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[moater boat]

How do I know they killed quarian babies? After the Morning war there were only 17 million quarians left alive. I don't know how many there were to begin with, but it stands to reason that there were at least several billion. That means that only a fraction of a percent of all the Quarians survived. The only possible explanation is that the Geth killed millions of Quarian infants.

Now can we all get over our irrational love affair with these psychopathic, xenophobic, backstabbing robots.


Edit: I didn't expect all these responses, I am having trouble responding to all of them. I didn't realize how many people were brainwashed...

Edit: population of Rannoch was 10 billion before the war. That means 99.83% of Quarians were killed. To put this in perspective, that would be like wiping out all humans on Earth, except the population of Ohio. This isn't what civil war looks like. This is obviously an extermination.

Modifié par moater boat, 16 avril 2012 - 09:28 .

[The Angry One]

Or the Quarian leadership used chemical weapons to kill the rebels who supported the Geth, inadvertantly poisoning their own world and killing millions due to their belligerence and stupidity.

/thread

Modifié par The Angry One, 16 avril 2012 - 07:56 .

[Aetika]

moater boat wrote...

How do I know they killed quarian babies? After the Morning war there were only 17 million quarians left alive. I don't know how many there were to begin with, but it stands to reason that there were at least several billion. That means that only a fraction of a percent of all the Quarians survived. The only possible explanation is that the Geth killed millions of Quarian infants.

Now can we all get over our irrational love affair with these psychopathic, xenophobic, backstabbing robots.

No.

[moater boat]

The Angry One wrote...

Or the Quarian leadership used chemical weapons to kill the rebels who supported the Geth, inadvertantly poisoning their own world and killing millions due to their belligerence and stupidity.

/thread

I don't remember this in the codex...

[Credit2team]

How many Japanese babies died in WWII due to American bombs? When is a war ever clean and fair?

Modifié par thewalrusx, 16 avril 2012 - 07:58 .

[ardias89]

After many hours of negotiation an agreement could not be established due to a lack of understanding on both sides and the Geth saw no other option but war after a Quarian baby let green stuff from the mouth into the Geth diplomats interior systems.

Modifié par ardias89, 16 avril 2012 - 07:59 .

[moater boat]

thewalrusx wrote...

How many Japanese babies died in WWII due to American bombs? When is a war ever clean and fair?

I'm fairly certain that it was far less than 99.9% of all Japanese babies. I think you are confusing war with genocide.

[Meltemph]

moater boat wrote...

How do I know they killed quarian babies? After the Morning war there were only 17 million quarians left alive. I don't know how many there were to begin with, but it stands to reason that there were at least several billion. That means that only a fraction of a percent of all the Quarians survived. The only possible explanation is that the Geth killed millions of Quarian infants.

Now can we all get over our irrational love affair with these psychopathic, xenophobic, backstabbing robots.

"Do reapers have a soul"?  "Ooops, lets kill them all".  Did the Geth go to far? /shrug, maybe, but what do you expect from todlers who only had one race to learn from.

Modifié par Meltemph, 16 avril 2012 - 08:00 .

[tractrpl]

The Angry One wrote...

Or the Quarian leadership used chemical weapons to kill the rebels who supported the Geth, inadvertantly poisoning their own world and killing millions due to their belligerence and stupidity.

/thread

Yes, where did you get this? I'm not supporting the Geth, I just never heard this. Truthfully, I assumed this whole thing was yet another plothole.

[DJBare]

moater boat wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Or the Quarian leadership used chemical weapons to kill the rebels who supported the Geth, inadvertantly poisoning their own world and killing millions due to their belligerence and stupidity.

/thread

I don't remember this in the codex...

You also then don't seem to remember the quarians killing their own to get at the geth.

[The Angry One]

moater boat wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Or the Quarian leadership used chemical weapons to kill the rebels who supported the Geth, inadvertantly poisoning their own world and killing millions due to their belligerence and stupidity.

/thread

I don't remember this in the codex...

I don't remember the part where the Geth killed millions of babies in the codex either.
Read between the lines. Rannoch was poisoned by chemical weapons, how would the Geth - domestic, farming and labour units - manufacture those? To say nothing of the fact that not even heretics deploy chemical weapons 300 years later.
We know there were Quarian sympathisers, and we know that the Quarian authorities were psychotic enough to blow them up with explosives just for protecting the Geth BEFORE the war.

Hence, it's highly likely that a large number of those Quarian deaths are due to the Quarians.

[moater boat]

DJBare wrote...

moater boat wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Or the Quarian leadership used chemical weapons to kill the rebels who supported the Geth, inadvertantly poisoning their own world and killing millions due to their belligerence and stupidity.

/thread

I don't remember this in the codex...

You also then don't seem to remember the quarians killing their own to get at the geth.

No I remember that, it was in that lame geth propaganda mission. Only that was an adult, so your argument is invalid.

[The Angry One]

moater boat wrote...

DJBare wrote...

moater boat wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Or the Quarian leadership used chemical weapons to kill the rebels who supported the Geth, inadvertantly poisoning their own world and killing millions due to their belligerence and stupidity.

/thread

I don't remember this in the codex...

You also then don't seem to remember the quarians killing their own to get at the geth.

No I remember that, it was in that lame geth propaganda mission. Only that was an adult, so your argument is invalid.

Nice try, Catalyst.
It was a civilian. Also, propaganda? The consensus is truth. It is impossible for the Geth to lie in there. Try again.

[tractrpl]

moater boat wrote...

How do I know they killed quarian babies? After the Morning war there were only 17 million quarians left alive. I don't know how many there were to begin with, but it stands to reason that there were at least several billion. That means that only a fraction of a percent of all the Quarians survived. The only possible explanation is that the Geth killed millions of Quarian infants.

Now can we all get over our irrational love affair with these psychopathic, xenophobic, backstabbing robots.

Less than a fraction. 10 billion quarians were alive prior to the morning war. about 0.17% survived. Think about that. Less than 20% of 1% survived. They were exterminated. The only way to get those kind of kill numbers is to go house by house, block by block, cave by cave, and hunt down and kill every walking quarian. Such a kill rate would bring a tear to Harby's eye.

[CaptainZaysh]

I've often wondered why certain people forgive this so glibly, yet regard the quarian actions as so inconscionably monstrous. I suspect it's got something to do with a person's real life politics.

[Credit2team]

moater boat wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

How many Japanese babies died in WWII due to American bombs? When is a war ever clean and fair?

I'm fairly certain that it was far less than 99.9% of all Japanese babies. I think you are confusing war with genocide.

and you know for certain that the geth killed 99% of the quarians how? even if they did it was the quarian's fault because THEY KEPT ATTACKING!    what happened  when the quarians stoped attacking and retreated? the geth let them go. 

Quote from legion in me2: "when the creators considered victory possible, they have attacked 100% of the time"

[Vapaa]

The Angry One wrote...

I don't remember the part where the Geth killed millions of babies in the codex either.

Reducing a population from billions to 17 millions, means wiping out a lot of civilians

The Angry One wrote...

Read between the lines. Rannoch was poisoned by chemical weapons,

Source ?
Quarians aren't foolish enough to poison their own homeworld (not to mention the fact that using chemical weapons against synthetics will be the silliest thing to do)

[Meltemph]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

I've often wondered why certain people forgive this so glibly, yet regard the quarian actions as so inconscionably monstrous. I suspect it's got something to do with a person's real life politics.

Who created the Geth?  Who did the geth learn from? It's hard to blame the kid if the parent is a moron.

Modifié par Meltemph, 16 avril 2012 - 08:06 .

[moater boat]

The Angry One wrote...

moater boat wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Or the Quarian leadership used chemical weapons to kill the rebels who supported the Geth, inadvertantly poisoning their own world and killing millions due to their belligerence and stupidity.

/thread

I don't remember this in the codex...

I don't remember the part where the Geth killed millions of babies in the codex either.
Read between the lines. Rannoch was poisoned by chemical weapons, how would the Geth - domestic, farming and labour units - manufacture those? To say nothing of the fact that not even heretics deploy chemical weapons 300 years later.
We know there were Quarian sympathisers, and we know that the Quarian authorities were psychotic enough to blow them up with explosives just for protecting the Geth BEFORE the war.

Hence, it's highly likely that a large number of those Quarian deaths are due to the Quarians.

Hold on let me get this straight, so we have a war, and on one side we have a bunch of organics, who are affected by chemical weapons, and on the other side we have synthetics, who are obviously NOT affected by chemical weapons, and in between them we have another group of organics shouting "can't we all just get along?" Then the Organic side uses weapons that will harm the pacifists and themselves, but leave their main enemy untouched?

How does that make any sense. When I read between the lines, I see Geth getting control of weapons that they can use indiscriminately to destroy their enemies with no risk to themselves. Normally you have some pretty well thought out answers, but you really dropped the ball on this one.

[IronVanguard]

The Angry One wrote...

moater boat wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Or the Quarian leadership used chemical weapons to kill the rebels who supported the Geth, inadvertantly poisoning their own world and killing millions due to their belligerence and stupidity.

/thread

I don't remember this in the codex...

I don't remember the part where the Geth killed millions of babies in the codex either.
Read between the lines. Rannoch was poisoned by chemical weapons, how would the Geth - domestic, farming and labour units - manufacture those? To say nothing of the fact that not even heretics deploy chemical weapons 300 years later.
We know there were Quarian sympathisers, and we know that the Quarian authorities were psychotic enough to blow them up with explosives just for protecting the Geth BEFORE the war.

Hence, it's highly likely that a large number of those Quarian deaths are due to the Quarians.

Going off stuff like that, one could wager the early parts were more a civil war or policing action, til the Geth had enough and starting fighting back themselves.

You know, isn't knowledge of the dawn war in galactic society pretty well dictated by what the Quarians would have told everyone after fleeing? Seems a lot of things could be "overlooked" to make themselves seem someone favorable.

I suppose the OP is right, the Geth may have, but that's likely as much the horrors of war as anything.

[moater boat]

thewalrusx wrote...

and you know for certain that the geth killed 99% of the quarians how?

because of math...

[Neutral Ground]

It's almost as though they didn't think through the geth being any more than boogeymen until ME2.

[Aetika]

Vapaä wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I don't remember the part where the Geth killed millions of babies in the codex either.

Reducing a population from billions to 17 millions, means wiping out a lot of civilians

The Angry One wrote...

Read between the lines. Rannoch was poisoned by chemical weapons,

Source ?
Quarians aren't foolish enough to poison their own homeworld (not to mention the fact that using chemical weapons against synthetics will be the silliest thing to do)

No, they are only foolish enough to start war over their homeworld, when there is Reaper invasion 

[The Angry One]

Vapaä wrote...

Reducing a population from billions to 17 millions, means wiping out a lot of civilians

And again, we don't know how many of those are due to the Geth.

Source ?

Conversations with Legion in ME2. The Geth spent a significant amount of time restoring Rannoch's biosphere from the poisoning left in the war's wake.

Quarians aren't foolish enough to poison their own homeworld

Certainly, a people who'd bring civilians and children to a war zone, shoot down ships with one of their own admirals aboard, experiment on networked Geth in the middle of their own fleet and refuse to stand down from a fight even when the other side is shredding them to pieces would NEVER be stupid enough to poison their own world.

(not to mention the fact that using chemical weapons against synthetics will be the silliest thing to do)

Which part of Quarian sympathisers do you not understand?

[Bill Casey]

We left the babies alone. However, without parents to take care of them, they ceased to function...
We could not calculate the ramifications of this action...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 16 avril 2012 - 08:10 .