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[Dartack]

Got to say, I like it. Everyone seems to gloss over the Deus Ex ending rip off.

[incinerator950]

Holmes came back from the dead because Doyle was receiving death threats from feedback. I don't see how this time is any improvement.

But yeah, first legitimate reason to listen to someone for not liking the ending, and from a dingo no less.

[pipemaster9000]

FirstCitizen800 wrote...

Lol, Charles Dickens and Sir Authur Conan Doyle are obviously hacks in comparison to (cough) and company. No doubt, people will be playing Mass Effect 100 years from now when those other two names are nothing but dust. Please pass the crack.

This, is funny. You are clearly under the influence of something to think people will play ME 100 years from now. Unless technology screeches to a halt and it is no different in 100 years than it is now.

Don't do drugs. Oh, and L2Troll.

Edited by pipemaster9000, 16 April 2012 - 05:46 AM.

[MegumiAzusa]

He misses the point of an impossible choice.

[Mesmurae]

Casey & Mac: 0
Your Literature Professor: 9001

[d1ta]

Nice post OP.. *made me miss my college days x_x wish I had a professor like yours.. X_x

[Necrotron]

Nice summary of many points people have been making, and I completely agree.

Edited by Bathaius, 16 April 2012 - 05:49 AM.

[Iakus]

Bigdoser wrote...
Trust me people in the future will be using me3 ending's as an example of what not to do when writing a story or developing a game. Its sad but I personally think this is going to happen. 

It will be worse than just a bad ending; it will be a betrayal of gaming, held up as a monster in a cautionary tale 

[Mesmurae]

Everyone should copy or print the original post and send it to BioWare. It would be lulzy.

[Greed1914]

Made Nightwing wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

He's an entitled whiner who doesn't get it.

He also had something to say about that.

"If I go to a concert, and pay top dollar to be entertained by the beautiful music of the orchestra therein, why would I be called a whiner when at the very end the musicians throw away their instruments and start playing death metal? Am I not entitled to expect the end to the concert to be what I have paid for?"

Personally, if I was in the analogy described I'd probably be pleased since I like orchestral music and am a huge death metal fan, but that's just me.

[Zix13]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

He misses the point of an impossible choice.

I think you missed the point of Shepards existance. 

[pipemaster9000]

Still people in here that support the current ending, regardless of the obvious plot holes and lore contradictions.

[Mesmurae]

pipemaster9000 wrote...

Still people in here that support the current ending, regardless of the obvious plot holes and lore contradictions.

Every village needs an idiot.

[incinerator950]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

He misses the point of an impossible choice.

A lot of people do, but the point he raised actually makes sense, and I for one stopped playing ME years ago just for the story or character. 

[UnstableMongoose]

ShepnTali wrote...

UnstableMongoose wrote...

Saying that ME1 wasn't rushed is absolutely hilarious, and the insinuation that EA stole BioWare's integrity is somewhat...problematic in terms of presentation. Can't say I agree with your lit professor.

What's your counter on his take on the theme shift, his main point?

I would counter that no thematic shift occurred. Everything that happened was foreshadowed.

[Dartack]

Mesmurae wrote...

pipemaster9000 wrote...

Still people in here that support the current ending, regardless of the obvious plot holes and lore contradictions.

Every village needs an idiot.

to true

[Strange Aeons]

What, you mean all the great heroic tales don't end with the hero abandoning his principles and surrendering to the perverse logic of the arch-villain?

[RaenImrahl]

There is no need to label people as "idiots" (of the village variety or otherwise).

Edited by RaenImrahl, 16 April 2012 - 05:58 AM.

[FatalX7.0]

Vorodill wrote...

Your professor has no right to say that. Mass Effect story is Bioware's property and they can do whatever they like with it. You guys don't have to like it, but it is what it is. You still want to whine about it? They are even giving you an ending DLC because your brains couldn't understand the end of the game. I'm tired of people like you. Close your web browser and move on.

And most importantly... nah, forget what I just said. I just read what I wrote and it looks like sh**. Don't stop criticizing the game! After all, they listen to your feedback!

This post is redonkulous.

Edited by FatalX7.0, 16 April 2012 - 06:00 AM.

[daecath]

Just once, I would like to hear someone from BioWare DIRECTLY defend against these kinds of arguments. Not just throw out "artistic vision" as if it were some kind of divine edict that must not be touched. I want to hear them explain just what that vision is, how it fits into the themes from the rest of the game, and why they used the Totally Utterly Ridiculous Deus ex machina.

And if they can't, then we kindly suggest that they stop working on the "clarification" DLC - because it will be obvious that they won't be able to clarify it if they can't even explain it - and start working on a real ending.

[Bill Casey]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

He misses the point of an impossible choice.

So did Bioware...

[ZiegenkonigIII]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Vorodill wrote...

Your professor has no right to say that. Mass Effect story is Bioware's property and they can do whatever they like with it. You guys don't have to like it, but it is what it is. You still want to whine about it? They are even giving you an ending DLC because your brains couldn't understand the end of the game. I'm tired of people like you. Close your web browser and move on.

And most importantly... nah, forget what I just said. I just read what I wrote and it looks like sh**. Don't stop criticizing the game! After all, they listen to your feedback!

This post is redonkulous.

It confused me, perhaps because I am tired.

[CroGamer002]

Now that's an awesome professor.

[Mesmurae]

daecath wrote...

Just once, I would like to hear someone from BioWare DIRECTLY defend against these kinds of arguments. Not just throw out "artistic vision" as if it were some kind of divine edict that must not be touched. I want to hear them explain just what that vision is, how it fits into the themes from the rest of the game, and why they used the Totally Utterly Ridiculous Deus ex machina.

And if they can't, then we kindly suggest that they stop working on the "clarification" DLC - because it will be obvious that they won't be able to clarify it if they can't even explain it - and start working on a real ending.

You'll never get anyone from BioWare to give a real answer to these questions. All they know how to do is repeat 'Artistic Integrity' and point to the 75 review scores that EA paid for.

[incinerator950]

Mesmurae wrote...

daecath wrote...

Just once, I would like to hear someone from BioWare DIRECTLY defend against these kinds of arguments. Not just throw out "artistic vision" as if it were some kind of divine edict that must not be touched. I want to hear them explain just what that vision is, how it fits into the themes from the rest of the game, and why they used the Totally Utterly Ridiculous Deus ex machina.

And if they can't, then we kindly suggest that they stop working on the "clarification" DLC - because it will be obvious that they won't be able to clarify it if they can't even explain it - and start working on a real ending.

You'll never get anyone from BioWare to give a real answer to these questions. All they know how to do is repeat 'Artistic Integrity' and point to the 75 review scores that EA paid for.

It's not their job to.  Be thankful Bioware takes the time to pretend or actually talk back with people.  Most game companies for years were silent, in the dark. 

I've played with Dev teams from both Section 8 and Dead Space, there are limits to what they're allowed to say, and how much they can give away.

Also, Dev teams suck at playing their own games, I don't know why this is the case.