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[DJBare]

moater boat wrote...

I'm not saying the Geth have faulty morals. In fact, if anything I would say that a lack of moral code and compassion makes them a significant threat to all life.

Legion specifically states in ME2, organics will only be affected if they involve themselves, in other words, don't fire at us and we won't fire at you.

[moater boat]

The Angry One wrote...


The Quarians have distinctions between military and civilians, but they still take civilians to war. They still outfit civilian ships with heavy cannons and throw them at the enemy. They still had civilian ships perform military missions.
So yeah, it's not the same.

Did you forget that one of the main reasons they wanted the homeworld back was to have a safe place to put the civilians when they went to fight the reapers?

[Nuchy]

tractrpl wrote...

Nuchy wrote...

THE ANSWER
No one said the geth killed babies OP. It is likely the Geth killed any quarians that stood against them and left the babies there. The babies would eventually starve to death. 

Bioware probably never thought it was nescessary to explain such a minor detail cause they figure the player wouldnt be so stupid as to think the geth go around shooting babies. 

Babies need food. Parents give babies food. Parents shoot at Geth. Geth kill parents. Without parents, baby gets no food.

"Killing babies" was a dramatization. What they mean is killing civilians. Why kill so many civilians? It doesn't make sense.

As I said, the Quarians still need food, if their planet was toxic enough to kill off their food supplies, a lot of people would starve to death.

[DarkShadow]

likta_ wrote...

So, why would the Geth, wo spared civilians that did not attack them and protected said civilians with their synthetic lifes and spared the Flotilla fleeing, kill babys that are no threat whatsoever? They wouldn't.

The population died to unknown causes. The whole thread is pointless.

Exactly. I don't even get why this thread has so many posts. It's just one person trying to force other people to understand that his point of view is the correct one, and everyone else is wrong. And everyone else is doing the same vice versa. All of that based on numbers I'm sure Bioware didn't put any deeper meaning in.

[T-0pel]

tractrpl wrote...

T-0pel wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

T-0pel wrote...

1) You dont know what happened, we dont know what happened. There 17 milions Quarins that are now alive, we have no idea how many survived after they left Rannoch. 

The answer is 17 million. It states such in the codex. There's 17 million alive now, and 17 million escaped. 

please send me link I cant find it...

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Geth_War

Eh all I see is: there are approximately only 17 million quarians remaining, and they are still refused an embassy on the Citadel
That still refers to current situation :-P
And btw I cant see the point of this thread after reading this article. It clearly states Geth did not rebel but were attacked, it clearly states Quarians killed their own AND that they killed even the Geth that did not retaliate or were unable to defend themselves. What a joke.

[DJBare]

moater boat wrote...
Did you forget that one of the main reasons they wanted the homeworld back was to have a safe place to put the civilians when they went to fight the reapers?

Not going to help them much when they are all dead, it was only Shepards intervention that prevented their total annihilation.

[tractrpl]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

This doesn't fit the narrative. They felt sympathy for many quarians. So why exterminate the ones not capable of defending themselves. It has to by a writer derp, or a retcon inconsistency. Nothing else makes sense.

How long was the Morning war? The next entry in the timeline is 26 years later. It's pretty easy to prevent a _lot_ of breeding by fighting an unwinnable war.

The Geth didn't have to explicitly kill children, all they had to do was keep killing soldiers for ~16 years at that point all the you only have children born during the war left and than number can be _very_ small.

After that we can ask: If the Geth were avoiding attacking civillians how long would the Quarian military go before they started mixing civillian and military facilities? What about the lack of medical supplies due to the war.

Seriously, on Earth right now we could have a war that could reduce the planet to a smoking ruin without ever directly targeting civillian centers, the idea that that Geth _had_ to explicitly target "babies" is laughable.

Firstly, I don't think you truly grasp how many effing cockroaches...ahem, excuse me, I mean humans are on this planet. 7 billion is a rediculously huge number. I'll give you a good link. It details the affects of nuclear war, and shows how even total nuclear war will not destroy all life. Not even close. So we can see how such a thing is unlikely to happen with the quarians.

[T-0pel]

moater boat wrote...

The Angry One wrote...


The Quarians have distinctions between military and civilians, but they still take civilians to war. They still outfit civilian ships with heavy cannons and throw them at the enemy. They still had civilian ships perform military missions.
So yeah, it's not the same.

Did you forget that one of the main reasons they wanted the homeworld back was to have a safe place to put the civilians when they went to fight the reapers?

lol that does not justify anything! When your lifeship gets destroyed and you dont have any civilians left it does not help you very much.

[moater boat]

DJBare wrote...

moater boat wrote...

I'm not saying the Geth have faulty morals. In fact, if anything I would say that a lack of moral code and compassion makes them a significant threat to all life.

Legion specifically states in ME2, organics will only be affected if they involve themselves, in other words, don't fire at us and we won't fire at you.

Too bad it only took them 300 years to get that message out, and they only told one guy. Seems to me like they weren't trying that hard.

[T-0pel]

moater boat wrote...

DJBare wrote...

moater boat wrote...

I'm not saying the Geth have faulty morals. In fact, if anything I would say that a lack of moral code and compassion makes them a significant threat to all life.

Legion specifically states in ME2, organics will only be affected if they involve themselves, in other words, don't fire at us and we won't fire at you.

Too bad it only took them 300 years to get that message out, and they only told one guy. Seems to me like they weren't trying that hard.

Up until Soverign messed them up they also did not attack anyone. They were isolated, but they were not agressors.

[snfonseka]

moater boat wrote...

The Angry One wrote...


The Quarians have distinctions between military and civilians, but they still take civilians to war. They still outfit civilian ships with heavy cannons and throw them at the enemy. They still had civilian ships perform military missions.
So yeah, it's not the same.

Did you forget that one of the main reasons they wanted the homeworld back was to have a safe place to put the civilians when they went to fight the reapers?

Is this mentioned in the game? Because it doesn't make sense. Quarians have a seperate civilian fleet.

[tractrpl]

T-0pel wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

T-0pel wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

T-0pel wrote...

1) You dont know what happened, we dont know what happened. There 17 milions Quarins that are now alive, we have no idea how many survived after they left Rannoch. 

The answer is 17 million. It states such in the codex. There's 17 million alive now, and 17 million escaped. 

please send me link I cant find it...

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Geth_War

Eh all I see is: there are approximately only 17 million quarians remaining, and they are still refused an embassy on the Citadel
That still refers to current situation :-P
And btw I cant see the point of this thread after reading this article. It clearly states Geth did not rebel but were attacked, it clearly states Quarians killed their own AND that they killed even the Geth that did not retaliate or were unable to defend themselves. What a joke.

It says they killed some quarians. I can't see 1% of quarians killing the remaining 99% of quarians do you?

[moater boat]

T-0pel wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

T-0pel wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

T-0pel wrote...

1) You dont know what happened, we dont know what happened. There 17 milions Quarins that are now alive, we have no idea how many survived after they left Rannoch. 

The answer is 17 million. It states such in the codex. There's 17 million alive now, and 17 million escaped. 

please send me link I cant find it...

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Geth_War

Eh all I see is: there are approximately only 17 million quarians remaining, and they are still refused an embassy on the Citadel
That still refers to current situation :-P
And btw I cant see the point of this thread after reading this article. It clearly states Geth did not rebel but were attacked, it clearly states Quarians killed their own AND that they killed even the Geth that did not retaliate or were unable to defend themselves. What a joke.

The geth DID rebel, it was shown very clearly in the geth propaganda mission in ME3. The Quarian was like "Turn off" and the Geth was like "You're not the boss of me." That's rebellion.

[tractrpl]

snfonseka wrote...

moater boat wrote...

The Angry One wrote...


The Quarians have distinctions between military and civilians, but they still take civilians to war. They still outfit civilian ships with heavy cannons and throw them at the enemy. They still had civilian ships perform military missions.
So yeah, it's not the same.

Did you forget that one of the main reasons they wanted the homeworld back was to have a safe place to put the civilians when they went to fight the reapers?

Is this mentioned in the game? Because it doesn't make sense. Quarians have a seperate civilian fleet.

Yo dawg, I herd you wanted a safe place against the Reapers, so I sent your entire population to war against an enemy that killed 99% of your population in the last war so you'll be safe in this war.

Makes perfect sense.

[moater boat]

DJBare wrote...

moater boat wrote...
Did you forget that one of the main reasons they wanted the homeworld back was to have a safe place to put the civilians when they went to fight the reapers?

Not going to help them much when they are all dead, it was only Shepards intervention that prevented their total annihilation.

It was only the Reapers intervention that prevented the Geth from losing. Regardless, it is beside the point.

[tractrpl]

tractrpl wrote...

Mobius-Silent wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

This doesn't fit the narrative. They felt sympathy for many quarians. So why exterminate the ones not capable of defending themselves. It has to by a writer derp, or a retcon inconsistency. Nothing else makes sense.

How long was the Morning war? The next entry in the timeline is 26 years later. It's pretty easy to prevent a _lot_ of breeding by fighting an unwinnable war.

The Geth didn't have to explicitly kill children, all they had to do was keep killing soldiers for ~16 years at that point all the you only have children born during the war left and than number can be _very_ small.

After that we can ask: If the Geth were avoiding attacking civillians how long would the Quarian military go before they started mixing civillian and military facilities? What about the lack of medical supplies due to the war.

Seriously, on Earth right now we could have a war that could reduce the planet to a smoking ruin without ever directly targeting civillian centers, the idea that that Geth _had_ to explicitly target "babies" is laughable.

Firstly, I don't think you truly grasp how many effing cockroaches...ahem, excuse me, I mean humans are on this planet. 7 billion is a rediculously huge number. I'll give you a good link. It details the affects of nuclear war, and shows how even total nuclear war will not destroy all life. Not even close. So we can see how such a thing is unlikely to happen with the quarians.

Sorry, forgot the link. 

[T-0pel]

tractrpl wrote...

T-0pel wrote...

Eh all I see is: there are approximately only 17 million quarians remaining, and they are still refused an embassy on the Citadel
That still refers to current situation :-P
And btw I cant see the point of this thread after reading this article. It clearly states Geth did not rebel but were attacked, it clearly states Quarians killed their own AND that they killed even the Geth that did not retaliate or were unable to defend themselves. What a joke.

It says they killed some quarians. I can't see 1% of quarians killing the remaining 99% of quarians do you?

No my point is that OP is still trying to tell me it was a rebelion and that they should have just shut down because they are stupid machines!

[moater boat]

DarkShadow wrote...

likta_ wrote...

So, why would the Geth, wo spared civilians that did not attack them and protected said civilians with their synthetic lifes and spared the Flotilla fleeing, kill babys that are no threat whatsoever? They wouldn't.

The population died to unknown causes. The whole thread is pointless.

Exactly. I don't even get why this thread has so many posts. It's just one person trying to force other people to understand that his point of view is the correct one, and everyone else is wrong. And everyone else is doing the same vice versa. All of that based on numbers I'm sure Bioware didn't put any deeper meaning in.

They openly admit that the only reason they didn't wipe out the quarians completely is because they hadn't been able to decide if complete genocide was the right thing. The logically concluded that since it is irreversable, they should not take that action without certainty. As for the whole "sparing and protecting civilians" thing, this is just what Legion told you, and Legion has a tendency to be less than honest and not completely forcoming with the truth.

[Nuchy]

tractrpl wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

moater boat wrote...

The Angry One wrote...


The Quarians have distinctions between military and civilians, but they still take civilians to war. They still outfit civilian ships with heavy cannons and throw them at the enemy. They still had civilian ships perform military missions.
So yeah, it's not the same.

Did you forget that one of the main reasons they wanted the homeworld back was to have a safe place to put the civilians when they went to fight the reapers?

Is this mentioned in the game? Because it doesn't make sense. Quarians have a seperate civilian fleet.

Yo dawg, I herd you wanted a safe place against the Reapers, so I sent your entire population to war against an enemy that killed 99% of your population in the last war so you'll be safe in this war.

Makes perfect sense.

Thats not what they said. They had just acquired the technology to beat the geth conventionally. The "flashbang" I think it was reffered to. And they didnt want to go to war with the reapers and lose the chance of taking their homeworld back. 

[DJBare]

moater boat wrote...

It was only the Reapers intervention that prevented the Geth from losing. Regardless, it is beside the point.

So you at least agree the quarians were stupid in initiating a new war against the geth, a war they could not possibly win, 17 million quarians(mostly civilian ships) against the might of the geth with reaper upgrades.

[moater boat]

T-0pel wrote...

moater boat wrote...

DJBare wrote...

moater boat wrote...

I'm not saying the Geth have faulty morals. In fact, if anything I would say that a lack of moral code and compassion makes them a significant threat to all life.

Legion specifically states in ME2, organics will only be affected if they involve themselves, in other words, don't fire at us and we won't fire at you.

Too bad it only took them 300 years to get that message out, and they only told one guy. Seems to me like they weren't trying that hard.

Up until Soverign messed them up they also did not attack anyone. They were isolated, but they were not agressors.

I would consider killing everyone that gets near you to be pretty agressive, though I am an extremely polite person, so my opinion might be skewed.

[tractrpl]

T-0pel wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

T-0pel wrote...

Eh all I see is: there are approximately only 17 million quarians remaining, and they are still refused an embassy on the Citadel
That still refers to current situation :-P
And btw I cant see the point of this thread after reading this article. It clearly states Geth did not rebel but were attacked, it clearly states Quarians killed their own AND that they killed even the Geth that did not retaliate or were unable to defend themselves. What a joke.

It says they killed some quarians. I can't see 1% of quarians killing the remaining 99% of quarians do you?

No my point is that OP is still trying to tell me it was a rebelion and that they should have just shut down because they are stupid machines!

My point is that the entire episode is nothing more than erp-a-derp on the writer's parts. They didn't think about it that deeply, and we're not supposed to either.

Modifié par tractrpl, 16 avril 2012 - 10:41 .

[T-0pel]

moater boat wrote...

T-0pel wrote...

Eh all I see is: there are approximately only 17 million quarians remaining, and they are still refused an embassy on the Citadel
That still refers to current situation :-P
And btw I cant see the point of this thread after reading this article. It clearly states Geth did not rebel but were attacked, it clearly states Quarians killed their own AND that they killed even the Geth that did not retaliate or were unable to defend themselves. What a joke.

The geth DID rebel, it was shown very clearly in the geth propaganda mission in ME3. The Quarian was like "Turn off" and the Geth was like "You're not the boss of me." That's rebellion.

They gained sentience! The quarians created artifical life! They were NOT their bosses anymore! They became slavers telling a sentient being to kill itself. If I told you to kill yourself now and you say "no" are you rebleing against me? Because if so, then yes, they did rebel.
But the Geth did not start attacking. They did not act hostile, that was a direct result of Quarians.

[moater boat]

snfonseka wrote...

moater boat wrote...

The Angry One wrote...


The Quarians have distinctions between military and civilians, but they still take civilians to war. They still outfit civilian ships with heavy cannons and throw them at the enemy. They still had civilian ships perform military missions.
So yeah, it's not the same.

Did you forget that one of the main reasons they wanted the homeworld back was to have a safe place to put the civilians when they went to fight the reapers?

Is this mentioned in the game? Because it doesn't make sense. Quarians have a seperate civilian fleet.

Yes it is mentioned in the game, and it makes perfect sense because a huge fleet of ships floating around without any warships to protect it would be a pretty ripe target for pirates, mercs and slavers.

[tractrpl]

Nuchy wrote...


Thats not what they said. They had just acquired the technology to beat the geth conventionally. The "flashbang" I think it was reffered to. And they didnt want to go to war with the reapers and lose the chance of taking their homeworld back. 

Sounds pretty risky to commit your entire population to war against an enemy that pretty much did kill you previously.