kbct wrote...
They are gonna hit you with self-selecting bias. They want to say BSN is completely uncorrelated with ME3 owners. It doesn't matter how big a poll gets or how lopsided the results. They say you can't infer ANYTHING about the population.
By they way, they liked the ending. Coincidence?
Vasarkian wrote...
The people in here on both sides, right or wrong and those attacking us are indeed wrong as they prove by continually ignoring evidence or skewing facts or logic.. will not change.
As such there is no point being in this thread anymore unless they do stop trolling every thread while continually ignoring facts, skewing them, or lying.
Vasarkian wrote...
The people in here on both sides, right or wrong and those attacking us are indeed wrong as they prove by continually ignoring evidence or skewing facts or logic.. will not change.
As such there is no point being in this thread anymore unless they do stop trolling every thread while continually ignoring facts, skewing them, or lying.
Vasarkian wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
You used troll wrong just a few moments ago, doesn't fit the definition.
Now you're a liar.
No wonder you accuse BioWare of lying to you in the statements they made. You confuse the truth with lies. It's so clear now.
Actually we accuse them of lying because they blatantly did, and then we quoted every single one of them, numerous times, in numerous threads.
You lied, and now you are ignoring that by focusing on something else, and again proving you're a liar.
Just look up the terms you use in the dictionary before you use them, it'd be so much easier for you. As for other terms not commonly found in the dictionary, acceptable and mature sites still have definitions for them that are accepted by the majority.
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
Vasarkian wrote...
The people in here on both sides, right or wrong and those attacking us are indeed wrong as they prove by continually ignoring evidence or skewing facts or logic.. will not change.
As such there is no point being in this thread anymore unless they do stop trolling every thread while continually ignoring facts, skewing them, or lying.
So you're demanding that we sit in the corner and shut up unless we agree with you? We're not allowed to refute you disingenuous assertions? Not allowed to show how your claims are incorrect using actual facts and actual logic?
A piece of advice, if you will permit me, study this chart and understand why it is utterly impossible to actually have a conversation with you:
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They are here because they still care about BioWare and want them to get out of what they believe to be a decline, but don't want to pay money to reinforce the negative habits they see BioWare has taken up. Like if you have a cousin on drugs, you would be there to help him through his addiction but you wouldn't give him money because you don't want him to just blow it on drugs. Maybe when he cleans up he will gain enough trust back to be lent money. They're here because, as much as they do not trust them or like what they've been doing, they still care about them enough to share their feelings and help them get better, even if "better" is a subjective term in this case.Dridengx wrote...
kbct wrote...
They are gonna hit you with self-selecting bias. They want to say BSN is completely uncorrelated with ME3 owners. It doesn't matter how big a poll gets or how lopsided the results. They say you can't infer ANYTHING about the population.
By they way, they liked the ending. Coincidence?
We can reverse the same logic back against your side and say coincidence they hated the ending. Funny thing is, you and your kind cry and attack everyone who enjoys or posts a different opinion then yourselves while calling everyone trolls and PAID PR.. but your beef is with Bioware and the ending yet spend your lives fighting us lol. Meanwhile people like me, who love Bioware, are here remaining civil and tired of your whining going on a month and a half.
If you hate ME3's ending, Bioware, EA, etc why are you here? no where else to go? we have a reason to be here, we're not disastified in anyway. I suppose insults and threats to strangers is more fun than enjoying a movie?
AlanC9 wrote...
kbct wrote...
They are gonna hit you with self-selecting bias. They want to say BSN is completely uncorrelated with ME3 owners. It doesn't matter how big a poll gets or how lopsided the results. They say you can't infer ANYTHING about the population.
By they way, they liked the ending. Coincidence?
Hey, I thought the ending was kinda meh. Does that count as "liking"?
Degs29 wrote...
"Self-selecting" in this case refers to people passionate about the games. I believe that draws from both sides of this issue, as you and I can attest. Multiple votes can only significantly skew the results if the sample size is pitiful, or if you have a really, really dedicated a-hole who makes it his mission to skew them lol. All polls are advertised to get one specific result. That doesn't make them invalid.
The only way to get an completely valid poll is to contact mass effect 3 users independently of any affiliation with this site or related sites. You will still not get a significantly varying result.
Icinix wrote...
lol @ people saying a majority liked the endings.
No really. Thats gold.
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
And in a fair and equal world, it would. But from the very start, this poll was allowing multiple votes which allowed the "We hate the ending" side to jump out to a huge lead that, quite frankly, disencfranchised anyone who would be pro-ending from voting in it. I think, for example, it's clear that I'm pro-ending. Yet I've never voted in that poll, nor will I. It is simply pointless.
kbct wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
kbct wrote...
They are gonna hit you with self-selecting bias. They want to say BSN is completely uncorrelated with ME3 owners. It doesn't matter how big a poll gets or how lopsided the results. They say you can't infer ANYTHING about the population.
By they way, they liked the ending. Coincidence?
Hey, I thought the ending was kinda meh. Does that count as "liking"?
You tell me. Are you looking forward to the DLC?
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
Degs29 wrote...
"Self-selecting" in this case refers to people passionate about the games. I believe that draws from both sides of this issue, as you and I can attest. Multiple votes can only significantly skew the results if the sample size is pitiful, or if you have a really, really dedicated a-hole who makes it his mission to skew them lol. All polls are advertised to get one specific result. That doesn't make them invalid.
The only way to get an completely valid poll is to contact mass effect 3 users independently of any affiliation with this site or related sites. You will still not get a significantly varying result.
And in a fair and equal world, it would. But from the very start, this poll was allowing multiple votes which allowed the "We hate the ending" side to jump out to a huge lead that, quite frankly, disencfranchised anyone who would be pro-ending from voting in it. I think, for example, it's clear that I'm pro-ending. Yet I've never voted in that poll, nor will I. It is simply pointless.
Unless and until EA does a random survey of registered ME3 ownes, there can be no kind of proof one way or another. Though, for the record, I have never - and will never, without supporting evidence - claim that the pro-ending side is in the majority. I have also conceded - repeatedly - that the anti-ending side is a majority of BSN users. For whatever that's worth.
Hsien wrote...
Well, before ME3 i have never complained or voted on a poll about video game endings. but ME3's ending just left such a bad taste that i finally had to voiced out my distaste for the inane ending.
How many of the million plus people who bought ME3 are dissatisfied like me? We will probably never know, but i am sure there are a fair number of people like me who were never dissatisfied by a game to the point of voicing it out online until ME3's ending.
The ending was a serious mistake, simply because of how good the rest of ME3 was.
I am going to reserve my judgement of the extended cut DLC until i see it and play it, but i really hope bioware can fix the ending issue well enough with their "clarification" and provide me with "closure" if they refuse to redo the entire catalyst nonsense.
kbct wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
And in a fair and equal world, it would. But from the very start, this poll was allowing multiple votes which allowed the "We hate the ending" side to jump out to a huge lead that, quite frankly, disencfranchised anyone who would be pro-ending from voting in it. I think, for example, it's clear that I'm pro-ending. Yet I've never voted in that poll, nor will I. It is simply pointless.
The poll is fine. All the polls around the internet from multiple countries show a majority don't like the ending.
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
I like the ending, and I am absolutely looking forward to the DLC.
Confirmation bias is not the same thing as "evidence".kbct wrote...
Hsien wrote...
Well, before ME3 i have never complained or voted on a poll about video game endings. but ME3's ending just left such a bad taste that i finally had to voiced out my distaste for the inane ending.
How many of the million plus people who bought ME3 are dissatisfied like me? We will probably never know, but i am sure there are a fair number of people like me who were never dissatisfied by a game to the point of voicing it out online until ME3's ending.
The ending was a serious mistake, simply because of how good the rest of ME3 was.
I am going to reserve my judgement of the extended cut DLC until i see it and play it, but i really hope bioware can fix the ending issue well enough with their "clarification" and provide me with "closure" if they refuse to redo the entire catalyst nonsense.
Funny. Yes, evidence suggests you're in the majority.
kbct wrote...
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
I like the ending, and I am absolutely looking forward to the DLC.
That's nice. You didn't ask for the DLC but you got it anyway.
AJRimmsey wrote...
god forbid those who review bombed sites also vote bombed these "polls"
Modifié par TheJiveDJ, 16 avril 2012 - 03:39 .
HenchxNarf wrote...
No, it's not. It's been proven that BSN polls are rigged.
Regardless, polls aren't accurate.
TheJiveDJ wrote...
Um political opinion polls and census' are done using a MUCH smaller sample (2-5 thousand). The statistics derived from those polls are applied to the population of a state/province or even a country to accurately determine statistics of a populous. Most of the poll sample sizes I've seen number in the 10's of thousands of people. We can't be sure of how diverse the sample is, but calling it trivial or unreliable is simply illogical.
TheJiveDJ wrote...
Um political opinion polls and census' are done using a MUCH smaller sample (2-5 thousand). The statistics derived from those polls are applied to the population of a state/province or even a country to accurately determine statistics of a populous. Most of the poll sample sizes I've seen number in the 10's of thousands of people. We can't be sure of how diverse the sample is, but calling it trivial or unreliable is simply illogical.
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