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[AJRimmsey]

Ghost-621 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

CARL_DF90 wrote...

@ Ghost-621

Angry much?

i read his first paragraph and looked right at his sig,i wonder if hes connected to that in any way

then stopped reading as the spittle and bile was flying everywhere

Oh! A new bandwagon! Do tell me about this "spittle and bile!" 

If you're going to try to argue, do it well or not at all. 

and if you have a point to make try and do it in a way we dont need googles to read.

i pass you everyday on a street corner in town screaming about the gov and aliens and something about anal probing.

i miss most of the diatribe because your gobbing at everyone.

[Mylia Stenetch]

AlanC9 wrote...

jtrook wrote...

I think most are indifferent. Most people kind of have them in the middle. Not GREAT or GOD AWFUL but in between in defcon level EH

Probably. I'm a dues-paid member of Team Meh, myself. ME3's ending was pretty bad as Bio endings go, but it's nowhere near as bad as, say, KotOR2 or the NWN2 OC.

F.E.A.R 2 trumps all of those. That ending did bring vile and real full on anger when it ended.

[mauro2222]

Ghost-621 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Ghost, calm down a bit.

How cute. Interw3bs making people feel uneasy because they don't agree?

C'mon, if you're going to refute the post with actual proof of how flawed ME3 is, do it. I want to see how anyone could justify the terrible writing, really, do tell. 

I'm not refuting anything, in fact look at the thread of Sheoro, the one you quoted.
The only justification for this rushed game is lack of money, as Patrick Weekes said.

Just calm down a bit, you don't win anything by getting angry over blind people.

[nikola8]

The problem is that ME3 is too mainstreamed. I miss the good old days when I had to explain what "a Bioware" was to people. Perhaps this ending debate will thin out the ranks of Bioware fans to a more selective audience. I'll stick by Bioware, and I know that many people will, but I also know that many people are so upset about the ending that they are threatening to leave (however, from my experience in retail, upset customers swear they'll never come back only to return the very next day to make another purchase- we'll see if that is the case with ME3 and Bioware).

[Ghost-621]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

CARL_DF90 wrote...

@ Ghost-621

Angry much?

i read his first paragraph and looked right at his sig,i wonder if hes connected to that in any way

then stopped reading as the spittle and bile was flying everywhere

Oh! A new bandwagon! Do tell me about this "spittle and bile!" 

If you're going to try to argue, do it well or not at all. 

and if you have a point to make try and do it in a way we dont need googles to read.

i pass you everyday on a street corner in town screaming about the gov and aliens and something about anal probing.

i miss most of the diatribe because your gobbing at everyone.

But...the anal probing IS REAL! 

Jokes aside, you should stop before you dig your little hole any deeper. If you can't provide a legitimate argument, at least have enough sense to realize you're only making a fool of yourself. If you need goggles to read a big post, get your eyes checked.

[Peregrin25]

Vasarkian wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Well for one.. there isn't millions of fans who didn't like the ending, it wasn't even a quarter of a million. Many people are happy with ME3. So your argument is broken. If a few thousand get mad, move on, you can't force their hands and demand a company to do what you want.. you take it or leave it.

To be honest even BioWare has admitted that they realize the vocal minority on the forums represent a very large group of potentially hundreds of thousands. Their pr departments at least know something about proper statistical analysis.

So there's really no way to determine how many people actually are on our side and aren't.

Agreed, I think but am not 100% sure. I think it is like 1 out of every  6 people who agree with somthing will actually speak out the other 5 will stay neutral and or not say anything. Like you said vocal minority does infact speak for more than just the ones that are vocal about it.

[AJRimmsey]

Ghost-621 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

CARL_DF90 wrote...

@ Ghost-621

Angry much?

i read his first paragraph and looked right at his sig,i wonder if hes connected to that in any way

then stopped reading as the spittle and bile was flying everywhere

Oh! A new bandwagon! Do tell me about this "spittle and bile!" 

If you're going to try to argue, do it well or not at all. 

and if you have a point to make try and do it in a way we dont need googles to read.

i pass you everyday on a street corner in town screaming about the gov and aliens and something about anal probing.

i miss most of the diatribe because your gobbing at everyone.

But...the anal probing IS REAL! 

Jokes aside, you should stop before you dig your little hole any deeper. If you can't provide a legitimate argument, at least have enough sense to realize you're only making a fool of yourself. If you need goggles to read a big post, get your eyes checked.

if you want an arguement you are in the wrong place,its a discussion forum.

and when posting if you start the whole thing with angry screeching you shouldnt be surprised when its passed over as another bilious rant.

[tbb033]

Degs29 wrote...

I've been a fan of BW's since Jade Empire.

Noob!

[Silasqtx]

HenchxNarf wrote...
Polls aren't a valid source of numbers. Especially BSN polls.

If the ME3 dislikes were a minority HERE, on BSN, why did they win the poll? Multi-voting? Pro-enders can multi-vote too, btw.

It's not accurate, it's not perfect, but it's still 97% against a 3%.

[AJRimmsey]

Silasqtx wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...
Polls aren't a valid source of numbers. Especially BSN polls.

If the ME3 dislikes were a minority HERE, on BSN, why did they win the poll? Multi-voting? Pro-enders can multi-vote too, btw.

It's not accurate, it's not perfect, but it's still 97% against a 3%.

:lol::lol:

[kbct]

AlanC9 wrote...

kbct wrote...
With a random sample, you only need about 750 people to predict the population of 10 million with a margin of error around 3-5%

People want to assume that a self-selected sample of ME3 owners has zero correlation with the population of ME3 owners. The BSN sample is huge, very lopsided, and there is confirming evidence everywhere you look.

Not zero. Unknown.

It's not unknown. We can at least say it is a positive correlation.

I'm still waiting to see one piece of evidence that suggested that majority who experienced the ending, liked it.

Do you guys have anything ME3 related? Or does the absense of evidence that people liked the ending make your case?

Modifié par kbct, 16 avril 2012 - 01:02 .

[Hussain_2012]

I am dissatisified with the ending but that does not mean everyone else is not happy with the ending, my bra; for instance; he is pure Multiplayer guy , so he doesn't care about the game ending because he's not playing mass effect 3 for its story, he plays for MP and he is very satisified .

[Vasarkian]

Hussain_2012 wrote...

I am dissatisified with the ending but that does not mean everyone else is not happy with the ending, my bra; for instance; he is pure Multiplayer guy , so he doesn't care about the game ending because he's not playing mass effect 3 for its story, he plays for MP and he is very satisified .

Yeah and that is... that is an odd-one out, because MP was never the focus of ME.

[kbct]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

That's like kbct saying,

"Although we can't be certain, we can state with a high degree of certainty, based on hard evidence, that evolution exists as a natural force."

and then you saying,

"Although we can't be certain, we can state with a high degree of certainty, based on hard evidence, that God created man with his own two hands."


Except one of you has actual evidence that you can produce, and the other has jack-s***. You just repurposed his sentence out of context, and ignored the actual message.

as and his "evidence" was him simply saying the vast majority disliked the ending i did tend to doubt his "facts".

...

i prefer to see that he actually has not polled every man woman and child who played the game,and so dont believe a word of it.

You don't understand the purpose of statistics. The only way we'll know with certainity is to ask everyone. It absense of that, we can look at evidence to infer information about the population.

The more information that points to the same conclusion, the higher the degree of confidence.

You have statistical confidence when you say that the 2% of 72K voters that liked the ending as-is won't become 51% of the population of ME3 game owners who have experienced the ending. You can have a high degree of confidence when making that statement.

When you take my quote and change one word to say the opposite and don't support it with evidence, you look foolish.

Modifié par kbct, 16 avril 2012 - 01:12 .

[AkiKishi]

Bioware have been on thin ice since DA2 and it seems to get thinner with every release.Unless something changes, it's eventually going to crack.

Sure you can advertise your way to higher sales. But that costs money. Good word of mouth, which you can see if you look at DA:O's over time sales, that's free.

If you take $35 of the $60 price tag as the publishere share (might be lower it does vary). Then you need to sell around 30,0000 units per million spent on advertising.

[kbct]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...
Polls aren't a valid source of numbers. Especially BSN polls.

If the ME3 dislikes were a minority HERE, on BSN, why did they win the poll? Multi-voting? Pro-enders can multi-vote too, btw.

It's not accurate, it's not perfect, but it's still 97% against a 3%.

:lol::lol:

The poll is user-based, not IP address-based. Multipe votes may exist, but it is insignificant.

Does anyone want to prove me wrong? Try to flip this poll and make the majority not like ME2?

http://social.biowar...093/polls/1659/

C'mon, here is your chance to prove the polls can be manipulated.

The fact remains, all polls here point to the same thing. All polls around the world say the same thing. The majority who experienced the ending, didn't like the ending.

[Getorex]

Degs29 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Well for one.. there isn't millions of fans who didn't like the ending, it wasn't even a quarter of a million. Many people are happy with ME3. So your argument is broken. If a few thousand get mad, move on, you can't force their hands and demand a company to do what you want.. you take it or leave it.

Polls are showing that roughly 80 - 90% of fans found the endings lacking.  While polls usually capture the opinions of the most vocal, both sides are still represented in that regard.

Since ME3 sold 1.3 million copies in March alone, is it really outside the realm of possibilty that they reach 2 million?  Should I have said "a million" instead of millions?  Seems like your argument is a little trivial.

I will never demand something be done about the ME3 ending.  I'm asking for it fervently.

Polls here are self-selecting and will skew SOMEWHAT high.  That said, the ovewhelming negative reviews of the ending are an accurate sampling of overall feeling about the game and the ending.  You will likely be pretty damn safe in stating that the broad, general players who spent any real time with the previous games (and bought into the story and characters) will overwhelmingly have a negative take on the ending.  I'd estimate that the broader public would be likely around a 60:40 split, conservatively, on negative:positive on the ending.  

I haven't played a single ME game at all since my one and only ME3 playthrough.  Bioware ruined all of them for me.  I am not even now asking "fervently" that they change the ending.  I just don't give a flying f*ck anymore.  The game and series may not as well exist anymore as far as I'm concerned.

Thanks a lot Bioware.  F*cking morons.

[kbct]

We all know the user reviews on Amazon for ME3 are low. There are over 1800 reviews and the average score is 2.5 out of 5 stars. In comparison, ME2's average score is 4.5 out of 5 stars.

I wanted to look at what some of the 5 stars reviews were saying about the ending. Not the 1 star reviews, but the 5 star reviews - the ones that gave it the highest score possible. Here are the first ten that mention the ending (almost all mention the ending):



And without revealing anything about it, what you've heard is true. The ending doesn't make a single bit of sense to anyone who was even half paying attention.

To get it out of the way: it could have been better. Could have been worse, too.

Despite the ending being detrimental to the fiction of the series, The hundreds of hours of greatness leading up to literally the last 15 minutes of disappointment doesn't warrant a 1 star rating.

I do agree the ending is weak, but I can't throw out a 30 hour game because the last 10 minutes are sub-par.

I thought the ending fit the story they started to tell in Mass Effect 2.

The main reason people have been hating on Mass Effect 3: the ending isn't the well-worn "I came, I saw, I stomped ****" trope of video games where the hero rides off into the sunset (with optional bikini babe on his arm) for Happily Ever After. When I first confronted the ending, I had to set my controller down and just... think.

They have done an excellent job creating the Mass Effect universe and all the little underlying story details that makes it believable. That being said, allow me to join the chorus of the other fans, You just don't kill Shepard.

There has been much discussion about this game and its ending, and to be sure it could have been fleshed out a bit, but it isn't a bad ending by a long shot.

However, the ending is a tad confusing, and is far less than what it could have been.

Even though I wasn't a fan of the ending (granted I've only seen one of the many different possibilities)

Let me start out by saying yes, the ending was a huge disappoint and left me feeling empty.



The 1 star reviews outweigh the 5 star reviews by over a 2:1 margin on Amazon, yet even the 5 star reviews have problems with the ending.

Modifié par kbct, 16 avril 2012 - 01:36 .

[AkiKishi]

Getorex wrote...
I haven't played a single ME game at all since my one and only ME3 playthrough.  Bioware ruined all of them for me.  I am not even now asking "fervently" that they change the ending.  I just don't give a flying f*ck anymore.  The game and series may not as well exist anymore as far as I'm concerned.

Thanks a lot Bioware.  F*cking morons.

Shame they don't make crack really. That would have been a positive benifit.

[XxXSarenXxX]

Degs29 wrote...

I've been a fan of BW's since Jade Empire.  Usually I don't become attached to a developer, but take games one at a time.  But Bioware is different.  When I bought their games, I always knew they would be great.  Before ME3, I had never really been disappointed in any of their products.  Jade Empire was great.  Dragon Age was great, Mass Effect 1 and 2 were great.  I even liked Dragon Age 2 even though it had some flaws that really riled other fans.  Mass Effect 3 was on track to become my favourite Bioware game yet....

But I'm just one person.  Fans have reacted positively and negatively to other Bioware games before.  ME2 didn't have enough RPG elements to some.  Planet scanning was too time-consuming to others.  Dragon Age 2 recycled environments and didn't seem to have the depth of its predecessor, some said.  But no reaction has been as severe as the reaction over these endings.  So many are left feeling depressed, frustrated, upset, or just plain bewildered over ME3's ending.  As proud as Bioware should be for all its accomplishments, ME3 cannot be seen as an accomplishment until the ending is salvaged.

It just seems like the dominos are starting to fall.  First with DA2, then with what some consider a lackluster debut for TOR, and now with the controversy over the ME3 ending(s). 
Maybe some of the BW staff stand wholeheartedly behind their "vision", but I can't believe they all do.  Besides, when the fans overwhelming are devasted by the resolution you put forth, something must be seriously wrong.  A big problem requires a big fix.  But Bioware seems intent on applying a band-aid in place of stitches.  Or, perhaps more aptly, in place of performing a necessary amputation. 

Bioware's work has created possibly the most passionful and dedicated fanbase today.  That's a testament to their brilliance.

But BW's reputation has now been marred.  DA2, day 1 DLC, and the ME3 endings (and countless other less significant events) have all shaken the fans faith.  Something significant needs to be done to restore it.

What matters more? Staying true to your artistic vision? Or creating a work that millions of people will cherish and that will create a lasting impact on people worldwide?

Your move Bioware.

You sir!...  you are a blight!

Modifié par XxXSarenXxX, 16 avril 2012 - 01:39 .

[kalle90]

I'm starting to doubt that. I was just watching Youtube video of some blogger who has raged about Capcom time after time. Now in the latest video he said Resident Evil 6 looks great and he has already pre-ordered it hoping it will be great and a turning point for Capcom.

When people who openly rant about something change their direction on a whim I don't think Bioware is in trouble either.

[kbct]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

WILL YOU JOIN US SOON.... BROTHER?

I just saw your sig. Nice. Yes, will all the sparkly game titles under your avatar it's hard to consider you anything but an admiral of these forums. All my game medals are in my drawer.