our disagreements in a civil manner. If one of us gets upset or mad then you have the right to walk away and the other person looks like a child. So the message of the day is. Be nice. We have more fun that way. 

retake respect level up another 200 points

[kbct]

aLucidMind wrote...

Considering the game has sold around two million, 200,000 people is significant. Especially when you take into account that for every person that does complain, there are 29 who feel the same way but stay quiet. This is a fact everyone in customer service gets slammed over the head with by their bosses at times lol. If those statistics are true, then you have a percentage of fans much more significant than a "mere" 200,000. This doesn't negate the "90% who are happy stay silent" statistic, it just shows that there are a lot more variables to consider lol.

Good point. You can approach the problem many ways.

[Degs29]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Degs29 wrote...

Banelash wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Degs29 wrote...
you can easily say disappointed fans outway satisfied fans by an enormous margin, and that sample can be applied to the larger fanbase population.

You can easily say it just I could easily say I'm A  Prime Minister of England but it doesn't make it true. You have no facts, you have no numbers good enoough to prove you are nothing but the size of Retake itself a mere few thousand who btw didn't like the ending, not that they wanted it changed

Obviously ignorance is bliss for some. Please go read up about statistics before making arguments that clearly show your immaturity and ignorance.

You don't think all 4 million players are on this server did you? Use your brain for once.

For people who don't understand statistics, let me give a quick breakdown of a current poll on this very site:

http://social.biowar...08/polls/31420/

Of the 3,257 people who have voted, 84% say the endings should be changed, 15% say the Extended Cut should be enough, and 1% say the endings are fine the way they are.  Now, Mass Effect had shipped 1.5 million copies by April 5...so that's our population size and 3,257 is our sampling size.  With those figures, and with a confidence of 99%, that leaves an error of only +/- 2.25%.  Meaning that we can say with 99% confidence that the percentage of people who want the endings changed is 81.75% - 86.25%. 

While 3,257 people are only 0.2% of the total population, statistical analysis allows us to extrapolate those results with significant accuracy.

Well, clearly you don't understand statistics, or you'd understand that a poll drawing from a self-selecting pool of respondants, allowing multiple votes, and advertised in a way to get one specific result ("come tell BioWare how much you hated the ending") cannot, under any circumstances, be seen as valid. 

"Self-selecting" in this case refers to people passionate about the games.  I believe that draws from both sides of this issue, as you and I can attest.  Multiple votes can only significantly skew the results if the sample size is pitiful, or if you have a really, really dedicated a-hole who makes it his mission to skew them lol.  All polls are advertised to get one specific result.  That doesn't make them invalid.

The only way to get an completely valid poll is to contact mass effect 3 users independently of any affiliation with this site or related sites.  You will still not get a significantly varying result.

Modifié par Degs29, 16 avril 2012 - 03:25 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Vasarkian wrote...

The people in here on both sides, right or wrong and those attacking us are indeed wrong as they prove by continually ignoring evidence or skewing facts or logic.. will not change.

As such there is no point being in this thread anymore unless they do stop trolling every thread while continually ignoring facts, skewing them, or lying.

So you're demanding that we sit in the corner and shut up unless we agree with you? We're not allowed to refute you disingenuous assertions? Not allowed to show how your claims are incorrect using actual facts and actual logic? 

A piece of advice, if you will permit me, study this chart and understand why it is utterly impossible to actually have a conversation with you: 
http://twentytwoword...831-634x882.jpg